Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

originally posted by: Ploutonas

as for your beautiful speech about a nato country and its obligations. Well, we never wanted nato and our government knows that. Also its not a national move, the government didnt send army to support syria, those who wish to go there, is by free will.

Darn Yorgo , you make it refreshingly entertaining to talk a Greek .

You and Turks are 2 sides of the same coin is that what you are saying ?

My country is "by force" in nato. They always used the exit from nato, as a way to earn votes, since 80s. Thats why people stop voting in the elections, 50-60% of the people never vote to elections. All the latest governments we changed the last 5 years, represent the 10-15% of the total population, because people dont vote, as they dont represent us.
So deal with it.

Hmm deal with it ..... deal with it but how ?

I know , Greece join with Turks to form a small economic union is the answer but you probably are not ready yet .

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: sosobad
a reply to: paraphi
I'd take a look at this thread about 2 Turkish journalists that have been arrested because they found evidence of arms being sent to terrorists by Turkey.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Terrorists? Or Freedom fighters? This is off topic, but since you asked me, I feel obliged to ask you....

Please stop beating the dead hypocritical horse. You know my views on it, I used the word in the sentence, grow up.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas

as for your beautiful speech about a nato country and its obligations. Well, we never wanted nato and our government knows that. Also its not a national move, the government didnt send army to support syria, those who wish to go there, is by free will.

Darn Yorgo , you make it refreshingly entertaining to talk a Greek .

You and Turks are 2 sides of the same coin is that what you are saying ?

My country is "by force" in nato. They always used the exit from nato, as a way to earn votes, since 80s. Thats why people stop voting in the elections, 50-60% of the people never vote to elections. All the latest governments we changed the last 5 years, represent the 10-15% of the total population, because people dont vote, as they dont represent us.
So deal with it.

Hmm deal with it ..... deal with it but how ?

I know , Greece join with Turks to form a small economic union is the answer but you probably are not ready yet .

i dont understand your points sorry.

for this # Darn Yorgo , you make it refreshingly entertaining to talk a Greek .
You and Turks are 2 sides of the same coin is that what you are saying ?

In my language, there is not turks, there is only mongoloids, all mongoloids is the same thing, whatever the flag is.
And for this # Hmm deal with it ..... deal with it but how ?

I know , Greece join with Turks to form a small economic union is the answer but you probably are not ready yet .

just stay tuned...

edit on 27-11-2015 by Ploutonas because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: tweetie

originally posted by: Zaphod58
I have it on good authority that both sides are telling the truth. Air crews nearby clearly heard the Turkish warnings, and understood them with no problem.

But, they were issued on Guard, and pilots from Eastern European nations don't normally monitor that frequency, so the Russian pilots may never have heard them, if they didn't have it tuned in.

Thank you for posting this. I've been watching these events very closely and I believe the surviving Russian pilot's statements. I wondered if the Turkish warnings were never heard because the Russian pilots were not on their channel. They had no chance to adjust their course.

For me, because I've been mulling this over and over, that doesn't answer the other discrepancy about the surviving Russian pilot being absolutely sure he was not in Turkish air space for even one second (it was a clear day, he is very skilled, was in full control of the flight path, he knows the area extremely well, was only 6,000 m up) and Turkish military saying both planes briefly were. I wondered if it's a technical equipment miscalculation issue as far as plotting exact location of the planes' movements and whereabouts in relation to air space. I hope you know what I mean. I don't know the proper terms at the moment. So far, I haven't been able to come up with another explanation which makes both sides correct in what they state.

Never mind. I'll answer my own wondering. In 2012, Turkey took it upon itself to redraw its state border with Syria claiming a five mile buffer zone because one of its planes was shot down by Syria when the Turkish fighter plane violated Syrian airspace. I see. That's why Turkey says the Russian planes were in its air space and the Russians say no.

a reply to: tweetie

Sorry, got busy last night. A navigation error is entirely possible. The Russian GLONASS isn't as accurate as GPS, and INS has an inherent drift over time because of the way it works.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Yes, for such a transport of weapons, authorisation must be requested.
Obviously this was not done while this is an obligation, apparently they didn't want the authorities to know.
It also begs the question, this particular load was intercepted, but how many were not?

Some news, Russia does not accept Turkish travelers - without visas. They had a free pass before, now they wont be able to travel.

link

a reply to: earthling42

It was a valid transport. The driver didn't have the right license. Trying to turn it into something its not is the Russian temper tantrum im referring to.

originally posted by: Ploutonas

In my language, there is not turks, there is only mongoloids, all mongoloids is the same thing, whatever the flag is.

Hmm , you'll be disappointed then , there are hardly any Mongolians in Turkey .

just stay tuned...

Sure , I am awaiting Golden Dawn to start attacking the Turks of Greece .

a reply to: Xcathdra

No, without authorisation it is not a valid transport.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas

In my language, there is not turks, there is only mongoloids, all mongoloids is the same thing, whatever the flag is.

Hmm , you'll be disappointed then , there are hardly any Mongolians in Turkey .

just stay tuned...

Sure , I am awaiting Golden Dawn to start attacking the Turks of Greece .

Golden down will come into power, when western countries succeed to destroy syria, lebanon, iran, Turkey and create the appropriate conditions, to announce Konstantinupolis as the NWO city. Ask turks about the petrified King inside Saint Sophia... its a part of the plan actually. There was a delay in their plans, so expect it around 2019-20 - we may succeed more delays till then. And I dont speak about Golden down alone, Golden down takes commands from citi London. When I said that we do not have any representatives, it was the truth, you didnt believed me.

