BREAKING : Vladimir Putin says Russia will fight for the right of Palestinians to their own state

a reply to: DarthFazer

Would you care to discuss this at length?

originally posted by: Indigo5
Just posting another cuz their faces deserve to be seen when people celebrate Putin...

What to give a Sociopath who has everything on his birthday?

The assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (born 1958), the Russian journalist, writer and human rights activist, took place on 7 October 2006, birthday of Russian president Vladimir Putin. She was well known for her opposition to the Chechen conflict and criticism of Putin.

On 7 October 2006, Politkovskaya was found shot dead in the elevator of her apartment block in central Moscow. Police found a Makarov pistol and four shell casings beside her body. Reports indicated a contract killing, as she was shot four times, once in the head.

According to Berezovsky, Putin uttered that Hakamada and her colleagues "will take in the head immediately, literally, not figuratively" if they "open the mouth" about the Russian apartment bombings.

A week after the assassination, Alexander Litvinenko accusedpewoplof sanctioning the murder. Two weeks after this statement, Litvinenko was poisoned with radioactive polonium. Two days before his death on 24 November 2006, he wrote a statement, in case he "does not make it".

He said:
"Name the bastard. Anna Politkovskaya did not do it, so I will, for both of us.
You may succeed in silencing one man but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. May God forgive you for what you have done, not only to me but to beloved Russia and its people".

en.wikipedia.org...

ANNA POLITKOVSKAYA

You mean to tell me you believe "Pres-Putin" isn't smart enough not kill her esp. on his "b-day", because she critisized a just war, you mean to tell me you believe Chechnya was/is an independant nation for thousands of years, and only after 1917 when the evil Bolshevics came to power is when it (Chechnya) was "forced" to be part of this new Country called "The Soviet Union", you mean to tell that with that type of analogy I can't say the same about U.S. Reporter "Tim Russert" who died of a sudden heart attack, " AFTER" asking Bush Jr. about "Masonic Order", only Russian leaders have suspisios behavior like that not American??

originally posted by: Christosterone
The good news is that Russia has a pathetic army...and an even more pathetic work ethic(as a society)...and that's to say nothing about the poor innate, inherent IQ of its alcohol imbibing populace....

Once we get a new president with a backbone, America will [again] put that pathetic socialist parasite in its place...

-Christosterone

We can't even put people in the sand armed with AKs in their place, I doubt we'll be able to put a fully armed country in "its place."

originally posted by: DarthFazer

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: DarthFazer

Putin has been cultivating Russian Jews.He recently consolidated Russian-Jewish books and documents into a centralized library. He dares not eliminate the "cancer of Zionism." You might want to read this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

All Jews aren't Zionists and all Zionists aren't Jews. Being "Jewish" simply means "being a member of the Tribe of Judah". They don't even have to follow a form of Judaism to be Jewish, much less believe in Zionism.

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I never mentioned "jews" did I ?

It is Zionism that is opresseing palestine , not jews. In fact many orthadox jews are opposed to zionism so ...

(cough cough my post wasn't a reply to your post. it was a reply to the person who said "Putin has been cultivating Russian Jews. He recently consolidated blah blah blah". I had no problem w/your post )

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: felonius
a reply to: maddy21

israel should be the one unassing land.

they stole it and murdered for it.

go russia!

UN resolution 242. read it.

Are you justifying Israels actions based on it defending its security?

Not sure what you are alluding to, technically a child throwing a stone at a tank could be a violation of 242 but shooting the child is a far greater human rights breach. If Israel wants security it should stop stoking the fires by ending the mass genocide of Palestinians.

As far as the surrounding countries claiming their land is being occupied yes, Also Jews also called themselve palestinian at one time as well remember? They technically have rights to th eland. The "other palestinians" are part of trans jordan who will never reclaim them because they could not get along with the jordanian government.

Theres nto a mass genocide going on. thats collatorral damage. and youre falling for the propaganda.

Putting people behind a wall and denying them basic human rights, water, food, medical supplies etc based on their ethnicity then continuing to bombard them indiscriminately causing predominantly civilian casualties is the very definition of genocide. You're right in some ways, the Jews and Arabs in Israel / Palestine should live under equality as one country and one people, however the persecution from my perspective looks one way.

