Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

a reply to: svetlana84

The firearms were found packed in individual boxes aboard a Dutch-registered truck that arrived on a ferry in the port city.

Although customs rules were not broken, the Turkish driver did not have licences for the weapons, police said.

The first few sentences of the article...

originally posted by: Ploutonas

Freedom fighters, who are not syrians? Are terrorists.

so all those Greeks who fought with Kurds against the Turks are also Terrorist , yes ?
This is your logic afterall .

I havent met a single syrian freedom fighter with all these thousands they come by boats (turkey smuggles them for 1500 euros per head). Turks do great business.
Turkish hospitals are full of them wounded Syrians , Of course you are not going to meet any freedom fighters who are running away to Europe. Freedom fighters stay and fight the good fight .

We live in the age, that words lose/lost their true meaning/ID. Two people speak the same language, but they cannot understand each other.

We live in an age where the corporations have hijacked capitalism and turned every human being into an " Individual Consumer & Payer " .
Neo Feudal age is upon the European and it is being passed thru the back door while muslims are being made the bogeyman to distract the populus .
Sophisticated but blunt approach to social engineering .

Result ; malcontent crowds . mallable to steel boots .

Don't worry about the Muslims / Turks , do worry about your own Overlords .

a reply to: Xcathdra

So you dismiss the whole Turkey connection because the truck was registered by a dutch guy?

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas

Freedom fighters, who are not syrians? Are terrorists.

so all those Greeks who fought with Kurds against the Turks are also Terrorist , yes ?
This is your logic afterall .

I havent met a single syrian freedom fighter with all these thousands they come by boats (turkey smuggles them for 1500 euros per head). Turks do great business.
Turkish hospitals are full of them wounded Syrians , Of course you are not going to meet any freedom fighters who are running away to Europe. Freedom fighters stay and fight the good fight .

We live in the age, that words lose/lost their true meaning/ID. Two people speak the same language, but they cannot understand each other.

We live in an age where the corporations have hijacked capitalism and turned every human being into an " Individual Consumer & Payer " .
Neo Feudal age is upon the European and it is being passed thru the back door while muslims are being made the bogeyman to distract the populus .
Sophisticated but blunt approach to social engineering .

Result ; malcontent crowds . mallable to steel boots .

Don't worry about the Muslims / Turks , do worry about your own Overlords .

all those greeks who fight with kuds in syria, are authorized by syrians and their government and we are very proud for them. It cannot be compared with those who travel and invade syrian space to kill syrians, their government and promote their agendas. You see there is a huge gap between these 2 actions. We help true syrians, because we share common grounds in our commonwealth from very ancient years. The others just try to destroy... and call it freedom.

EU politicians blast Turkeys links to ISIS

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: all2human

Its a stated fact using NATO in your posts still doesnt mean nato is involved. Russian and Chinese weapons are also being used so does that mean the EEU / BRICS are involved?

your logic is flawed.
BRICS is not a military alliance, NATO is.

a reply to: Belgianbloke

There is no story. The driver didnt have a license to transport. Absent that it was a lawful transaction.

800 Belgium-Bound Shotguns Seized by Italian Police: Official

Or are you trying to paint a picture where turkey is illegally moving guns into Europe?

a reply to: greenreflections

and yet NATO is not involved any more than the EEU or BRICS is which is the point.

The flawed logic is in trying to link nato.

originally posted by: Ploutonas


all those greeks who fight with kuds in syria, are authorized by syrians and their government and we are very proud for them. It cannot be compared with those who travel and invade syrian space to kill syrians, their government and promote their agendas.

So you admit that Greeks and Syrians have fought against Turks by government decree ?

Thanks for that admittance . We knew it all along .

Let me just explain this issue in a way the USA audience can understand .

Greece while being in Nato was sponsoring a covert war against another Nato nation Turkey .

Worse still , Greece was working with a Soviet Satellite Syria .

Look man , all world knows you are double dealers .

You smile to USA and wink at Russia all the time .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: Ploutonas


all those greeks who fight with kuds in syria, are authorized by syrians and their government and we are very proud for them. It cannot be compared with those who travel and invade syrian space to kill syrians, their government and promote their agendas.