Therefore you may understand that we fight the bigger picture, not the minorities.

a reply to: earthling42

Actually it is... The driver didnt have the right license. Italy already stated the guns themselves werent illegal.

Italy police seize nearly 800 guns heading for Belgium

Italian police in the northern city of Trieste have seized nearly 800 shotguns en route from Turkey to Belgium.

The firearms were found packed in individual boxes aboard a Dutch-registered truck that arrived on a ferry in the port city.

Although customs rules were not broken, the Turkish driver did not have licences for the weapons, police said.

Controls at Italian ports have been stepped up in the wake of the 13 November Paris terror attacks.

EU interior ministers meeting in Brussels last week agreed to tighten security and share more information about the gun trade to prevent trafficking of illegal weapons.

It came after attackers with automatic rifles and suicide belts killed 130 people at a number of sites in Paris. Some of the attackers had lived in Belgium.
National security

The 781 weapons seized in Trieste on Tuesday were pump-action Winchester SXP shotguns, according to a police statement (in Italian).

Prosecutors are investigating possible charges.

As I said Russia throwing a temper tantrum and people who cant take the time to investigate on their own buying it hook line and sinker.

originally posted by: Ploutonas

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas

In my language, there is not turks, there is only mongoloids, all mongoloids is the same thing, whatever the flag is.

Hmm , you'll be disappointed then , there are hardly any Mongolians in Turkey .

just stay tuned...

Sure , I am awaiting Golden Dawn to start attacking the Turks of Greece .

Golden down will come into power, when western countries succeed to destroy syria, lebanon, iran, Turkey and create the appropriate conditions, to announce Konstantinupolis as the NWO city. Ask turks about the petrified King inside Saint Sophia... its a part of the plan actually. There was a delay in their plans, so expect it around 2019-20 - we may succeed more delays till then. And I dont speak about Golden down alone, Golden down takes commands from citi London.

Therefore you may understand that we fight the bigger picture, not the minorities.

I don't know Yorgo . Last time I was in Greece , I was there for over 6 days and stayed in a small town west of Selanik .
Young people I met had NOT got this animosity but almost an admiration for Istanbul / Konstantaniyye .

Your plan can't work be Yorgo !!!

Russia has 30 million muslim citizens , what do you think they will do to Russia from within should Russia attack and start to kill Turks .

You can never defeat the serpents of the west nor snakes of the east .

a reply to: Xcathdra

These weapons were discovered with the use of a scanner, if it was valid, one would expect that not only the papers of the freight mention weapons as freight, but also that regulations are followed, meaning to request a license.
Furthermore, these weapons were stacked behind regular freight in the trailer.

It is being investigated, which obviously contradicts that custom rules weren't broken, it was not an authorized transport.

a reply to: earthling42

No it doesnt contradict customs rules. The guns werent illegal. The driver didnt have a permit.

None of which has anything to do with the topic except for putin throwing a temper tantrum and his followers not looking any farther than what he tells them.

Maybe start your own thread?

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas

In my language, there is not turks, there is only mongoloids, all mongoloids is the same thing, whatever the flag is.

Hmm , you'll be disappointed then , there are hardly any Mongolians in Turkey .

just stay tuned...

Sure , I am awaiting Golden Dawn to start attacking the Turks of Greece .

Golden down will come into power, when western countries succeed to destroy syria, lebanon, iran, Turkey and create the appropriate conditions, to announce Konstantinupolis as the NWO city. Ask turks about the petrified King inside Saint Sophia... its a part of the plan actually. There was a delay in their plans, so expect it around 2019-20 - we may succeed more delays till then. And I dont speak about Golden down alone, Golden down takes commands from citi London.

Therefore you may understand that we fight the bigger picture, not the minorities.

I don't know Yorgo . Last time I was in Greece , I was there for over 6 days and stayed in a small town west of Selanik .
Young people I met had NOT got this animosity but almost an admiration for Istanbul / Konstantaniyye .

Your plan can't work be Yorgo !!!

Russia has 30 million muslim citizens , what do you think they will do to Russia from within should Russia attack and start to kill Turks .

the topic derails with this conversation.
stop carrying about turks, turks is a tool nothing more.. Is the monkey king and it is mend to be destroyed and not by us. I see a concern in you, that Golden Down will come into power and furious Greeks will kill you all. Is that what you afraid? As for Russia and muslims, my language does not include religions, because I dont belong to any religion, but I am not an atheist either. I think I gave you my definition in the prev comment.
And yes many Ellines are obsessed and admire Konstantinupolis and Byzantium, its the culture we maintained since Byzantium. I admire the era before Atlantis if that helps you.

So Turkey is also supporting terrorists from China training them to be terrorists to return to China, not to mention training little girls to be terrorists. . . . This is sooooooo F...ed up I have no words to describe it! It shows Turkey has terrorist links and plans to have terrorists fight in Syria.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: DJW001

Go start your own thread and then you wont have to debunk it ......you will probably pick up a few flags and stars for your effort as well .....peace

Be careful what you ask for:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is now no reason for anyone on ATS to repeat that story.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

No thats what Russia is trying to claim.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

No thats what Russia is trying to claim.

PROVE IT!