BLM and why i don't take it seriously.

a reply to: odzeandennz

you dont like BLM, ok. start a movement... not online tho. go shout your numbers and stats in the streets, subways, in front of schools, capital hill etc.

Fantastic point. It's hard to NOT argue against fallacies and lies but that's a great counter.

Do Black Lives NOT matter?

How is saying that they do providing a negative for anyone else?


How does a group of black people who are asking for attention to be focused on anti-poverty measures, demilitarization of police and how they feel the police are being used by government to keep peace INSTEAD of dealing with poverty, who are asking for justice when police kill black people, how do they threaten anyone here?

If so, how?

If not, why all the reactionary stuff? Because it doesn't include white people?

How does their positive statement equal a negative to anyone else when they are making it because they feel their lives don't matter in the big scheme of things?

They are a reactionary group, yes, and they exist because people in their communities feel that they are expendable by the larger community, they have been left to neglect, poverty, and hopelessness, and they feel they are under attack by a militarized and potentially racially motivated police force, or at least one that has been put in place, they feel, instead of social/anti-poverty programs that could help their entire community rise above poverty and violence?

Why shouldn't they have a voice? Why shouldn't they say, Hey, we matter TOO?

- AB

a reply to: kaylaluv

Why the hell would I leave the white heterosexual male out?

The goal is equality, what kind of hypocrite do you think I am?

All the pain and agony we feel everyday due to discrimination could end tomorrow if we could practice what we preach and instead of focusing on equality for ourselves banded together to work towards equality for all, white heterosexual male included.

There are plenty trying for the same thing the problem is, the enemy of unity IS division.

a reply to: harvestdog


You are correct that it isn't only blacks and isn't only race: wherever poverty is an entrenched way of life, people suffer, and the legal system is far less likely to help them. This is true. Poverty also breeds more of a criminal element in communities and increases stress to the point of harming children's ability to function in school, creates more likelihood of broken families and domestic violence, along with a whole slew of negatives that create vicious cycles of poverty.

This is one group within that group, who also deal with issues of race in our society, who are saying they've had enough. I don't think anyone would argue that poverty in general isn't bad for everyone afflicted with it.

peace,
AB

Then you have the nerve to ask me " Are you ever pulled over for no reason? Ever stopped by a cop while doing nothing but walking down the street? I doubt it"

Thank you for pointing out that bull. Ah I see, blacks get pulled over for no reason. The rest of us don't. Walking down the street in America is suspicious if you are black and you will get arrested. Thank God I am white and never get harassed by police because they are trying to make quota. This is bull and why we can't stop the corrupt police forces of America.

a reply to: harvestdog

oops, hardly ever post and have not gotten the quotes/ reply thing down. Thank God I am white and never get harassed by police making their quota. This is why we will not defeat police corruption in the U.S.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: odzeandennz

you dont like BLM, ok. start a movement... not online tho. go shout your numbers and stats in the streets, subways, in front of schools, capital hill etc.

Fantastic point. It's hard to NOT argue against fallacies and lies but that's a great counter.

and your counter is worth less to me than when it was worthless.

people SHOULD argue against fallacies. BLM may be biased, or not. thats not the argument here.

the point is, its hard to make rational comments, or not have people dissect and misquote your comments (see above)
when they are behind the thinly veil of anonymity of the Internet.
so please, keep arguing about BLM, im sure this thread along the other hate filled 20 others will make a difference .. in anything... besides exposing what people really feel about blacks in america.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
how many of these effin threads are there going to be, all spewing out the same rhetoric. quit race baiting, its always the same users going back and forth trying to solve issues in front of the comfort of their keyboard.

repetition does not equal persuasion.
:im betting 10 $ theres going to be another 10 pages long, i hat BLM thread in 3 days

you dont like BLM, ok. start a movement... not online tho. go shout your numbers and stats in the streets, subways, in front of schools, capital hill etc.

anyone can twist figures to suit the point they are trying to make. everyone does it. its the American way.

yet you felt inclined to comment, .....hate the BLM threads? go make a post about it in the "rant" forum

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: supermarket2012

But blacks are three times more likely to be killed by a cop than whites- which is amazing when you consider that there are five times more whites then there are blacks. THAT is the issue that the BLM movement is trying to address.

