Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

a reply to: Peeple

Looking at a map of ISIS controlled territory, they might actually be in that area.

originally posted by: Ngatikiwi
Russia claims it did not violate Turkish air space.
It crashed somewhere in Syria near the border.
RTWith Video
Watch this space

Screen shot every page RT puts up on it. I GUARANTEE it will change, and several times.

My sources are confirming the jet came down inside Syria a substantial distance from the border
The captured pilot is apparently being well looked after, drinking tea and tearing bread
At least for now anyway, until local interested parties turn up



a reply to: woogleuk

Of course there in that area, Turkey gov are supplying them and buying there oil. Which makes it touchy for putin. But now ! It changes. Who da f shots down a plane ? Come on man lol

originally posted by: Obi88
Plus Turkey knows there trying to fight ISIL, they know the jets are gonna be in the area but they still shot it down... Turkey furkey bloody Turkey, stop being a Turkey ya bloody Turkey

Makes no difference.
Russian fighters have no reason to be crossing into Turkish airspace, no reason at all.
If that's what happened, Turkey had the right to shoot it down.
Nations can't simply redraw national borders as it suits them.

If this plane was in Turkish airspace they had every right to shoot it out of the skies, especially if it refused to communicate.

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: Rocker2013

Well, Russia are (obviously) denying that they violated Turkish airspace, and the plane did actually crash in Syria.

I'm getting the feeling the Turks have been a bit trigger happy on this one.

Looking at Google maps, the plane came down in mountains in Syria's Latakia province (according to the BBC), placing it some distance from the border.

Where it landed is not important, where it was shot is. What information turns out to be correct is what will determine if it was a good hit.

originally posted by: Xarian6
I see whats going on here.. so im out..

BTW.. im not russian, wrong hemisphere.. point missed.. toodles ya'll

Exactly what is going on?

Lot's of unconfirmed reports and speculation.

Lot's of wanting to love Russia, but...

NATO trains for this stuff, all the time. If a Russian jet was shot down over Turkey and landed in Syria, that likely is the exact scenario, especially since the Russians confirm the shoot-down.

Stand by for plenty of radar and satellite data to come shortly

Be nice to crash in amesterdama reply to: AlphaPred

a reply to: AlphaPred

Please don't take this the wrong way, it's early morning and I haven't had coffee yet.....

Is that a serious response or sarcasm?

If serious, do you mind if I ask what/whom your source is?

I also get the impression now that the Russians didn't violate the Turks airspace, or if they did, not by much at all.

It's not confirmed they crossed it yet, and have u seen the border ? Dude haha...it's all over the shop and the targets there.a reply to: Rocker2013

Turkey has long since claimed, and had recognized, a five mile buffer zone inside Syria. They have shot down Syrian aircraft within that airspace in the past.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

International borders are a bit of a joke now. Everyone's flying around Syria at the moment, and I'm pretty sure Syria hasn't invited everyone. Hell there are even drones , zipping into another country and blowing some people up before zipping back home. No one seems to care, until it's happening to you or "your side".

Turkey is headed for regime change in 3. . . . .2. . . . .1. . . 0
They dont like that Russia is fighting the terrorists, then tries to get NATO to defend them as they defend the terrorists.
Will Russia counter attack? Or will they just let thier pilots be shot down to avoid a major war against a NATO ally?
Will NATO go to war over Turkey defending ISIL terrorists near thier airspace? Note Turkey claims thier airspace is around 5 miles within the Syrian border. Its looking like WW3 may start because Turkey is defending the terrorists. ... . . .

Time to cook the Turkey in time for Christmas!

ISIS sympathisers!

a reply to: Rocker2013

They all fight the Isis but they hoot their ally. Guys, someone paid good money to stupid turks to do this. Because this cab be a world war trigger. Idiotic NATO wants to go in war with Russia. Doom is on. Thanks to "democracy". Or are we already in totalitarianism?

What would any big nation do if someone shoot down their plane. It is not like Russians were attacking or threatening turks. Guys trust me this is a major provocation of big bear. Now we will see how strong is this bear. And trust me, this bear have ally's that can end the world we know.

No certainly, don't mind you asking ....problem being I can't really say sorry
However what I will say is
Royal Air Force regiment
Special forces support group
Joint personnel recovery
Agent handler
Safire instructor (even went to Libya to train the rebels, yes my bad, I know better now)
Shorad operator (just my quals and contacts relevant to this event)
Fingers in lots and lots of pies

Should also add, currently working at a rather central location for all of the above
Force protection centre / survive to operate centre

reply to: woogleuk

Rt news just reported the bomber never left Syrian airspace.As reported by the Russian defence ministry.

I also think people need to calm down on their "WW3!!!!!1111" claims too.

This is not the start of WW3.

Russia is desperately trying to come in from the cold after gaining Crimea, now supporting efforts in Syria and attempting to thaw relations with the west.

It doesn't have the time or the inclination to be going to war with NATO.

It does, however, make one wonder just what NATO would do if Russia did retaliate in some way and strike Turkey.

This is the problem with the alliance. They've failed to act on Turkey even when there is clear evidence that the Turkish gov has been stoking the civil war in Syria and if not implicitly backing IS doing nothing to help their victims. NATO has had several years to call Turkey to the table and force them into line on this, and they haven't done it.

Turkey should have been brought to the table and told in no uncertain terms that their membership of NATO was under threat and their security could not be guaranteed unless they supported the common goal.

Because NATO didn't do that, they now have to make the harder decision of whether they would actually fulfill any agreement to back Turkey. If it doesn't then all other NATO members will have to wonder what the point of NATO is.

We should not be in partnership with backward nations in this way, it makes all agreements difficult. When a nation like Turkey starts to move away politically from those within the group (on Human rights, support for despots, backing of terrorist organizations) they should be brought to the table and given a deadline to comply before being ejected from the agreement.

a reply to: ZeussusZ

If Syria warns someone in their airspace who does not listen they have every right to fire.