Bernie Sanders. Worse than Isis?

Keep Believing all you want, the fact remains Corporations are bigger than some goverments and without a big enough government they will run even wilder than u can imagine. We are in our way to FASCISM, now or never use your government to defend the nation. Wake the F¥CK UP.
a reply to: AnonymousMoose

a reply to: anarkyangel

But the U.S. Government *is* bigger.

How come they fail so bad?

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: amazing

Yes, really! It is a hypothetical choice aimed at garnering support for Sanders, obviously.

I would take Fiorina, Carson, Walker, Cruz over all three of the above.

Well it's not really a hypothetical choice.

If Clinton Beats Sanders in the Democrat primaries and Bush Beats trump...then we have a 50/50 chance of getting one of them. If Trumps runs independent then Clinton gets it since Trump and Bush will each take republican votes and Clinton will get all the Democrat ones.

We should A. Be propping up someone besides Bush and Trump on the Republican side and B. We should be propping up someone on the Democrat side.

That way we don't have to worry about Bush or Clinton. Don't let your hatred of Sanders get in the way of you stopping Clinton and Bush from getting into the white house. Look at it logically.

a reply to: amazing

Bush is well back in the pack, has almost no grass-root support whatsoever.

There are multiple Republican candidates. That makes your question hypothetical.

Your 'ifs' are hypothetical by definition.

Be logical...

a reply to: nwtrucker

Be logical..

Ya, as logical as comparing Bernie Sanders to ISIS?

Oh, the irony.

a reply to: anarkyangel

The enemy isn't corporations. It's the politicians that empower them. And you want to make the gov't mechanism that empowers them even bigger????

LMAO

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: amazing

Bush is well back in the pack, has almost no grass-root support whatsoever.

There are multiple Republican candidates. That makes your question hypothetical.

Your 'ifs' are hypothetical by definition.

Be logical...

Bush is still getting lots of headlines. When you say back of the pack, I think he's polling in third place in most of them only behind Trump and Carson. I don't think Carson will last halfway through the primary...just an analysis. And Clinton is still ahead in most polls. I'm not far off in my analysis.

A thread against Sanders or anyone on the left is really an endorsement for Clinton. Keep that in mind. Who do you want on the left? Think Sanders is worse than Clinton? or Bush?

a reply to: nwtrucker

The enemy isn't corporations. It's the politicians that empower them. And you want to make the gov't mechanism that empowers them even bigger????

LMAO

It's both. And they are in bed together. The corporations OWN the politicians who 'empower' them.

Do you really not understand this?
Did you watch the two debates last night?

Yes, the corporations ARE the enemy, and the politicians ARE the corporations' infantry.
Both of which I fundamentally DISAGREE with (politicans and corporate lobbyists). I was very glad to see several of the hopefuls saying that the system IS CORRUPT. They speak the truth. At least they're willing to recognize and acknowledge it.......

But - Except for a handful of the (absurdly huge number of) candidates, they all talk about MORE MILITARY! FEWER TAXES! DON'T EVEN SPEAK TO PUTIN! GIVE ISRAEL MORE BOMBS!


No. It's disgusting. Let the Middle East sort it out themselves. Paul is the only one who said that.

Yet, I'm still trying to digest it all; been watching the tapes of last night's "debates" since 8am (US central time), and still not quite done....45 minutes to go.....had to take a break.

I have not looked at "who won? and who lost?" media assessment things. I went straight to the source.

The majority of those people on stage (both of the teams) make me feel like I might retch.



Of the choices in the GOP, I would choose Rand Paul (even though he looks like he's 13 years old and needs to do something about his hairdo) or Trump (who also needs to address the hairdo thing).

The rest of them are unworthy of attention.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: amazing

Bush is well back in the pack, has almost no grass-root support whatsoever.

There are multiple Republican candidates. That makes your question hypothetical.

Your 'ifs' are hypothetical by definition.

Be logical...

Here's some logic for ya....grassroots don't mean jack *+*+, since when has logic ever been a component of the political process?

The election process has been dead since the neocons took over with "W" we don't have elections anymore; we have a selection process, controlled by the military industrial complex. You really need to research the current reality outside the Bill O, Hannity and Rush L. mind set.
The main purpose of Fox is to make people more stupid.

I have real money that says Jeb has already been selected on a country club golf course in Orange county a couple of years ago.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: amazing

Bush is well back in the pack, has almost no grass-root support whatsoever.

There are multiple Republican candidates. That makes your question hypothetical.

Your 'ifs' are hypothetical by definition.

Be logical...

Here's some logic for ya....grassroots don't mean jack ****

The election process has been dead since the neocons took over with "W" we don't have elections anymore; we have a selection process, controlled by the military industrial complex. You really need to research the current reality outside the Bill O, Hannity and Rush L. mind set.

I have real money the Jeb has already been selected on a country club golf course in Orange county a couple of years ago.

