Why Creation Is The Only Logical Explanation...

a reply to: edmc^2

Scientists think it was a dense singularity that contained all energy as well as space time itself. The problem is, it is impossible to study back that far, so nobody really knows.

a reply to: Barcs

Scientists think
Does that mean believe, assume, hope, imagine

That's faith, that's not science, just because scientists think, that means nothing at all.
That to me means they have a faith, unproven and most of all unscientific.

That's a steaming pile of ludicrous

You give these scientists a religious like superiority for their faith

What's wrong with people, you make them special because they believe the impossible, they are worshiped by those who don't have a mind to think for themselves

Scientists think? Are you for real Barcs ?

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: edmc^2

Of course INFINITY is a concept because it's not something we can see or touch. But it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. We have a concept of it in terms of infinite numbers. We have a concept of it in terms of infinite space and time. These are not just concepts but reality that is beyond our grasp. Yet we accept them as such.

oh please, do tell me all about your experiences regarding eternity and infinity. this ought to be amusing.

Like I said, if you don't understand the concept of INFINITY then, you will not be able to understand how the COSMOS came to be.

i would rather freely not understand than make a fool of myself pretending to.

not sure why this is too difficult for you to grasp. Infinity simply means - without beginning or end. Always existing.

Hence for the material universe to exist there must be by necessity an infinite source. One that has no beginning or end. A source that is higher than what was produced.

For example - whatever you (physically) produce will always be inferior to you. The potter will always be superior to the pot.

hmm, almost as inspiring as the kalam cosmological or ontological arguments.

so what produced the infinite source? since every pot must have its potter, surely there was a something or somewhere that gave rise to this source.

a reply to: Noinden

So no evidence at all, just your faith recorded by ancestors.

I bet being a chemist, spiritualist new anger really helps with that ancestor writings stuff

And you bemoan the bible believers yet have your own ancient ancestors writings to fall over on

Do you apply thought to what you think and write

I need a Captain Kirk face palm image about now

You believe it just was, no evidence required, good work noinden, that was always obvious to me

You are the winner of every argument from now till forever, I am sure your ancestors book states as much, can't argue with that logic

What else fron that book is written, I would love to know, it must be great having a book telling you how to live, act and what to believe


Chemist, obviously

a reply to: TzarChasm

Did you miss the discussion about infinity or do you like others think it doesn't exist as well

Some things are beyond mortal minds, or don't you believe that either.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Yawn, same ol' tireless nonsense. Your best arguments are pure semantics. Let me know when you have a real argument, or something that isn't complete hogwash based on your personal opinion and nothing else. It's laughable to just poopoo away scientists who use evidence to make predictions and educated guesses, in favor of something so ridiculous like a magical sky god, which has no evidence to support it and just randomly happened to exist eternally. Life isn't a movie, suspension of disbelieve doesn't work in reality. Your fairy tales don't prove anything and you have not proven a single thing ever on this site.

Do better... At least your previous response made me laugh. This is just crap that everyone parrots.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

so what produced the infinite source? since every pot must have its potter, surely there was a something or somewhere that gave rise to this source.

This is the point of the "Alpha Omega", it is, always was and always shall be. Plato had a long logical deduction regarding the topic, and concluded that it must have always existed. It makes it look as if time itself is a shadow of God. Just like our shadows are limited by the 3rd dimension, we are currently limited by the 4th dimension (which is time - the progression of 3D beings). Think how silly a question it would be if a shadow asked us how we stretched our being into the z-axis? Similarly, God laughs at the question of Him spreading throughout all time - Alpha Omega.

We cannot currently fathom a Being that transcends time, but that is exactly what our Creator Is - beyond the restraints of time. Perhaps if we know Him we can begin to look beyond time.

a reply to: Raggedyman

With regards to my spiritual practice damn straight faith in my ancestors. With regards to science? Nope I read the papers, I evaluate the data, etc. As I have repeatedly said Science has an intellecutal honesty, in that if it is found to be wrong, it will change what it thinks to what appears to be correct. Based on the data. If frauds are found, like Andrew Wakefield for example, they tend to not publish again, or work again for that matter. Brutal? Tough.

a reply to: Barcs

Yeah you are right Barcs

At least I am not pretending my religion is a science, not like you are doing

I cam pile the evidence that the science behind evolution is a bonfire of lies and your response, no

I guess the best thing is, no matter your claims, evolution is not an accepted science by the majority

a reply to: Raggedyman

Ahh here we go again. The big lie that "science is a religion" never you mid that it does not fit the requirements, firstly that for something to be a religion, it relies on faith. Science is based on evidence, etc etc

We've done this monkey dance many many times.

I see you edited it out, but none of us are terrified of "God" indeed Christians are the ones who are "God FEARing". I donb't fear my deities of worship, I respect them.

a reply to: Raggedyman

science isn't a religion. Facts and evidence do not consitute faith.

So you take all of the evidence that scientists have worked so hard to uncover and say they are garbage and lies. Why would they lie ? What would be gained by this supposed cover up?

But you take the words of a 2,000 year old book that defies logic and reason as truth. That makes sense. Not!

a reply to: Noinden

Heh "God fearing" that translates to the abhorrence of evil...
It does not mean fear of God...
Just thought I'd clear that misinterpretation up...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Noinden

Heh "God fearing" that translates to the abhorrence of evil...
It does not mean fear of God...
Just thought I'd clear that misinterpretation up...

then why is it called "god fearing" if it doesnt mean fear of god?

a reply to: 5StarOracle

That is the modern interpretation A tad revisionist. Via Old English godfyrht, it means "reverencing and obeying God," not quite what you are implying

a reply to: TzarChasm

Because it does mean fearing he will go all Saddam and Gomorrah on your arse

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm

Did you miss the discussion about infinity or do you like others think it doesn't exist as well

Some things are beyond mortal minds, or don't you believe that either.

somehow, i dont think you are the local authority on infinity.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: TzarChasm

Because it does mean fearing he will go all Saddam and Gomorrah on your arse

a reply to: Noinden

That's saying the same thing with different words...
Avoiding sin...
That's another way to say the same thing...
None of them means to be afraid of God...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Again it is a modern interpretation. You obey Jehovah/Allah out of fear of what will happen (Hell). There is fear involved. You can dress it up as "God is love" yet the scriptures do not back this up. Big deal, deities can be bastards, and it might be their job. I certainly respect my Deities of worship. Hell An Morrigan is not the most forgiving sort. But fear? Nah.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Noinden

That's saying the same thing with different words...
Avoiding sin...
That's another way to say the same thing...
None of them means to be afraid of God...

avoiding sin because you are afraid of eternal damnation. and who is issuing this damnation? give ya three guesses...