Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

It will be ineteresting to see how this plays out.

I can't see Putin really wanting to vary from his primary objective of wanting to help regain control of the country for the Assad govt to then work out a post war plan.

But he will not be a happy camper about this either. He is not targeting Turkey, just Syria and yes, they share a land border which at several hundred miles per hour is very easy to accidentally overshoot.

V.Putin about to make a press conference shortly. Toon into rt news my peps. This could go 2 ways.... Lol

Australian news reports Russia deny it entered
Turkey airspace

When I think of the allies of ISIL like Turkey and other gulf states I cant help but think of Russian nukes comming to a few middle eastern countries comming soon!

originally posted by: piney
Australian news reports Russia deny it entered
Turkey airspace

That's good, at least there spreading the truth. The g20 just happened ay, could this be staged ? Into war...

So we have Russia saying we did nothing wrong (which if true why not respond to warnings), and Turkey saying they did (which includes the 5 mile buffer zone).

I lean towards Russia doing it, but open to their side, we will find out eventually. If they did, them being shot down is nothing wrong.

originally posted by: Obi88
Rt news just reported the bomber never left Syrian airspace.As reported by the Russian defence ministry.

Yes, but... RT? Seriously.
They are going to stick to that story

Those damn Turks are out of control. They just can't support ISIS enough.

a reply to: payta

Like they reported the phantom Ukraine jet that show down MH-17.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
Turkey has long since claimed, and had recognized, a five mile buffer zone inside Syria. They have shot down Syrian aircraft within that airspace in the past.

The question is WHO recognizes that "Buffer zone" ?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
So we have Russia saying we did nothing wrong (which if true why not respond to warnings), and Turkey saying they did (which includes the 5 mile buffer zone).

I lean towards Russia doing it, but open to their side, we will find out eventually. If they did, them being shot down is nothing wrong.

Why would Turkey shoot it down ? They know the "world" is trying to defeat Isil, why shoot it down if it didn't threat Turkey ? And why arnt Turkey helping russia in the fight ? Ask yourself these questions.

originally posted by: payta

originally posted by: Obi88
Rt news just reported the bomber never left Syrian airspace.As reported by the Russian defence ministry.

Yes, but... RT? Seriously.
They are going to stick to that story

Come on man, rt shows #, and then confirmes later when the defence officals report. most of the time there on da money..

originally posted by: Obi88
Rt news just reported the bomber never left Syrian airspace.As reported by the Russian defence ministry.

Well they would claim that wouldn't they, just like they produced "evidence" that a Ukrainian fighter shot down that passenger plane when the whole damn world knew it was a Buk - and this was backed up by ALL physical evidence, witnesses, tech data.

I still don't have a horse in this particular race, either Russia or Turkey could be at fault here, but given the history of absolute bs Russia is known for I am not willing to blindly trust them.

Either way, this will not be WW3.
Russia will not want to retaliate against a NATO country (it will probably depend on what the Russian public mood is), and even if it did I doubt NATO would back up Turkey.

If (and it's a massive if) Russia strikes Turkey in response, it will be a single, limited strike on a strategic/symbolic target avoiding civilians. NATO will then be forced to hold one of their spectacularly wasteful meetings, and they will call Turkey to the table and likely give them discreet orders to keep out of this in the future.

All of our nations are distracted by a more important goal right now, none of them want to cause any kind of ruckus which could lead to something bigger than the fight against Da'esh.

Here's what will probably happen...

Russia will make a lot of noise, NATO will sit quietly watching what's happening. Turkey will concede something and make this out to be a misunderstanding. Turkey will hand back the Russian pilot/s in their care after top-notch shelter and food. Both parties will walk away with fake smiles.

originally posted by: Obi88

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
So we have Russia saying we did nothing wrong (which if true why not respond to warnings), and Turkey saying they did (which includes the 5 mile buffer zone).

I lean towards Russia doing it, but open to their side, we will find out eventually. If they did, them being shot down is nothing wrong.

Why would Turkey shoot it down ? They know the "world" is trying to defeat Isil, why shoot it down if it didn't threat Turkey ? And why arnt Turkey helping russia in the fight ? Ask yourself these questions.

If you violate airspace and do not respond to warnings you are a threat. End of story.

originally posted by: woogleuk
Turkey 'down Russian warplane on Syria border'


I believe Turkey should have shown some restraint, the planes would have been clearly of Russian design, and they know Russia is bombing ISIS at the moment.

I'm not saying this gives Russia the right to violate another countries airspace, but still....bad reaction on Turkey's part in my opinion.

Turkey has to protect its ally. Russian jet was probably stalking an ISIS convoy inbound from Turkey, hah.

BBC reporting that the plane was in Syrian airspace when shot down. From other sites I get that one of the pilot has been captured by Turkmen/rebels.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
When I think of the allies of ISIL like Turkey and other gulf states I cant help but think of Russian nukes comming to a few middle eastern countries comming soon!

Oh do give it a rest!
Every time Obama or Putin guff someone starts talking about "NUCLEAR WAR!!!!!!1111"

It's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I do wish fantasists would stop fapping over nuclear Armageddon in public like this, it's embarrassing.

Probably the best response I've heard and probably the most accurate

a reply to: Logman

Yep and now more people know about it. Haha you guys are forgetting about China

originally posted by: Obi88
Yep

and now more people know about it. Haha you guys are forgetting about China

China has no capacity to get involved in a war so far, they dont even have an aircraft carrier.