Describing the deaths of innocent civilians, the majority of whom are women and children as collateral damage is disgusting!

How many UN medical centers, official hospitals and medics have Israel targeted during their campaigns?

The "palestinians" in th ewest bank are not of th earea called palestine. they are from JORDAN. And JORDAN has REFUSED to take them AND the land back from Israel. IF anything JORDAN is the one in VIOLATION. Egypt and Israel made up with each other and were given back control of Gaza,but did it bring peace? nope. Syria also refuses to acknowledge israel a sa nation and as such is also in breach of international agreements to the UN that wa sset up during cease fire negotiations.

Why quote me if you aren't going to address a single thing i said?

I really couldn't care less about the politics behind the massacre or who you want to blame. The fact remains that the people in Gaza and the West Bank are treated as sub-human by the Israeli government and it must stop.

Russia should keep it's nose out. Palestine is an evil terrorist state that has no rights to exist. It kills it's own civillians to martyr them and gain media sympathy. Palestine and Hamas must be stopped they are just bullies with big brothers all around them. Israel is a small piece of land surrounded by Arab states all vying for it's blood. Palestine is just a bully. Don't fall for Pallywood lies and propaganda.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

All Jews aren't Zionists and all Zionists aren't Jews. Being "Jewish" simply means "being a member of the Tribe of Judah". They don't even have to follow a form of Judaism to be Jewish, much less believe in Zionism.

Zionism is the most reasonable solution to the problem of Anti-Semitic pogroms. Anyone who opposes the idea of a state that guarantees refuge for Jews is an Anti-Semite. Period. (And spare me your pseudo-history.)

originally posted by: ATSWATCHER

originally posted by: Indigo5
Just posting another cuz their faces deserve to be seen when people celebrate Putin...

What to give a Sociopath who has everything on his birthday?

The assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (born 1958), the Russian journalist, writer and human rights activist, took place on 7 October 2006, birthday of Russian president Vladimir Putin. She was well known for her opposition to the Chechen conflict and criticism of Putin.

On 7 October 2006, Politkovskaya was found shot dead in the elevator of her apartment block in central Moscow. Police found a Makarov pistol and four shell casings beside her body. Reports indicated a contract killing, as she was shot four times, once in the head.

According to Berezovsky, Putin uttered that Hakamada and her colleagues "will take in the head immediately, literally, not figuratively" if they "open the mouth" about the Russian apartment bombings.

A week after the assassination, Alexander Litvinenko accusedpewoplof sanctioning the murder. Two weeks after this statement, Litvinenko was poisoned with radioactive polonium. Two days before his death on 24 November 2006, he wrote a statement, in case he "does not make it".

He said:
"Name the bastard. Anna Politkovskaya did not do it, so I will, for both of us.
You may succeed in silencing one man but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. May God forgive you for what you have done, not only to me but to beloved Russia and its people".

en.wikipedia.org...

ANNA POLITKOVSKAYA

You mean to tell me you believe "Pres-Putin" isn't smart enough not kill her esp. on his "b-day"

He had Anna Politkovskaya killed on his Birthday precisely so there would be no doubt that he was responsible. It was a warning to everyone that he was in the business of killing those that publicly criticized or challenged him. He did it on his Birthday to let the world know he was untouchable and could do as he pleased.

Just to make it doubly clear, when x-FSB/KGB agent and outspoken Putin critic Alexander Litvinenko (who had asylum in the UK) accused Putin of being responsible for killing Anna Politkovskaya two weeks after her death, Putin had him killed via radioactive material...He became the first known victim in history of lethal Polonium 210-induced acute radiation syndrome. Nothing subtle about that. He wanted no confusion about who was responsible. When British investigators traced the murder of Litvinenko back to a Putin friend in Russia and demanded extradition...Putin had that man, Andrey Lugovoy, made a member of the Duma and declared him immune from prosecution or extradition.

He was sending a message that he would kill critics...even when they had received refuge in the west...and he used radioactive material to let everyone know it was not a random murder. Same reason he had Anna killed on his birthday...the message to his critics was that he was killing critics and was untouchable.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: ATSWATCHER

originally posted by: Indigo5
Just posting another cuz their faces deserve to be seen when people celebrate Putin...

