Bernie Sanders. Worse than Isis?

a reply to: nwtrucker

What spin?? I'm asking. What 16 corps are you talking about in the first place???

Why would he have that info?? Did he say he does??? Where did he say it??

I'm not spinning anything, I'm asking you.

According to KOS.

How the Hell Is It Illegal to Read or Talk About TPP?

1) No one is allowed to read the TPP except members of Congress.

2) Members of Congress can only read it if they go to a locked room in the basement or some other seriously sketchy place and they can only do so if they take some sacred blood oath to not only not reproduce any portions but also to never discuss what it is they have read.

Maybe this has something to do with it??

a reply to: nwtrucker

Pure bull and spin.

Like, in a China shop? Is that what you're getting at????

a reply to: olaru12

You really need to research the current reality outside the Bill O, Hannity and Rush L. mind set.
The main purpose of Fox is to make people more stupid.

Yeah.

And Tucker Carlson - what a tool!!!!!

But, don't forget Glenn B. He might be their reject, but he's still shooting off his stupid mouth. *
*gag*

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
But, don't forget Glenn B. He might be their reject, but he's still shooting off his stupid mouth.

*gag*

Glenn Beck seriously has lost his hold on reality. He also needs to stop pretending to be a news guy or whatever it is he thinks he's doing and just become a damn preacher already.

All he ever does anymore is preach doomsday BS and Religious nonsense. Everyday he's predicting "we're at the crossroads now", "now it begins", "it's right around the corner", etc. Really Glenn???? How can everyday be the day we choose our fate??? What happened to all those previous days when they were the crossroads???

a reply to: mOjOm

I KNOW!!! Right?

Absurd.

I've posted this before, and I stole it from another member, but ------

this is how I feel reading these threads, and watching these 'shows', and reading the 'news':

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think the 16th Amendment was what made it "legal" to take tax from individuals without apportioning it among the states.

The original language was a problem.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Glenn Beck's Nightmare he has every single night.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: olaru12

You really need to research the current reality outside the Bill O, Hannity and Rush L. mind set.
The main purpose of Fox is to make people more stupid.

Yeah.

And Tucker Carlson - what a tool!!!!!

But, don't forget Glenn B. He might be their reject, but he's still shooting off his stupid mouth. *
*gag*

Not to jump on the bandwagon...LOL...I can't help myself. I had 20 minutes in the car to kill yesterday so I did it listening to Michael Savage. LOL Wow...you think Beck has lost his mind, try savage!

a reply to: nwtrucker

The Constitution is a political system. Like Democracy, Republic, Monarchy, Aristocracy, Dictatorship, Democratic Republic, and Parliamentary.

Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, and all the rest are economic systems. Neither has anything to do with the other.

originally posted by: mOjOm
Glenn Beck seriously has lost his hold on reality. He also needs to stop pretending to be a news guy or whatever it is he thinks he's doing and just become a damn preacher already.

All he ever does anymore is preach doomsday BS and Religious nonsense. Everyday he's predicting "we're at the crossroads now", "now it begins", "it's right around the corner", etc. Really Glenn???? How can everyday be the day we choose our fate??? What happened to all those previous days when they were the crossroads???

I've listened to Glenn Beck off and on since his radio show first went national. Until the time Fox gave him a show he was actually pretty reasonable though he had some callers that were out there. Remember he used to do parts on Coast to Coast so he pulled in a lot of that crowd. Once he went mainstream his show stayed relatively sane but his TV show was devoid of any credibility. I think his ego went to his head lately, the other people on his show with him (who have been there since the beginning) are still mostly grounded in reality I think but Beck has gone crazy.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: nwtrucker

The Constitution is a political system. Like Democracy, Republic, Monarchy, Aristocracy, Dictatorship, Democratic Republic, and Parliamentary.

Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, and all the rest are economic systems. Neither has anything to do with the other.

How do you get one to work without the other?

a reply to: xuenchen

They work in tandem. The political system determines the rules to how things are done. The economic system determines how the money flows. Without a political system to create opportunity for merchants and education for future workers the economic system won't be viable. Without an economic system to create wealth for the populace and the state, there will be no money to motivate people to work.

