Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

originally posted by: woogleuk


I'm not saying this gives Russia the right to violate another countries airspace, but still....bad reaction on Turkey's part in my opinion.

They should have responded to communication attempts, they didn't.

Ho,y # guys , just saw this on RT NEWS. And was just talking to dad about if russia should make a move on Turkey to end ISIL .. And then Turkey does this!!!!!????? Oh man... It's on...

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Who the F is talking about yoga?

You (and clearly the Turkish military) need to look at the bigger picture and get..a..grip.

You are, when you equate violating airspace and ignoring warnings as "Political correctness". It's not. If they violated the airspace they should have answered the warnings. If someone violates Scottish Airspace, and ignores multiple warnings, what do you want your airforce to do? I know what I want mine to do.

When did I speak about yoga? Have you lost your mind? Stick to the topic!

We liaise with Russian jets almost bi-monthly that violate our airpspace we do not shoot them down!

Already explained, my mind is not the problem here, I think you understand perfectly well and want to play the fool because the alternative would be to admit you said something stupid.

Russian bombers test airspace, they come close to test the response. They do not violate it.

Test airspace or violate airspace? Do you understand the difference? I'll tell you, there isn't one.

I didn't say anything stupid and you tried to create a link between what I said, and yoga. I'm going to go with; you said something stupid.

If you think there is no difference you are a fool. One you come CLOSE to another nations airspace, but do not enter it, the other you actually enter it. One is fine, one is not.

originally posted by: angryhulk
Turkey isn't doing itself any favours here.

Turkey warned the pilot, they were absolutely right to defend its airspace.

Enough with the double standards here. Russia would do exactly the same thing if any fighter jet wandered into its airspace and we all know it. In fact, I doubt Russia would even warn the pilot before shooting it down.

And lets remember, this is the third or fourth time Russia has been warned about this. They've had plenty of warnings already and they acted like they own the skies.

If what has been reported is actually what happened, Russia has absolutely no right to be whining about this.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: woogleuk


I'm not saying this gives Russia the right to violate another countries airspace, but still....bad reaction on Turkey's part in my opinion.

They should have responded to communication attempts, they didn't.

Exactly. That is the bigger mistake than violating the airspace.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Who the F is talking about yoga?

You (and clearly the Turkish military) need to look at the bigger picture and get..a..grip.

You are, when you equate violating airspace and ignoring warnings as "Political correctness". It's not. If they violated the airspace they should have answered the warnings. If someone violates Scottish Airspace, and ignores multiple warnings, what do you want your airforce to do? I know what I want mine to do.

When did I speak about yoga? Have you lost your mind? Stick to the topic!

We liaise with Russian jets almost bi-monthly that violate our airpspace we do not shoot them down!

Already explained, my mind is not the problem here, I think you understand perfectly well and want to play the fool because the alternative would be to admit you said something stupid.

Russian bombers test airspace, they come close to test the response. They do not violate it.

Test airspace or violate airspace? Do you understand the difference? I'll tell you, there isn't one.

I didn't say anything stupid and you tried to create a link between what I said, and yoga. I'm going to go with; you said something stupid.

If you think there is no difference you are a fool. One you come CLOSE to another nations airspace, but do not enter it, the other you actually enter it. One is fine, one is not.

They do enter it, regularly.

originally posted by: Xarian6
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Listen close, Your NATO boys just done and messed up.

live with it and stop making excuses, it does you no service in such a crowd as this.

I'm being civil, but many other won't be.. this action was a grave mistake, don't defend it as the defense in light of the mission the jet was on is rather weak and suspect.

In short.. it's a rather paranoid and "indefensible" action by turkey, so don't be that guy...

If it was a Russian jet in Turkish airspace NOT RESPONDING to Turkish WARNINGS and requests of identification, your Russkies just realizes their su-24's are gonna have a hard time in the middle-east FULL of f15's and f16's?

originally posted by: angryhulk
They do enter it, regularly.

Oh really.

The MoD spokesman said similar incidents happened eight times during 2013, adding: "Russian military flights have never entered UK sovereign airspace without authorisation.

www.heraldscotland.com...

Thanks for playing.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: woogleuk


I'm not saying this gives Russia the right to violate another countries airspace, but still....bad reaction on Turkey's part in my opinion.

They should have responded to communication attempts, they didn't.

Exactly. That is the bigger mistake than violating the airspace.

And you then have to wonder why they choose not to respond.
There are only 2 reasons for not responding.

1. They are incapable of doing their jobs properly either through lack of training or lack of technical ability.
2. They are acting in a deliberately threatening manner intended to cause confrontation.

I doubt it's the former, so really the lack of any response can only be interpreted as a potential threat to Turkey and increase their belief that it should be shot down.

However anyone tries to twist this, Russia is in the wrong here - again.

This can become extreme big, very fast.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Well, Russia are (obviously) denying that they violated Turkish airspace, and the plane did actually crash in Syria.

I'm getting the feeling the Turks have been a bit trigger happy on this one.

Looking at Google maps, the plane came down in mountains in Syria's Latakia province (according to the BBC), placing it some distance from the border.

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Who the F is talking about yoga?

You (and clearly the Turkish military) need to look at the bigger picture and get..a..grip.

You are, when you equate violating airspace and ignoring warnings as "Political correctness". It's not. If they violated the airspace they should have answered the warnings. If someone violates Scottish Airspace, and ignores multiple warnings, what do you want your airforce to do? I know what I want mine to do.

When did I speak about yoga? Have you lost your mind? Stick to the topic!

We liaise with Russian jets almost bi-monthly that violate our airpspace we do not shoot them down!

Already explained, my mind is not the problem here, I think you understand perfectly well and want to play the fool because the alternative would be to admit you said something stupid.

Russian bombers test airspace, they come close to test the response. They do not violate it.

Test airspace or violate airspace? Do you understand the difference? I'll tell you, there isn't one.

I didn't say anything stupid and you tried to create a link between what I said, and yoga. I'm going to go with; you said something stupid.

If you think there is no difference you are a fool. One you come CLOSE to another nations airspace, but do not enter it, the other you actually enter it. One is fine, one is not.

They do enter it, regularly.

"with comms"
Went ahead and finished that sentence for you. That is when/how it is ok to go into another country's airspace, proper channels. NOT going into another nation with intent to bomb and NOT communicate with that nation. Hell even the US gives Assad the respect to say "hey its us we're gonna drone over here today". Russia needs to learn the same with the other nations around (i.e Turkey)

Su-24s will now be paired up with a couple Su-30 fighters from now on, russia didn't cross the border or cross airspace but was still shot down.

What are they doing in that area anyways there is no ISIS?
Besides oct,6. turkey complained the first time they can not let russian planes violate their airspace...

I see whats going on here.. so im out..

BTW.. im not russian, wrong hemisphere.. point missed.. toodles ya'll

Russia claims it did not violate Turkish air space.
It crashed somewhere in Syria near the border.
RT With Video
Watch this space
Looks like it dropped out of the sky very quickly.
If the crew also landed inside Syria then it looks to me that it was shot in Syrian airspace.
Also couldve possibly flown for a bit before it was terminal though.
But time will tell I spose. If it was in Syrian airspace, what will be Russia's reaction?

a reply to: Rocker2013

2. They are acting in a deliberately threatening manner intended to cause confrontation.

Their pilots seem to act like mini-Putin's lately. I wonder if the movie Top-Gun is now included in Russian Air Force training.

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: Rocker2013

Well, Russia are (obviously) denying that they violated Turkish airspace, and the plane did actually crash in Syria.

I'm getting the feeling the Turks have been a bit trigger happy on this one.

Looking at Google maps, the plane came down in mountains in Syria's Latakia province (according to the BBC), placing it some distance from the border.

Like I said, IF what we know about this turns out to be correct then Russia is at fault.
If Turkey shot it down over Syria, they are at fault.
I'm not inclined to instantly believe Russia in this, given their history of absolute outright bs on so many occasions.
But either way, this is going to be interesting to watch.

I have little sympathy for either government. Turkey's gov has questions to answer about their position on Da'esh.

Plus Turkey knows there trying to fight ISIL, they know the jets are gonna be in the area but they still shot it down... Turkey furkey bloody Turkey, stop being a Turkey ya bloody Turkey

This will not end well..... Turkey will likely pay a heavy price for this move......