What to give a Sociopath who has everything on his birthday?

The assassination of Anna Politkovskaya (born 1958), the Russian journalist, writer and human rights activist, took place on 7 October 2006, birthday of Russian president Vladimir Putin. She was well known for her opposition to the Chechen conflict and criticism of Putin.

On 7 October 2006, Politkovskaya was found shot dead in the elevator of her apartment block in central Moscow. Police found a Makarov pistol and four shell casings beside her body. Reports indicated a contract killing, as she was shot four times, once in the head.

According to Berezovsky, Putin uttered that Hakamada and her colleagues "will take in the head immediately, literally, not figuratively" if they "open the mouth" about the Russian apartment bombings.

A week after the assassination, Alexander Litvinenko accusedpewoplof sanctioning the murder. Two weeks after this statement, Litvinenko was poisoned with radioactive polonium. Two days before his death on 24 November 2006, he wrote a statement, in case he "does not make it".

He said:
"Name the bastard. Anna Politkovskaya did not do it, so I will, for both of us.
You may succeed in silencing one man but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. May God forgive you for what you have done, not only to me but to beloved Russia and its people".

en.wikipedia.org...

ANNA POLITKOVSKAYA

You mean to tell me you believe "Pres-Putin" isn't smart enough not kill her esp. on his "b-day"

He had Anna Politkovskaya killed on his Birthday precisely so there would be no doubt that he was responsible. It was a warning to everyone that he was in the business of killing those that publicly criticized or challenged him. He did it on his Birthday to let the world know he was untouchable and could do as he pleased.

Just to make it doubly clear, when x-FSB/KGB agent and outspoken Putin critic Alexander Litvinenko (who had asylum in the UK) accused Putin of being responsible for killing Anna Politkovskaya two weeks after her death, Putin had him killed via radioactive material...He became the first known victim in history of lethal Polonium 210-induced acute radiation syndrome. Nothing subtle about that. He wanted no confusion about who was responsible. When British investigators traced the murder of Litvinenko back to a Putin friend in Russia and demanded extradition...Putin had that man, Andrey Lugovoy, made a member of the Duma and declared him immune from prosecution or extradition.

He was sending a message that he would kill critics...even when they had received refuge in the west...and he used radioactive material to let everyone know it was not a random murder. Same reason he had Anna killed on his birthday...the message to his critics was that he was killing critics and was untouchable.

YEAH RIGHT ALL YOUR DOING IS REPEATING THE SAME LIES THAT U.S/ EU says it's so funny who people like you can't see how Pres.Putin was being framed by Berisovski/ MI6/ CIA/ MOSSAD, Berizonv was known to admitt to try and over throw Pre. Putin with "internal" revolution in Russia, but it never worked THATS WHY HE FLED TO ENGLAND ( not the about 5 other Oligarchs that broke many Laws and fled to Isarel,) all these people work with the Intelegance Agencies to cause internal strife in Russia, so all they did WAS kill her & Lithi boy and make it " look" as it was Pres. Putin, how do you think the western media figured out quickly what "socalled" happend to those 2 people, it was CIA/MI6/MOSSAD that gave those Media outlets the "script" to go by, I used to be just like you guys believing my Country was Fallowing The Constitution and Russia & every body else was the bad guy, I'm really sorry to tell you ( esp. if your my fellow American) but in the real world things don't happpen like that, only in Hollywood movies/ t.v. shows.

a reply to: ATSWATCHER

So from your spelling I assume your home country is...?

I took a stroll through your posts going back 6 years now...A complete history of cheerleading for Russia. Mostly in the form of how the Russian military, technology, etc. is entirely superior to the USA etc....How Russia is never wrong, the USA is evil and how Russia will destroy the USA..

Where again are you posting from comrade?

Hey...everyone has to pay the bills...best wishes to you.

originally posted by: DEV1L79
Russia should keep it's nose out. Palestine is an evil terrorist state that has no rights to exist. It kills it's own civillians to martyr them and gain media sympathy. Palestine and Hamas must be stopped they are just bullies with big brothers all around them. Israel is a small piece of land surrounded by Arab states all vying for it's blood. Palestine is just a bully. Don't fall for Pallywood lies and propaganda.