Well there you have it folks... it must be racism.

OR black criminals are more likely to put up a fight than white criminals.

But that can't be true, its not like black folks are seven times more likely to kill than white folks, or that black folks commit over half the murders in this country... oh wait...

BLM will be gone soon. The money to run it will disappear like Occupy Wall Street or Hands U Don't Shoot. Just another slogan of the day to keep blacks down.

a reply to: kellyjay

Here's why I can't your opinion about BLM seriously:

1. Right out of the gate you went after the Michael Brown shooting because out of all of the recently protested deaths, that's the only one where you can say the deceased was at fault without being confronted with much argument to the contrary. You left out any mention of what the DoJ uncovered that provides the context for the unrest in Ferguson:

- Despite being 26% less likely to have contraband discovered during a search, black residents are more than twice (2.07x) more likely to have had their vehicles searched during a traffic stop.

- Despite black people being 67% of the population, from 2012 to 2104, 85% of the FPD’s traffic stops, 90% of the FPD’s citations and 93% of the FPD’s arrests were of blacks.

- Given that blatantly racist emails were found on the court's email system — and a court clerk fired because of it (who btw, got another court clerk job in a neighboring jurisdiction) — it seems pretty obvious that the court's culture was at the VERY LEAST permissive of racism against blacks. With this in mind, consider that 92% of court cases for which an arrest warrant was issued were of black defendants and and 96% of arrests made exclusively for outstanding warrants were of black folks. Black defendants were also 68% less likely to have charges dropped and much more likely to have multiple citations issued (stops with 4 or more citations: 72 black defendants vs 2 white).

CLEARLY these are issues disproportionately affecting the black community in Ferguson and cause for alarm for any reasonable person. While you neglected to mention any of the above, you did manage to include in your post every single talking point and keyword from the conservative echo chamber. Hell, you even managed to include abortion statistics as though they have any bearing. Did you know that 72% of women who have abortions identify as Christian? Are you going to argue that Christians are somehow more prone to killing their own than another group? 60% of women who have abortions already have a child. Using your failed logic, having a child must also make a woman less likely to care about the lives of children? These are the sort of irrational conclusions you're arriving at.

2. Continuing to display your obvious politically driven bias/media programming, you moved on to the next play in the the playbook, reciting irrelevant murder statistics. What you ignore is that while 90% of black homicides have black perpetrators, whites aren't far behind at 83%. So here again, following your abysmally poor logic, unarmed white men being killed by police isn't an issue of concern EITHER (read your own quote below and enjoy the irony). On this point alone your argument implodes on itself.

BTW, non-Hispanic whites are 63% of the population, not 77.7%.

Now its true that the police need to be dealt with, and i think that should be brought to the fore by politicians, but not the BLM because ALL lives matter, and when they boo'd martin o,malley for giving a message of equality that ALL lives matter, the BLM movents agenda became very apparent, we dont need racism to fight racism, we dont need black racists, to tackle racism, black people need to tackle the crime and murders within their own community before they point a finger elsewhere and try to lay blame, clean your own house first then ill take you seriously.

A message of equality? No, the #AllLivesMatter meme was created to be something people (such as yourself) could use in an attempt to discredit BLM as being "racist" despite the fact the issue they seek to draw attention to is very real and born out by statistics.

Posts like yours do nothing but demonstrate why BLM SHOULD exist.

originally posted by: mikell
BLM will be gone soon. The money to run it will disappear like Occupy Wall Street or Hands U Don't Shoot. Just another slogan of the day to keep blacks down.

To keep blacks down? They named the movement themselves. They do a good job keeping themselves down though...great point!

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: kellyjay

Here's why I can't your opinion about BLM seriously:

1. Right out of the gate you went after the Michael Brown shooting because out of all of the recently protested deaths, that's the only one where you can say the deceased was at fault without being confronted with much argument to the contrary. You left out any mention of what the DoJ uncovered that provides the context for the unrest in Ferguson:

- Despite being 26% less likely to have contraband discovered during a search, black residents are more than twice (2.07x) more likely to have had their vehicles searched during a traffic stop.

- Despite black people being 67% of the population, from 2012 to 2104, 85% of the FPD’s traffic stops, 90% of the FPD’s citations and 93% of the FPD’s arrests were of blacks.

