Bernie Sanders. Worse than Isis?

a reply to: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

Actually, I don't disagree with that very much, at all. Except I consider the demise of the Constitution the end of the U.S. of A..

When I see a candidate actually disparaging that Constitution in a political speech while running for the Office of the President of the United States of America whose job is to preserve and protect that document and swears to do so in his oath of office and there is no WTF?? from media or Americans??

Good intentions Vs. sociopaths ? What's the difference if both end up in the same place? NONE.

None seem to see that. I am stunned.

This country is already finished and doesn't even know it.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Oh really? What has Hillary of Sanders done/said anything about the TPP or foreign policy that's out of line with Obama?

Stop the TPP


Defeat the Trans-Pacific Partnership

a reply to: mOjOm

Well, I'm surprised by this, truth be told. I hadn't seen this and at first glance it is impressive. I don't watch MSNBC for obvious reasons. ( There are a multitude on the right, what you call the extreme right, that are adamantly opposed to the TPP, by the way, including myself.)

The thought that followed, reasonable or not, was then publish the names of each Corporation that is involved in the TPP. Every one of them. They would, of course be boycotted by the people and suffer huge losses on in the market place.

If his comments are honest, for me that jury will be out pending results, then perhaps he has some decent ideas. I would consider listening to him more.

That was before his comments on the Constitution. That is, in my view, far worse than supporting the TPP which is potentially fatal in and of itself.

No Constitution? No accord amongst the states. No nation. Period.

Of course Sanders isn't that bad. He's a pretty decent guy with some good policy ideas. Note I didn't say I liked all of his ideas. Also keep in mind that even if we got a "Socialist" in the Oval office, America would not become a socialist nation...we still have two other branches of government and we still have Democrats and Republicans. And by a lot of definitions, USA has some socialist policies already in place by both Democrats and Republicans.

Now on to the Horror. I envision this....Clinton Beats Sanders and everyone else because everyone is afraid of the big bad socialist. Bush wins the Nomination because of all the money and attack ads on Trump, then Trump decides to run as an independent. Trump takes a lot of Republican votes away from Bush but none of the moderate and Democrat votes from Clinton and Clinton wins the white house. Or second scenario...Bush wins over trump and bush wins over Clinton...too many scandals, whether real or perceived.

If you're honest with yourselves, you'd all rather have Sanders than Bush or Clinton. Yes?

a reply to: nwtrucker

Ok, here's a little something just for fun. This is just for you nwtrucker. I think you'll enjoy this. This guy is classic!!

**WARNING-THE FOLLOWING VIDEO CONTAINS GRAPHIC LANGUAGE***

What was said.

"I would hope and I believe that every person in this room today understands that it is unacceptable to judge people, to discriminate against people based on the color of their skin. And I would also say that as a nation, the truth is, that our nation which in many ways was created - now I'm sorry to have to say this - from way back, on racist principles. That's a fact."

In my humble opinion and with all respect and civility to the opinion of anyone who disagrees, there is a huge difference between saying all of the founders were racists and that therefore America was founded by racists and he wants a "war" against "the very fabric/idea of America," and what he actually said. Which was that in many ways our nation was created on racist principles.

"In many ways" does not mean universally, or even primarily. Nor does it say anything about the constitution or the "idea of America" in the general sense. It means that a deep vein of racist thinking runs through our nation's history - whether specifically held by our founders or their successors or not - and was a part of the early fabric of American life, as evidenced by the fact that overt racism and slavery were the status quo and considered socially acceptable for a long, long time.

This is self-evident imho in the fact that it took 87 years from the nation's founding until the Emancipation Proclamation, and an additional 100 years for African Americans (and others, an oft overlooked note) to receive something close to full civil rights.

I can and do respect the views of those who disagree, and will not engage in a debate about it as I'm heading to bed and I lack interest in doing so. But that's my interpretation and opinion, and in that opinion, America being "in many ways" created on racist principles is not an unfair of inaccurate statement. Nor a declaration of war on the idea of America. If anything, it is an acknowledgement that we've come a long way through the iterative, amendable nature of our Republic, and that we still have a ways to go as well.

That's pretty consistent with the "idea of America" in my book. Again, feel free to disagree.

G'nite.

Peace.

a reply to: conspiracy nut
Women all over the world had no rights in many places they are still second class citizens. It' not the fault of the Constitution which happens to be the best in the world snd through the ages. People like Bernie are just wanting a socialist utopia that's all that's happening with it.

Feel the bern, what a joke, unless you're talking about feeling the money Bern. I heard it would cost 17 trillion with a T to implement all the policies he's talked about. I could care less what he has to say, because the only way out of the mess we're in is smaller government and smaller budgets, not astronomically bigger ones. You Bernie supporters are the lefts equivalent of the Evangelicals you rail on about being the US's taliban. If this guy wins, wrap it up the USA is done, start calling us North Mexico, we'll be third world before he's gone.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Please tell me where in the constitution where is says, no universal health care, no free college tuition, no taxes. What has to happen for any law, like ACA, it has to go through the legal process set up by the constitution. How is that socialism?