That's really funny. Wow. Your little Cartoon failed to show the reason for the harassment. The underlying cause of how Israel treats the Palestinian people.

Israel has the biggest brother of all, the USA watching it's back with many military bases in the area. The whole reason that there are even terrorists at all in the Palestinian territories is because of how Israel treats the Palestinian people.

It's apartheid and bullying on the part of Israel. Of course there will always be a small few in that area that are anti everying and will kill for no reason, but for most people in the Palestinian territories, they're just trying to find a better life for themselves.

Ask yourself this. If you were born in the Palestinian territories, through no fault of your own (we can't really choose where and to whom we are born to) and were alive there today, what would you do? How would you feel? What would your prospects be for work, education improvement in your life? Could you travel anywhere you liked and who would be stopping you from doing it? Who would you blame is a bomb killed your family, even though you weren't a terrorist?

You're not looking at this logically...you're just parroting right wing propaganda. Look deeper. Look for the truth.

a reply to: amazing

Yeah... sure...Here is one of your heroes

Or I should say, there goes! (bye bye)

Defensive Shooter should have done a full mag dump.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: amazing

Yeah... sure...Here is one of your heroes

Or I should say, there goes! (bye bye)

Defensive Shooter should have done a full mag dump.

But you see you just took it to an extreme. This was a mentally ill, criminal terrorist. Not your every day Palestinian.

Now, I wonder why you would do that?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: enlightenedservant

All Jews aren't Zionists and all Zionists aren't Jews. Being "Jewish" simply means "being a member of the Tribe of Judah". They don't even have to follow a form of Judaism to be Jewish, much less believe in Zionism.

Zionism is the most reasonable solution to the problem of Anti-Semitic pogroms. Anyone who opposes the idea of a state that guarantees refuge for Jews is an Anti-Semite. Period. (And spare me your pseudo-history.)

LOL In other words, either you don't know crap about Jewish history so you can't dispute it, or you know it's all true and can't dispute it. But going by your logic, answer this.

1. If my history is false, why did the vast majority of Jews abandon Jerusalem for more than 1200 years after the Jewish-Sassanid State failed?

2. Also, do you think the millions of Jews who don't support Zionism are also Anti-Semitic?

3. Aren't Israel's Ashkenazi Jews being Anti-Semitic when they discriminate against Maghrebi Jews, Sephardi Jews, and Ethiopian Jews?

4. Aren't any Jewish people who hate the Palestinians, Arabs, Bedouins, Syriacs, and Samaritans also anti-Semitic? After all, all of those groups are also Semites.

5. Arabs are by far the largest existing Semitic group, not the Tribe of Judah. So why do you think something is only "anti-Semitic" if it opposes Zionism but not "anti-Semitic" when it opposes other Semites like the largest group of Semites, the Arabs?

EDIT: Also, why does the Tribe of Judah need there supposed "refuge" there? There are millions of Jewish people who live freely & comfortably in America & other parts of the world. Even Mexico City has a sizable amount of Jewish people. In fact, even Berlin, Germany has a sizable Jewish community!

So implying that the Tribe of Judah will only be safe in the Middle East is ludicrous. It's also insulting & patronizing to the millions of Jewish people who live comfortably in other countries.

Didn't have a whole lot of respect for the guy until now. I can't bring myself to support a state such as isreal, given their chronic humans rights abuses, rampant racism, even against fellow Jews that happen to be black Africans. Basically, in my eyes, Israelis are just Nazis in blue and white. They constantly persecute the Palestinians, bombing civilians, shooting protesters, steal land based on a religious belief system....

I really wish my government wasn't a slave to the ZioNazis.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

LOL In other words, either you don't know crap about Jewish history so you can't dispute it, or you know it's all true and can't dispute it. But going by your logic, answer this.

I'm talking about your "Tribe of Judah" nonsense. Religious beliefs are notnhistory.

1. If my history is false, why did the vast majority of Jews abandon Jerusalem for more than 1200 years after the Jewish-Sassanid State failed?

That you actually got correct.