The economic system we ultimately choose is completely separate from the Constitution.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Do you even know what the constitution says?

You obviously dont.

Sanders is perfectly operating within it.

As much as I might disgree with some of his policies, he is working with in the system.

As for welfare and Universal healthcare? The Constitution does not cover them either way.
So really unless a amendment is made to the constitution that forbids them, the federal government is well within its right to implement or take them away.


To say a 75 year old man with political views you disgree with is in the same league as a IS animal rampaging throw the ME, rapeing and beheading people make me question somewhat your intellectual capacity.

a reply to: crazyewok

Probably due to your hidebound, British inability to think outside the box.

You, as usual, avoid the point of the thread. Having a candidate that disparages the founding of the nation as based on racist principals and therefore the binding document, The Constitution, that articulates the principals of the nation and expect an oath to defend that document as required to become President from Sanders is a joke.

If one believes the only accord that keeps this 'nation' a nation is that Constitution then electing an individual that, as he said, "has a vision" and see the founding of the U.S. as racist, then his election could very well be the final straw that brings this nation into chaos and collapse.

If that resulting collapse is only semantically different from the desires of other enemies of the U.S.-Isis being the extreme example-then using it to point out the insanity of supporting a man who admits to that intent is well worth it.

Are the means different? Of course! Yet, it remains, if the result is the same or even remotely similar then that similarity merits being pointed out.

You know exactly what I said, where I'm coming from, I acknowledge your intelligence.

Not a single point made by the Sanders acolytes changes what he said and the consequences of that statement.

As far as 'universal health care' try the tenth. Numerous states have already nullified, ignored or counter legislated against Federal intrusions/laws and with virtually no response from the Feds. Pot laws being the latest.

These are state issues and frankly, you can keep your British Empire, centralized power DNA to yourself. It is an abject failure.

a reply to: nwtrucker

You're taking what he (Sanders) said completely out of context, are taking this to extreme levels of idiotic conspiracy and have yet to apply the very thing needed that you claimed to uphold.

Logic.

You're comparing Sanders to ISIS. Think about that for a second before you knee-jerk some silly response.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Probably due to your hidebound, British inability to think outside the box.

More of a case of Im not in the box to begun with so talking from a position with little bias.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
You, as usual, avoid the point of the thread. Having a candidate that disparages the founding of the nation as based on racist principals and therefore the binding document, The Constitution, that articulates the principals of the nation and expect an oath to defend that document as required to become President from Sanders is a joke.

The FIRST amendment of the US constitutions specifically says Sanders can!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
If one believes the only accord that keeps this 'nation' a nation is that Constitution then electing an individual that, as he said, "has a vision" and see the founding of the U.S. as racist, then his election could very well be the final straw that brings this nation into chaos and collapse.

Then its your job to vote against him then. I wouldn't to be honest blame you.

If your thread was "reasons I wont vote for sanders" I would likely not be mocking you right now.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
If that resulting collapse is only semantically different from the desires of other enemies of the U.S.-Isis being the extreme example-then using it to point out the insanity of supporting a man who admits to that intent is well worth it.

Are the means different? Of course! Yet, it remains, if the result is the same or even remotely similar then that similarity merits being pointed out.

No all its done is make you and your argument look stupid.

And not just to the "left" but to many of the smarter right wingers and conservatives.

Hyperbol just discredits your position and makes you look like a Rush Limbaugh. All your doing is distracting from debate of REAL issues.

Here is a good thread disscusing Real issues

originally posted by: nwtrucker
You know exactly what I said, where I'm coming from, I acknowledge your intelligence.

I can see were your coming from.

Your using the tactic of using shock tactics and exaggeration to force home a point (You should consider a job as FOX "News").

Great for stiring up the unintelligible rabble. Not so great is people are around to see through the BS.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Not a single point made by the Sanders acolytes changes what he said and the consequences of that statement.

No but Sanders is still ENTITLED by the first amendment of the US constitution to say what he did.

He has committed no crime or killed no one.

All he had are words.

No Bombs, Machetes and No AK47's

If you dont like what he says? Well you can vote against him as is you right as a US citizen.