ETA: My point is, Bernie will not be a dictator if he is elected by the people of the United States. Nor Trump. Bernie Sanders is a good human and the rarest of all, a decent politician. The word socialist does not make people go all incontinent anymore.

originally posted by: EverydayInVA
Feel the bern, what a joke, unless you're talking about feeling the money Bern. I heard it would cost 17 trillion with a T to implement all the policies he's talked about. I could care less what he has to say, because the only way out of the mess we're in is smaller government and smaller budgets, not astronomically bigger ones. You Bernie supporters are the lefts equivalent of the Evangelicals you rail on about being the US's taliban. If this guy wins, wrap it up the USA is done, start calling us North Mexico, we'll be third world before he's gone.

That's 17 trillion over 10 years, so 1.7 trillion per year, additionally 14 of that 17 trillion or 1.4 out of 1.7 trillion per year is in health care spending that's already being spent on our current insurance premiums. The remaining 3 trillion is covered in a 6 trillion tax increase, meaning his plan would not only be paid for but lower the national debt

a reply to: mOjOm

The one thing that bugged me about the MSNBC video was naming the 'right' as the culprits in the TPP issue. The fact is the support for the TPP in both parties. The vast majority of the protest to the TPP that I've seen comes from the Tea Party than anywhere else.

In the video below, Sanders names what(?) 16 CEOs for contributing to the deficit-while valid- and names Corporations as the culprits. This still smacks of a left wing diatribe. The reason being is it's the job of these CEOs to produce and increase profits, quarterly reviewed by the boards and the shareholders. If you give a dog a bone, he will bury it. That's his nature.

The problem isn't the CEOs. It's the politicians that empower it! Both parties. Yet he is 'lauded' for not 'attacking' candidates or those that are responsible for allowing these "dogs" to bury their bones.

If he can name 16 CEOs, then he can name the member Corporations that comprise the TPP legislation. He can name the Clinton trust fund and that conduit that lines Hillary's and Bill's pockets.

He can name them, but continues playing the left's agenda. Sorry, he hasn't earned my trust and looks to me to be one slick SOB..

www.trueactivist.com...

a reply to: MOMof3

How is it not socialism? When did the concept of Freebie from the Federal Gov't ever come into play?

It is a state issue. Oh, that's right, the states were bribed by the feds to allow this to occur before the Feds could now bribe the voters with freebies...

a reply to: AceWombat04

You make good points, Nothing in your post excuses the fact that he said nothing to embrace the Constitution, to uphold it or anything positive to create even an image of balance.

It was and is, without any clarification from him, a disparaging comment about the document he is running for office that's has as it's prime function the preservation of that document.

It at best opens the door to an implementation of his "vision"-which he didn't explain-as senior to that document.

Still, that's your call. Without that Constitution, there is no nation. I couldn't vote for Mother Teresa if she were running with the same philosophy.

a reply to: nwtrucker

When did the concept of Freebie from the Federal Gov't ever come into play?

When people's taxes pay for it is it really a freebie?

a reply to: nwtrucker

I don't know how to respond to this because it diverts too far from my own question. If we went by every letter of the constitution we women would never gotten the vote, cause it never says women, it says men.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I guess it is easy to be weary of universal healthcare when you think that is what the ACA is.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Yes the TPP does have support from both sides however here is the Yay's and Nay's on the fast tracking of it.


As you can see the overwhelming support came from the Republicans (48 Rep. vs. 12 Dem. out of 60 or 1 Dem. for every 5 Reps. voting yes.)

While the No votes were 5 Rep. vs. 32 Dem. out of 37 or approx. 1 Rep. for every 7 Dems. voting No.

That isn't exactly an even balance as you can plainly see. However, I'm not trying to diminish the Democratic support for it being that it was Obama that pushed so hard to get it through.

Oddly enough the Republicans have stonewalled Obama at every turn for the last 6 years yet with this they were all too chummy to fall in line.

originally posted by: nwtrucker


How is it not socialism? When did the concept of Freebie from the Federal Gov't ever come into play?

It is a state issue. Oh, that's right, the states were bribed by the feds to allow this to occur before the Feds could now bribe the voters with freebies...

Right after the US of A won it's independence from England the US Colonies began the freebies, it started with land grants (free land).

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

It is a stretch and it isn't. Look at all the other Great Societies that were founded in the ideas of Marx and went really, really wrong deciding that removing inconvenient portions of their population would be part of their five year solutions.

You think that concentration camps for "librels" isn't in the mindset of the far right? The last time the far right took over in Germany, its EXACTLY what they did.

a reply to: nwtrucker

Won't lie, love Bernie and trump. Love anyone throwing a monkey wrench in the political works, not enough to vote for them. Don't really agree with much of what he says or anyone running for that matter. Think he would be an economic disaster for the country. Appreciate he is honest about his views though.

I can see the point being made, a bit of a stretch to me , more for sensentional and shock value than anything. It's politics though. We have our Nazis, racists, Mao and pol clones, Marxist, communist manifesto lovers, and so on. Just another label. It is what it is.