The Bible Taught us a lot of Astronomy

a reply to: FearYourMind



I was raised as a Christian.

So yeah, I've read the New Testament. The New Testament God is even more evil than the Old Testament one. It's Jesus and the New Testament that introduce the idea of an eternal punishment (Hell). In the Old Testament the afterlife is Sheoul, the realm of the dead, the grave, the pit, where both righteous and wicked go (except in Ecclesiastes where there is no afterlife at all). Jesus talks more about Hell than anyone in the Bible and the entire New Testament ends with God wreaking havoc on Earth, slaughtering people left and right before he damns most of them to an eternity of agony.

But, this thread is about the people of the Old Testament who somehow knew the Earth was circular and floated in a expanding universe

They didn't know those things, your OP has already been debunked entirely, at this point this thread is about how long you can repeat the same nonsense. You are ignorant not just about science but about your own Bible.

a reply to: FearYourMind

How about that the Bible really didn't teach us "a lot of astronomy"?... especially when compared to the totality of the body of knowledge in that field... the Bible at best has a few verses that vaguely reference the cosmos accurately, and then only if you apply "a lot" of interpretation and wordsmithing.

Your original premise is totally flawed... if you were to actually study astronomy, the few references that the Bible does make to outer space is tenuous in its accuracy at best, where it isn't just flat out wrong.

I don't think at any point in history has anyone actually gone to the Bible to scientifically justify anything related to astronomy, the Bible is merely some rudimentary observations, wrapped up in some literary prose, to give the impression of wisdom and knowledge over the plebs... all from a religion apparently created by Satan.

Funny stuff...

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

So you can move on then since you feel the thread is debunked. Have a good day.

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

And no, Jesus did not spend a lot of time talking about hell. Your preacher probably did though.

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

Seems to me that the old testament and the new are like oil and water. The God of the old is certainly not synonymous with the God of the new. Ether that or he/she/it managed to get over there hangover somewhat.

a reply to: andy06shake

Andy my fellow member, I would argue that you do not need
a religion to love your Father in Heaven. you just damn well
don't. I follow Christ because he is amazing and I believe he
is Gods word incarnate. In the flesh. God himself has made
the gift of eternal life so easy we stumble over it. The way I
see it that only leaves those who do not want life.

a reply to: FearYourMind

Tut, tut! Attempting to turn more people away simply because they disagree with you, one wonders why you even posted this garbage if you did not wish people to respond?

a reply to: randyvs

Could not agree more! I just dont subscribe to organised religion myself, although i do find it fascinating.

Each to there own and all that jazz.

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

So yeah, I've read the New Testament. The New Testament God is even more evil than the Old Testament one. It's Jesus and the New Testament that introduce the idea of an eternal punishment (Hell). In the Old Testament the afterlife is Sheoul, the realm of the dead, the grave, the pit, where both righteous and wicked go (except in Ecclesiastes where there is no afterlife at all). Jesus talks more about Hell than anyone in the Bible and the entire New Testament ends with God wreaking havoc on Earth, slaughtering people left and right before he damns most of them to an eternity of agony.

A prime example of people who do not want life.
All because of some daddy issues. They choose to spread this
disinformation and hell born lies.

And you know better Titen.

a reply to: andy06shake

And that's fair enough amigo.

a reply to: randyvs

Which part of my post was a lie Randy?

Did Jesus talk more about Hell then anyone else in the Bible?

Does Revelations end with most of humanity damned?

Have you studied enough of the Old Testament to understand the difference between Sheol and the ancient Jewish concept of death and the afterlife and the Christian conceptions that came later (Heaven and Hell)?

If your response is merely to call me a liar without showing anything I've said to be a lie than it's all merely an ad hominem attack.

Please feel free to say something of substance

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FearYourMind

Tut, tut! Attempting to turn more people away simply because they disagree with you, one wonders why you even posted this garbage if you did not wish people to respond?

When people are rude and ridicule you it tends to annoy them. I apologize for being rude myself. I shouldn't have let it get the best of me. If people could have a civil conversation and express themselves without being a smart a$$ it would be easier to discuss this. There is no need for it. It's trolling, trying to get a rise out of someone. I don't play that game. Mods can close this if they want because I am no longer interested in discussing this topic if people are going to say things like "your fair tail brainwashed mind, man in the sky, you're ignorant..etc". If I wanted that discussion I would go to the YouTube comments.

You can respond and debate the same oppositions without smarting off and making fun of someone's beliefs. There are ways of doing it. It just takes a little bit of empathy.

a reply to: FearYourMind

Seriously, read the New Testament for yourself, Jesus had more to say on the subject of Hell than anyone else.

Do you really think I just make this stuff up?

Before Jesus talks about it in the New Testament there isn't a single mention of an afterlife filled with torture where all mankind would be damned for the sin of Adam - that is NOT a concept found in the Jewish scripture ANYWHERE.

If you don't take my word for it find a devout Jew and ask them or READ YOUR BIBLE!!!!!!!

Sheol

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

Jesus was loving, peaceful and caring. Here is a list of quotes from Jesus. Now show all these hell fire quotes you claim he talks about. He may have a couple, but the majority of quotes from Jesus are positive.

Jesus Quotes

a reply to: FearYourMind

Well at least you seem to have come to your senses and modified you attitude somewhat.

End of the day, having been here before i imagine you should know you need to learn to role with the punches somewhat.

I did not say you were ignorant, i do however think the book which you subscribe to is full or rather a lot of ignorance, self righteousness and down right contradiction aka the old testament, but that's just my opinion.

Have a good day.

a reply to: FearYourMind

"Jesus was loving, peaceful and caring."

Of course he was, the Man loved the hemp.

a reply to: Titen-Sxull

No problem esse! It's nothing I haven't corrected you on before.

right before he damns most of them to an eternity of agony.

An eternity of agony? That's what I was talk'n about.
Funny how you avoided listing that. But it's just a lie
as anyone with your education on the matter knows.
That's why I called it a lie. But would never call you a liar.
Everyone lies, I'm sure you're mature enough to accept that.

a reply to: randyvs

If eternity is agony then any omniscient omnipotent being must be in a lot of pain, just a thought.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FearYourMind

"Jesus was loving, peaceful and caring."

Of course he was, the Man loved the hemp.

Had to star that one.

Now Jesus did speak of hell and describe it in some scriptures:

Matthew 13:42: "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Matt 25:41: "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels." This passage relates to Jesus' judgment of all the world. It describes precisely how Jesus will separate the "sheep" -- those who will spend eternity with God in Heaven -- and the "goats" -- those who will be tortured for all eternity in Hell. The criteria was based on the good works (or lack thereof) of people while they lived on earth. This conflicts with many references in the Christian Scriptures which specify that salvation depends upon one's beliefs, not good works.

Mark 9:43-48: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched." The reference to fire is repeated three more times in the passage for emphasis.

Luke 16:24: "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame." This is a plea described as coming from an inhabitant of Hell.

Revelation 20:13-15: "...hell delivered up the dead which were in them...And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Revelation 21:8: "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." Brimstone is sulphur. In order for sulphur to form a lake, it must be molten. Thus, its temperature must be: