FOX News: Transgender girl drops class after 200 protest for and against her.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Domo1

I'm surprised women ever get into relationships and have sex with men if that's the case.

Are you trying to be snarky about the PTSD rape victims suffer? It's a very real thing, and horrifying for the person suffering.

Many women have an incredibly difficult time being sexually intimate after something like that, and for some it may take years and years if they even decide to start dating again.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Yeah, it's a bad situation. Given the three options (I would pick something else) the best is for the transgender person to have a facility they can use even if they do so alone.

Schools really should have gender neutral bathrooms with shower stalls. We don't expect to have people watch us poop, why should we not be able to shower in private too?

a reply to: EKron

I posted to the local Fox affiliate's article. She was using the faculty restroom, but when she signed up for PE, she decided to use the girls' locker room and shower facility to fit in more.

So, yes, she was using her own facility.

a reply to: Domo1

Are you trying to be snarky about the PTSD rape victims suffer?

No he was not. He was saying that what you are saying makes it seem that every woman is so afraid.

It would seem that a rape victim would be uncomfortable in a girl's locker room anyway.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Domo1

So... Because she is biologically different from the other girls, and neurologically and also somewhat biologically therefore, different from the guys, not to mention at risk from potential violence in their locker room, the only other option is to alienate the poor thing completely?

That seems like an ineffective solution to the problem, that would be as bad as a long term solution, as failing to do anything or say anything about their evident gender crisis.

The options are pretty straight forward here. You alienate this individual to some degree or you alienate the girls who would be uncomfortable by staggering out who the individual can and cannot go in with in the girls locker room. You cannot force acceptance here, people will be uncomfortable that's a fact. You seem to lean towards anyone else should suck it up, forced to be uncomfortable, staggered entry times, etc. You are no better than those you try and call names and make references to. You simply sympathize with one side and feel that should be forced into everyone. No matter how real the discomfort others feel is, no matter what reasoning they have to feel that way. Again no different from those you say are ignorant.

Double post..sorry

Funny Americans are the only ones who are prudes and uncomfortable. The Europeans probably laughed at this.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

It's something like 1 in 6 women have been raped or someone attempted it. That's probably low.

If we're changing everything for less than 1% of the population to feel comfortable, what about the much higher percent that has been raped and would have a very real issue with a penis in the locker room?

a reply to: Domo1

I understand that. Wouldn't they be uncomfortable being in a girl's locker room anyway?

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Again... I hope you are expecting the homosexuals and lesbians to use that facility too, since they might pose a tangible sexual threat to their fellows, by the same utterly barbarian logic.

If someone wants to use that facility but comparing people who have the same physical make up to a situation in which we have different physical make ups is dishonest. It's very rational to expect some girls to be uncomfortable about changing around physical males like some males would be uncomfortable about changing around physical females.

But you passionately took the side of social justice, ignoring reality, and the use of the word barbaric was droll at best. Feel free to carry on as the enlighten one between us.

I lived in co-ed dorms in college. The line to the male bathroom and showers was so much shorter in the morning, a lot of females, including myself, started to use that one. The females who weren't comfortable doing that continued to wait in long lines. No one seemed to care regardless. Just 1 or 2 short years before we had all been in high school. High school is supposed to prepare you for college. Not keep you sheltered from the world just to be completely surprised between one June and the following September.

Do you see the difference. There was a choice for those not comfortable. So either the individual will be uncomfortable or a group of girls will be. Whose discomfort takes priority? Why should anyone's. Get a seperate facility.

In this case, the separate facility seems lacking because 1) I don't think it has a shower 2) Forces her to feel even MORE different. Come college, she will probably be allowed to use the female facilities. Maybe the other girls should get used to it now.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Probably yes if there was a dude with a wig and a penis in there

I knew guys that would have said anything
to get in the girls locker room. Seriously.

Maybe they should have a special class for
the special people only or include "normal" students that accept
people no matter what. I bet there would be enough students
to fill at least one class.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Domo1

I understand that. Wouldn't they be uncomfortable being in a girl's locker room anyway?

Other physical girls maybe a little, throw in a physical male, different ball game.

a reply to: Bennyzilla

No we were not talking about that. We were talking about the rape victims.

a reply to: nfflhome

I knew guys that would have said anything to get in the girls locker room. Seriously.

Oh yeah sure they are so willing to wear dresses and makeups everyday for years just to get in the girls locker room.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Again... I hope you are expecting the homosexuals and lesbians to use that facility too, since they might pose a tangible sexual threat to their fellows, by the same utterly barbarian logic.

If someone wants to use that facility but comparing people who have the same physical make up to a situation in which we have different physical make ups is dishonest. It's very rational to expect some girls to be uncomfortable about changing around physical males like some males would be uncomfortable about changing around physical females.

But you passionately took the side of social justice, ignoring reality, and the use of the word barbaric was droll at best. Feel free to carry on as the enlighten one between us.

I lived in co-ed dorms in college. The line to the male bathroom and showers was so much shorter in the morning, a lot of females, including myself, started to use that one. The females who weren't comfortable doing that continued to wait in long lines. No one seemed to care regardless. Just 1 or 2 short years before we had all been in high school. High school is supposed to prepare you for college. Not keep you sheltered from the world just to be completely surprised between one June and the following September.

Do you see the difference. There was a choice for those not comfortable. So either the individual will be uncomfortable or a group of girls will be. Whose discomfort takes priority? Why should anyone's. Get a seperate facility.

In this case, the separate facility seems lacking because 1) I don't think it has a shower 2) Forces her to feel even MORE different. Come college, she will probably be allowed to use the female facilities. Maybe the other girls should get used to it now.

Depends on the college, as you stated those that didn't want to be in with the males had a choice. So you make someone feel different or a group uncomfortable. Priority is?...depends on your views.

a reply to: Domo1

I'm not dismissing anyone or denying it's truth.

You're painting rape victims with a broad brush, assuming they all must have some kind of horrible stress disorder triggered at the sight of male genitalia.

I don't think you give women enough credit.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

I get the feeling rape victims would be equally upset, if not more, about a dude in the women's locker room

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Domo1

I understand that. Wouldn't they be uncomfortable being in a girl's locker room anyway?

Not necessarily.

I had a roommate in college who was attacked in our room while all three of us were sleeping. I'm not sure how far he got, but it couldn't have been too far as the other two of us were sleeping in the room. But, he held her up with a pair of scissors and touched her in a sexual manner before she got up the courage to scream and wake us up.

After that, she wouldn't have anything to do with ANY males who were not either her father or her fiancé. She wouldn't even put up with either of our fathers in the room with her. It was her "safe" space from then on. It made the rest of that year hell.

My roommate and I could have been lesbian though and our girlfriends would have been fine. ANY woman or girl was fine.

a reply to: Bennyzilla

I understand that. I am just stating that the rape victims are already uncomfortable anyway ANYWHERE. Being at school around horny boys doesn't help.