If anything you should overjoyed Sanders has said what he has! Least he is honest and you know EXACTLY were and how he stands! So you know you dont want to vote for him!

If only George W Bush had been so honest about his intentions for he patriot act or Obama with all the crap he done?

Least with Sanders you get what you see. And if you dont like it (and I dont blame you if you dont)? Well you have that vote of yours!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
As far as 'universal health care' try the tenth. Numerous states have already nullified, ignored or counter legislated against Federal intrusions/laws and with virtually no response from the Feds. Pot laws being the latest.

Well that between states and constitutional lawyers. In fact that why you have the Judicial branch of your government.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
These are state issues and frankly, you can keep your British Empire, centralized power DNA to yourself. It is an abject failure.

Failure?

I didn't know failure was being around nearly 800 nears longer than the USA?

I didn't know failure was being one of the only European country's to survive in one piece?

I didn't know failure was having one of the most balanced and stable domestic and social history in the west?

I didn't know failure was having the worlds longest lasting MODERN democracy?

I didn't know failure was having the developed worlds currently FASTED growing and STABLE economy?

If the UK is a failure....god knows what the USA is with its 18 trillion dollar debt, stagnant economy and civil unrest!


Of course I dont think the UK centrist systems would work in the USA. Your too bloody big!
But it seems to have worked for us throughout our nearly 1000 years of history. Especially since a tiny resource poor country with only 60 million is in the top 5 economy's and military's in the world. Hardly I would say failed...... We must be at least doing SOMETHING right!

a reply to: crazyewok

STILL you avoid the point and his comment. Your freaking amazing....LMAO.

I consider the destruction of the nation as anything but hyperbole. As a matter of fact, a very large number see it as inevitable.

I understand the British fixation on understatement and decorum. ATS is "Hyde Park".

I see the Constitution- the original form and intent-as the binding force of this nation and trumping, usually, the 'isms'.

Anyone who would claim the mantle of the Presidency cannot, BY DEFINITION, defame that Document. Period.

Not withstanding previous Presidents who have misused it for their own ends, at least it was after they were elected. Not a bold statement prior to their potential winning.

There is a point of decorum you avoid.

Do you lack the capacity for response to the point? I challenge you to respond to it rather than ducking into the never ending minutia of Constitutional interpretation as is your wont.

Or, as they say on this side of the pond, "put up or shut up"....

originally posted by: nwtrucker

STILL you avoid the point and his comment. Your freaking amazing....LMAO.

I know Im GD amazing!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
I consider the destruction of the nation as anything but hyperbole. As a matter of fact, a very large number see it as inevitable.

I understand the British fixation on understatement and decorum. ATS is "Hyde Park".

I see the Constitution- the original form and intent-as the binding force of this nation and trumping, usually, the 'isms'.

Anyone who would claim the mantle of the Presidency cannot, BY DEFINITION, defame that Document. Period.

YES he actually can!

Do you even know your own constitution?

SANDERS CAN CONSTITUTIONALLY SAY WHAT EVER THE HELL HE LIKES!

He is entitled to stand on any platform he likes!

It your job if you dont like it to vote against him!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Not withstanding previous Presidents who have misused it for their own ends, at least it was after they were elected. Not a bold statement prior to their potential winning.

If anything THAT worse! You cant do anything about that! And they outright lied!


Least with Sander you know EXACTLY his stance and you CAN actually do something about him....vote against him!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Do you lack the capacity for response to the point? I challenge you to respond to it rather than ducking into the never ending minutia of Constitutional interpretation as is your wont.

So because I actually HAVE read your Constitution and you haven't you resent me using that same document you espouse to invalidate your argument?

Its not focusing on the "minutia of Constitutional", you first amendment out right says Sanders is entitled to stand on any platform he likes and espouse any view he likes!

What would you do have him arrested for sedition and carted off to gitmo?

originally posted by: nwtrucker

Or, as they say on this side of the pond, "put up or shut up"....

Which is actually your options with sanders until the election!

LEGALY Sanders is operating within the law and US constitution.

Just because you disagree with him does not make it any less legal.

Until you get a chance to vote your option are to put up or shut up.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Probably due to your hidebound, British inability to think outside the box.