So you admit that Greeks and Syrians have fought against Turks by government decree ?

Thanks for that admittance . We knew it all along .

Let me just explain this issue in a way the USA audience can understand .

Greece while being in Nato was sponsoring a covert war against another Nato nation Turkey .

Worse still , Greece was working with a Soviet Satellite Syria .

Look man , all world knows you are double dealers .

You smile to USA and wink at Russia all the time .

yes, many always join the fight against the "freedom fighters", nobody can stop them. We also have 1 incident of an immigrant who raised in my country and joined ISIS.

as for your beautiful speech about a nato country and its obligations. Well, we never wanted nato and our government knows that. Also its not a national move, the government didnt send army to support syria, those who wish to go there, is by free will. As u do the same, to support the islamic states.

My country is "by force" in nato. They always used the exit from nato, as a way to earn votes, since 80s. Thats why people stop voting in the elections, 50-60% of the people never vote to elections. All the latest governments we changed the last 5 years, represent the 10-15% of the total population, because people dont vote, as they dont represent us.
So deal with it.

a reply to: Ploutonas

Freedom fighters, who are not syrians?

The Turkmen the Turks have been helping are Syrian.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Ploutonas

Freedom fighters, who are not syrians?

The Turkmen the Turks have been helping are Syrian.

in our records and news, they are not helping syrians, they helping the ones you wanna call syrians, in your newly formed syria... lol

thats why its hard for the readers to understand what is actually going on. For turkey isis is not the fanatic islamists who enter syria and kill everybody, these are syrians... ISIS for turks is the government and the syrians citizens. Erdogan actually said it 2 days ago, in an interview, the video is posted in prev posts.

Apparently Russia monitored the F-16s for over an hour before the incident. If thats true then it wasnt pre-planned and suggests Russia may have been setting up turkey.

tr.sputniknews.com...

sputniknews.com...

a reply to: Xcathdra

from the article:


Минобороны России ✔@mod_russia
#SYRIA #Bondarev: Objective monitoring data proves that Turkish jet was in Syrian airspace for 40 sec and dived 2 km into Syrian territory

originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: Xcathdra

from the article:


Минобороны России ✔@mod_russia
#SYRIA #Bondarev: Objective monitoring data proves that Turkish jet was in Syrian airspace for 40 sec and dived 2 km into Syrian territory

No sense saying that because no matter what they won't believe what's said unless it's anti Russian. Anything pro Russia is just propaganda... No sense debating because what everything Turkey is saying about the incident must be true

a reply to: majesticgent

Russia lies every other time they open their mouth. Their untrustworthiness is of their own doing. Why would Russia admit to an action that resulted in one of their planes being shot down. We saw the same lies with mh17. How many versions did they put out? We see the same here. A new sputnik article says russia tracked the f16's for about an hour prior to russia entering turkish airspace.

Engage the topic and dont make it personal.

originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: Xcathdra

from the article:


Минобороны России ✔@mod_russia
#SYRIA #Bondarev: Objective monitoring data proves that Turkish jet was in Syrian airspace for 40 sec and dived 2 km into Syrian territory

Another spectacular flip-flop by the Russian All Star Mental Gymnastics team. So now it was the Turks who violated Syrian airspace.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The topic is Turkey shot down a Russian plane and the propaganda on both sides that followed as both sides make their case. Some believe what they want to believe no matter what and it detracts from the topic and the breaking news because of their disdain... Then back and forth ensues and then breaking news updates are missed because of the back and forth.

I've been engaging the topic the entire time and I didn't single you out because you're not the only one, so the only one taking it personally is you.

There is an old saying that goes, "A hit dog will holler"

a reply to: majesticgent

and russia is changing its story.. like they always do when the first lie they tell falls apart. When you speak about me while making false claims its personal. As you said im not the focus of this thread. Stop making personal attacks.

a reply to: Xcathdra

No one is denying that. It's called propaganda for a reason, but there is propaganda on both sides.

Anyhow, we're beating a dead horse here. We'll see what comes of this unfolding situation.