- Given that blatantly racist emails were found on the court's email system — and a court clerk fired because of it (who btw, got another court clerk job in a neighboring jurisdiction) — it seems pretty obvious that the court's culture was at the VERY LEAST permissive of racism against blacks. With this in mind, consider that 92% of court cases for which an arrest warrant was issued were of black defendants and and 96% of arrests made exclusively for outstanding warrants were of black folks. Black defendants were also 68% less likely to have charges dropped and much more likely to have multiple citations issued (stops with 4 or more citations: 72 black defendants vs 2 white).

CLEARLY these are issues disproportionately affecting the black community in Ferguson and cause for alarm for any reasonable person. While you neglected to mention any of the above, you did manage to include in your post every single talking point and keyword from the conservative echo chamber. Hell, you even managed to include abortion statistics as though they have any bearing. Did you know that 72% of women who have abortions identify as Christian? Are you going to argue that Christians are somehow more prone to killing their own than another group? 60% of women who have abortions already have a child. Using your failed logic, having a child must also make a woman less likely to care about the lives of children? These are the sort of irrational conclusions you're arriving at.

2. Continuing to display your obvious politically driven bias/media programming, you moved on to the next play in the the playbook, reciting irrelevant murder statistics. What you ignore is that while 90% of black homicides have black perpetrators, whites aren't far behind at 83%. So here again, following your abysmally poor logic, unarmed white men being killed by police isn't an issue of concern EITHER (read your own quote below and enjoy the irony). On this point alone your argument implodes on itself.

BTW, non-Hispanic whites are 63% of the population, not 77.7%.

Now its true that the police need to be dealt with, and i think that should be brought to the fore by politicians, but not the BLM because ALL lives matter, and when they boo'd martin o,malley for giving a message of equality that ALL lives matter, the BLM movents agenda became very apparent, we dont need racism to fight racism, we dont need black racists, to tackle racism, black people need to tackle the crime and murders within their own community before they point a finger elsewhere and try to lay blame, clean your own house first then ill take you seriously.

A message of equality? No, the #AllLivesMatter meme was created to be something people (such as yourself) could use in an attempt to discredit BLM as being "racist" despite the fact the issue they seek to draw attention to is very real and born out by statistics.

Posts like yours do nothing but demonstrate why BLM SHOULD exist.

I wish I wasn't so busy at work so I can deconstruct this drivel point by point...

a reply to: Bone75

But that can't be true, its not like black folks are seven times more likely to kill than white folks, or that black folks commit over half the murders in this country... oh wait...

How many people did Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, John Crawford III, Walter Scott, Sam Dubose, etc kill? None? Then how the hell is this relevant?

a reply to: odzeandennz

I don't understand. I'm agreeing with you that it's generally pointless to point out to people why BLM is a good thing and that it's not racist and that people saying that it's racist or exclusionary are wrong. The statement that I quoted is a good counter to such people.

"you dont like BLM, ok. start a movement... not online tho. go shout your numbers and stats in the streets, subways, in front of schools, capital hill etc."

Did I misunderstand you somehow?

How about they start at the root of the problem. The equivalent of their movement is to me trying to get rid of an infestation by killing the bug on the counter. It's never gonna work.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: supermarket2012




Don't you think it is odd, when you watch a rap video, and nearly EVERY SINGLE rapper glorifies the hood they came from? A rapper gets street cred partly based on the area he came from. The more violent and crime-ridden the area is, the more respect he gains. The rappers talk about their hoods with SO MUCH PRIDE, and yet once they get rich, they move out of the hood and never look back.

That simply is not true.

globalgrind.com...

www.rantsports.com...

I'm sure I could find quite a few others if I spent more than 60 seconds on it.

Wow. It says meek mill donated rebok shoes to his old high school basketball team. That is SURE to change the entire community around!


Compared to what these guys make, their donations arent next to nothing.

I find it really absurd that you would ask our government to "fix" the problem of wealth distribution and socioeconomic issues entirely, and not ask the black community to hardly lift a finger.

Our government does a HELL of a lot more for the black community than these rappers. The links you gave me proves that. Our government provides welfare for nearly EVERY person in the projects. Whether it be section 8 housing, food stamps, WIC, medicaid and medicare, or the 100s of other programs available to them. Not to mention none of them will ever starve to death like in other countries, since we have food banks here. We also have shelters that women who are victims of violence can go to.