More of a case of Im not in the box to begun with so talking from a position with little bias.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
You, as usual, avoid the point of the thread. Having a candidate that disparages the founding of the nation as based on racist principals and therefore the binding document, The Constitution, that articulates the principals of the nation and expect an oath to defend that document as required to become President from Sanders is a joke.

The FIRST amendment of the US constitutions specifically says Sanders can!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
If one believes the only accord that keeps this 'nation' a nation is that Constitution then electing an individual that, as he said, "has a vision" and see the founding of the U.S. as racist, then his election could very well be the final straw that brings this nation into chaos and collapse.

Then its your job to vote against him then. I wouldn't to be honest blame you.

If your thread was "reasons I wont vote for sanders" I would likely not be mocking you right now.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
If that resulting collapse is only semantically different from the desires of other enemies of the U.S.-Isis being the extreme example-then using it to point out the insanity of supporting a man who admits to that intent is well worth it.

Are the means different? Of course! Yet, it remains, if the result is the same or even remotely similar then that similarity merits being pointed out.

No all its done is make you and your argument look stupid.

And not just to the "left" but to many of the smarter right wingers and conservatives.

Hyperbol just discredits your position and makes you look like a Rush Limbaugh. All your doing is distracting from debate of REAL issues.

Here is a good thread disscusing Real issues

originally posted by: nwtrucker
You know exactly what I said, where I'm coming from, I acknowledge your intelligence.

I can see were your coming from.

Your using the tactic of using shock tactics and exaggeration to force home a point (You should consider a job as FOX "News").

Great for stiring up the unintelligible rabble. Not so great is people are around to see through the BS.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Not a single point made by the Sanders acolytes changes what he said and the consequences of that statement.

No but Sanders is still ENTITLED by the first amendment of the US constitution to say what he did.

He has committed no crime or killed no one.

All he had are words.

No Bombs, Machetes and No AK47's

If you dont like what he says? Well you can vote against him as is you right as a US citizen.

If anything you should overjoyed Sanders has said what he has! Least he is honest and you know EXACTLY were and how he stands! So you know you dont want to vote for him!

If only George W Bush had been so honest about his intentions for he patriot act or Obama with all the crap he done?

Least with Sanders you get what you see. And if you dont like it (and I dont blame you if you dont)? Well you have that vote of yours!

originally posted by: nwtrucker
As far as 'universal health care' try the tenth. Numerous states have already nullified, ignored or counter legislated against Federal intrusions/laws and with virtually no response from the Feds. Pot laws being the latest.

Well that between states and constitutional lawyers. In fact that why you have the Judicial branch of your government.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
These are state issues and frankly, you can keep your British Empire, centralized power DNA to yourself. It is an abject failure.

Failure?

I didn't know failure was being around nearly 800 nears longer than the USA?

I didn't know failure was being one of the only European country's to survive in one piece?

I didn't know failure was having one of the most balanced and stable domestic and social history in the west?

I didn't know failure was having the worlds longest lasting MODERN democracy?

I didn't know failure was having the developed worlds currently FASTED growing and STABLE economy?

If the UK is a failure....god knows what the USA is with its 18 trillion dollar debt, stagnant economy and civil unrest!


Of course I dont think the UK centrist systems would work in the USA. Your too bloody big!
But it seems to have worked for us throughout our nearly 1000 years of history. Especially since a tiny resource poor country with only 60 million is in the top 5 economy's and military's in the world. Hardly I would say failed...... We must be at least doing SOMETHING right!

Oh really? No civil unrest in the U.K.? Really? Flat-lined industry is very stable, I agree and has the potential for growth...

Yea, the U.S. is too bloody big...as was your "Empire" that was what I was referring to. Not the shell that remains... Frankly, in that sense, you then agree that the ballooning Federalism is doomed to failure?

I never questioned his right to say what he did, his honesty is trumped by the stupidity of it. The implication of agenda is clear.

As further misuse of the Constitution, especially as we sit with as you say, 18 trillion in debt, then further debt via universal health care will improve the situation? Or rather a feel-good sugar-coated enticement for votes that empower more 'ism' agenda?

This nation sits on the precipice. The only, ONLY, hope I see is that Constitution. I stand by the title of the thread.