2. Also, do you think the millions of Jews who don't support Zionism are also Anti-Semitic?

Where did you get "millions" from? There are some Jewish cults that don't support Zionism... some Jews would argue that they are not "really" Jews. Incidentally, did you know that in the 1960s the head of the American Nazi Party was Jewish?

3. Aren't Israel's Ashkenazi Jews being Anti-Semitic when they discriminate against Maghrebi Jews, Sephardi Jews, and Ethiopian Jews?

Yes, they are. It's shameful.

4. Aren't any Jewish people who hate the Palestinians, Arabs, Bedouins, Syriacs, and Samaritans also anti-Semitic? After all, all of those groups are also Semites.

Anyone who hates anyone else is certainly an embarrassment to their religion.

5. Arabs are by far the largest existing Semitic group, not the Tribe of Judah. So why do you think something is only "anti-Semitic" if it opposes Zionism but not "anti-Semitic" when it opposes other Semites like the largest group of Semites, the Arabs?

Because Anti-Semitism is the polite word for Jew-hating. From now on I will try to be less tactful.

EDIT: Also, why does the Tribe of Judah need there supposed "refuge" there? There are millions of Jewish people who live freely & comfortably in America & other parts of the world. Even Mexico City has a sizable amount of Jewish people. In fact, even Berlin, Germany has a sizable Jewish community!

If you really knew anything about Jewish history, you would know how quickly things can change. In just a few years, Jews went from being happy and comfortable in Central Europe to being herded into cattle cars and sent to death camps.

So implying that the Tribe of Judah will only be safe in the Middle East is ludicrous. It's also insulting & patronizing to the millions of Jewish people who live comfortably in other countries.

As I said, if you know anything about Jewish history, you know it is imperative for the Jewish people to have a place of refuge. If you cannot acknowledge this than you are just an... Jew-hater.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: amazing

Yeah... sure...Here is one of your heroes

Or I should say, there goes! (bye bye)

Defensive Shooter should have done a full mag dump.

But you see you just took it to an extreme. This was a mentally ill, criminal terrorist. Not your every day Palestinian.

Now, I wonder why you would do that?

This is worse than dropping a guided missile on a hospital?

www.ifamericansknew.org...

Look at civilian casualties vs military and you will see the real terrorists. I can show you videos of Israeli jets deliberately targeting medical institutions. One side is fighting with rocks, the other with napalm.

Causes of Deaths of Israeli Soldiers
2005

Committed Suicide 30
Illness 14
Accidents 26
Terror Incidents 6

More Israeli soldiers die from suicide than from terrorist acts.

Looks like the Russians have embarrassed and shamed themselves once again. Not admitting your part in the MH17 disaster after today's report released by the Dutch despite all the evidence pointing to Russian backed separatists and a complete lack of any evidence to the contrary?

Another proud moment in Putin's legacy I'm sure. Their reactions to this report goes to show you how sick and disgusting they are.

Team Russia ATS to the rescue of the world hahahaha. They're so awesome in Syria too am I right? This article definitely proves that they have conquered all the evil terrorists and made the world a much better place to live:

m.economictimes.com...

To quote the great John McClane "Welcome to the party pal".

originally posted by: maddy21

www.independent.co.uk... 41902.html

Vladimir Putin has said Russia will fight for an independent Palestinian state, and called for the issues of the Middle East to be resolved through peaceful means.

It all makes sense now, Saudi's support the right for the Palestinian state, so Saudi's and Israeli's aren't really the best of friends. And relationships between Saudi's and U.S have fallen in recent years. I believe Saudi in return for support for the Palestinian cause from Russia made a deal to fight the militants in Syria ?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


The whole M.E is confusing...

Wrong. Saudis and Israelis are allies. They both run ISIS and want to overthrow the legitimate sovereign government of Syria led by Bashar Assad and the legitimate government of Yemen led by the Houthis. Saudis don't support a Palestinian state. It would have already happened if they did. Israel, Saudi Arabia, and their stooges in the US government attacked the US on 9-11-2001.

a reply to: Adaluncatif

Pretty much, but I wouldn't call them allies. They have common interests for sure and the Saudis definitely don't care about the Palestinians. The Palestinians are on their own. Nobody has or will ever truly help them. They just get used by whatever side and are easily bought off through humanitarian aid.