I kind of agree with you. He will be the chosen one and I kind of think Hillary was already selected for the left side. Biden is the secondary choice of the left. Not sure about the right...Jindal and walker will do what they're told if elected.

That's the pre-determined choice we've been given. Sanders and Trump or Carson or Whomever will unsettle things. We have to get someone outside of the circle this time.

a reply to: amazing

A thread against Sanders or anyone on the left is really an endorsement for Clinton. Keep that in mind. Who do you want on the left? Think Sanders is worse than Clinton? or Bush?

Can't speak for anyone else, and I know you didn't ask me:

Sanders is BY FAR AND AWAY the most electable of the Dem candidates. Hillary is toast; Bush (not a Dem)...also toast (although I feel a bit sorry for him) has become more 'energetic' and assertive FAR TOO LATE.

And who is the other guy? Oh, Martin O'Malley? That's his name, right?

Ok, so on the left, we have Sanders and Clinton.

On the right, we have Paul and Trump who I might possibly appreciate. My opinion is NO to Clinton. That leaves Sanders. As for the others??

No.
Just, no.

Okay, yeah - I just tuned back in again - now they're talking about marijuana.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I will agree that they are in bed together. They are not, however, the enemy.

There is no mechanism that replaces Corporations. Unless one is a communist. That one has proven not to work every time it's tried.

SOME corporations are in need of a serious slap on the wrist. NONE of the political candidates seem willing to do anything about that. That includes Sanders who 'says' he's against the TPP but won't publish the member corporation's names, yet will 16 corporations that he points out as disingenuous in what gov't should cut.(Rightly)

The fix isn't calling corporation the enemy. Unless your a communist.

The fix is having elected individuals that hold the CONSTITUTION higher than any "ISM", whatsoever.

Yes it is nigh impossible task...but, AT LEAST it IS a fix. Calling corporations the 'enemy' is nothing more than promoting your own "ism" whatever that one is.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

SOME corporations are in need of a serious slap on the wrist. NONE of the political candidates seem willing to do anything about that. That includes Sanders who 'says' he's against the TPP but won't publish the member corporation's names, yet will 16 corporations that he points out as disingenuous in what gov't should cut.(Rightly)

What makes you think he has that information or that he could release it even if he did???

Even then if he did have it and did release it what good would it do??? Most people in America haven't even heard of it or know anything about it. Even if they did they probably wouldn't care anyway and wouldn't understand the significance of it.

a reply to: nwtrucker

There's a term for that exact principle!

It's DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM.

a reply to: nwtrucker

SOME corporations are in need of a serious slap on the wrist.

No, all of them are.

NONE of the political candidates seem willing to do anything about that.

Wrong

That includes Sanders

Nope! It doesn't.

Bernie has said over and over: not just SOME of the mega-global corporations who evade taxes, or SOME of the CEOs who hoard their wealth in off-shore havens....

ALL OF THEM. Just like Iceland did - talk about illegals!!!! Round up these tax-cheater oligarchs and Wall Street sharks and send them packing......for prison......THAT is what needs to happen. Now.

a reply to: MOMof3

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to my paycheck just because you want it? Where in the constitution does it say govt has a right to make me buy healt insurance?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: MOMof3

Where in the constitution does it say you have a right to my paycheck just because you want it? Where in the constitution does it say govt has a right to make me buy healt insurance?

Taxing and Spending Clause
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution

a reply to: mOjOm

There's more than enough out here that do know about it. It was posted earlier on a video from MSNBC that discussed it with Sanders and Obama. So spare us the spin that it isn't known enough.

How could he rationally discuss it without know what it entails, who are the participating Corporations are. If he can't disclose it, why can't he?? Pure bull and spin.

I notice how you avoid the point of my post. The Constitution as senior to an 'ism'. Hello? Socialism, communism , capitalism.

I could care less what Iceland names their version, good on them, we have the Constitution. It is superior to any ism. Period.

Sanders dissed the Constitution by calling it based on racist principals. FACT. The reason he did so was to trump it with his 'ism' Socialism'.

As there is such a thing as too much of a 'good thing'. Too much capitalism, too much socialism...or whatever the new spin label is for it...hint, hint, the Constitution has already proven an ability in the past to keep things in a workable BALANCE.

Any political candidate that denigrates the very document that he would take an oath to defend and protect has disqualified himself from attaining the office of the Presidency. No matter what the intent is or some passible to good ideas he may also have.

The dude is TOAST. Done. NOT qualified. He is an enemy to the foundation of this nation. The Constitution. I hold him is the same area code as Isis, radical Islamists, anarchists and any other radical and destructive group out there you care to name.

The Constitution is the route to fixing this mess. NOT replacing one ism for another ism.

a reply to: mOjOm

Brilliant.
Here's the thing: Source

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

This is for ThirdEye......^^


Yeah, there's plenty more to Section. 8. I decided to omit the parts that glazed eyes won't read anyway.....

I weep for this country.