It is easy to point the finger at the government and blame them for EVERYTHING.....but honestly I don't think we should rely on our government to fix the problems that people have.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: supermarket2012
Don't you think it is odd, when you watch a rap video, and nearly EVERY SINGLE rapper glorifies the hood they came from? A rapper gets street cred partly based on the area he came from. The more violent and crime-ridden the area is, the more respect he gains. The rappers talk about their hoods with SO MUCH PRIDE, and yet once they get rich, they move out of the hood and never look back.

You are referring to gansta rap from the 90's. Rap doesn't do that as much anymore. You DO know that music stylings evolve right?

You are fooling yourself buddy. I'm referring to rap NOW. It hasn't changed, I know, because I listen to rap, both mainstream and underground.

Are you telling me now that it doesn't matter what neighborhood you come from in the rap game? Funny, because nearly every rapper would disagree with you, including radio station DJs. They talk about it all the time.

originally posted by: supermarket2012


It is easy to point the finger at the government and blame them for EVERYTHING.....but honestly I don't think we should rely on our government to fix the problems that people have.

Well, obviously we disagree. I think the government should fix the problems that people have, because I believe the government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the people.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Right out of the gate you went after the Michael Brown shooting because out of all of the recently protested deaths, that's the only one where you can say the deceased was at fault without being confronted with much argument to the contrary. You left out any mention of what the DoJ uncovered that provides the context for the unrest in Ferguson:

Actually i brought up michael brown because according to BLM his death was what birthed the movement, thats why i brought him up

Despite being 26% less likely to have contraband discovered during a search, black residents are more than twice (2.07x) more likely to have had their vehicles searched during a traffic stop

do you have the stats for that?

Despite black people being 67% of the population, from 2012 to 2104, 85% of the FPD’s traffic stops, 90% of the FPD’s citations and 93% of the FPD’s arrests were of blacks

really? whats your point? or are you under the impression that i dont think there is a level of systematic racism going on in the police force?? ..preaching to choir

Given that blatantly racist emails were found on the court's email system — and a court clerk fired because of it (who btw, got another court clerk job in a neighboring jurisdiction) — it seems pretty obvious that the court's culture was at the VERY LEAST permissive of racism against blacks. With this in mind, consider that 92% of court cases for which an arrest warrant was issued were of black defendants and and 96% of arrests made exclusively for outstanding warrants were of black folks. Black defendants were also 68% less likely to have charges dropped and much more likely to have multiple citations issued (stops with 4 or more citations: 72 black defendants vs 2 white)

stats? source etc would be good here....a racist court clerk somewhere doesnt mean all judges are racist but ill wait for your source

CLEARLY these are issues disproportionately affecting the black community in Ferguson and cause for alarm for any reasonable person. While you neglected to mention any of the above, you did manage to include in your post every single talking point and keyword from the conservative echo chamber. Hell, you even managed to include abortion statistics as though they have any bearing. Did you know that 72% of women who have abortions identify as Christian? Are you going to argue that Christians are somehow more prone to killing their own than another group? 60% of women who have abortions already have a child. Using your failed logic, having a child must also make a woman less likely to care about the lives of children? These are the sort of irrational conclusions you're arriving at

Actually i thought abortion was relevant, given the message 'black lives matter"...so its only some lives that matter, not all black lives?

Continuing to display your obvious politically driven bias/media programming, you moved on to the next play in the the playbook, reciting irrelevant murder statistics. What you ignore is that while 90% of black homicides have black perpetrators, whites aren't far behind at 83%. So here again, following your abysmally poor logic, unarmed white men being killed by police isn't an issue of concern EITHER (read your own quote below and enjoy the irony). On this point alone your argument implodes on itself.

Well when white people are out marching claiming white lives matter while they neglect their own murder statistics ill bring that up..but they arent, so theres no hypocrisy to point out at this time .

A message of equality? No, the #AllLivesMatter meme was created to be something people (such as yourself) could use in an attempt to discredit BLM as being "racist" despite the fact the issue they seek to draw attention to is very real and born out by statistics.

and my post was born out of statistics, only my statistics are somehow irrelivant right? why dont you just call me a racist and have done with it?