BLM and why i don't take it seriously.

Let me start first off by saying that police brutality in america is an issue that should be taken seriously and that some significant reform needs to take place, however i dont feel the BLM are in a position to spur on that reform and ill tell you why.

Firstly the BLM chose to make a martyr out of mike brown and his death is what essentially birthed the movement, or at least that is when they started gaining ground, i dont think they chose their martyr wisely, a 6ft+ guy who just got done strong arming a store, that punched a cop in his face, tried to grab his gun and the charged him (hardly the epitome of victim) he was a thug plain and simple, he was a thug that made a lot of poor choices that day and ended up dead as a result, and we see these instances too often, a better martyr for the cause would have been tamire rice, the young kid shot for holding a toy gun, not some thug.

We see a lot of videos involving black people with cops, people on scene pulling out their camera phones etc, and a lot of them show black people resisting in some form or other, or we see videos that miss the begining of the altercation and starts when the police are restraining the person, giving a very myopic view of the altercation, then we see a few that are clearly violating peoples rights, HOWEVER they are a tiny minority.

Eg-

The dataset shows 426 homicide victims — in line with the 400 justifiable homicides per year stat that USA Today and other sources have reported. However, it also includes the number of officers who were involved in homicides of felons: 631 officers. The number of officers is higher than the number of homicide victims because 121 victims, or 28.4 percent of all 2012 victims, were shot by multiple officers when they died. About two-thirds were a single victim shot by a single officer; in 1 percent of cases, a single officer shot multiple victims. (According to the 2012 data, only one of the 426 justifiable homicides was not a shooting; it's listed as "death by physical weapons.")

www.vox.com...

but lets look another statistic...black on black murders per year

The numbers came from a 2007 U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics report, which stated that blacks were victims of 7,999 homicides in 2005 and said that 93 percent were killed by people who shared their race.

the white on white crime figures are on there too, however im not going to discuss that because white people arent out protesting that white lives matter.

www.politifact.com...

So almost 8,000 blacks were killed by other blacks in 2005, and that is a continuing trend and 426 were killed by cops, so it begs the question, if black lives matter so much then why are they killing each other at an alarming rate? if black lives matter so much then why are black women aborting their babies at a higher rate than whites and hispanics?

While Black women account for 13 percent of the female population, they accounted for 30 percent of all abortions. In 2008, 75,960 Black teens 15-19 had abortions, compared to 65,972 among white teens and 41,465 among Hispanic teens.

www.google.co.uk...=black%20abortion%20statistics

This is why i dont take them seriously, black lives only seem to matter when black are killed by white cops which is a tiny majority compared to black on black deaths, so really black lives dont seem to matter, and its more a case of "white cops are killing black people, and we think its because of racism" that is the real issue here, that black people think they are being targeted by white racist cops.

But is it really racism? whites make up 77.7% of the population as opposed to 13.2% being black.
it doesnt take a leap to know that there are statistically more white cops than black cops, so the chances of a black person coming into contact with a white cop is greater than a black cop....thats not racism thats law of averages.

Predominantly black areas have higher crime rates, higher crime rates = more policing, more police = more arrests, higher crime = higher drugs or vice versa is that racism?

Take a look at these stats, blacks take the lead in murder and robbery, and thats not even on a per capita basis, thats outright....how does 13% of the population commit more murder than 77% of the population??

www.fbi.gov...

Now its true that the police need to be dealt with, and i think that should be brought to the fore by politicians, but not the BLM because ALL lives matter, and when they boo'd martin o,malley for giving a message of equality that ALL lives matter, the BLM movents agenda became very apparent, we dont need racism to fight racism, we dont need black racists, to tackle racism, black people need to tackle the crime and murders within their own community before they point a finger elsewhere and try to lay blame, clean your own house first then ill take you seriously.

Could you elaborate to what BLM means for non-Americans that read ATS?

Thanks

a reply to: Krusty the Klown

Not 100% but think it's "Black Lives Matter".

I have to agree with your thread. I don't think cops killing blacks or anyone else has anything to do with racism. I believe it's a case of trigger-happy, overzealous, adrenaline-junkie, "above the law" cops and they don't care what color you are...if you cross them wrong, they're going to shoot you. I'm not saying this is every cop, but many of them have this attitude. It's a new generation of cops out there and many of them are guys returning from Afghanistan or Iraq and have already been through hell, and maybe shouldn't become cops. JMO, anyways.

Your absolutely right.
Black lives only seem to matter when they are killed by non blacks.

a reply to: kellyjay

As long as you aren't discounting the prevalent institutional racism in both the judicial and policing sphere, then I'm tempted to somewhat agree with you.

Yes, the African american community need to deal with their own culture of violence. Leaders must be found among themselves and progress needs to be shown. That doesn't mean we should halt ongoing efforts to alleviate the systematic racism they experience however.

The reason I don't really agree with the BLM movement is they show up at events like Bernie Sanders and pretend like he hasn't been on their side for the last 40 years.

And like Occupy Wallstreet, they have no actual leadership or structure or goals for that matter. An organization like that can't have just a broad, vague message.

It doesn't work.

~Tenth

originally posted by: Krusty the Klown
Could you elaborate to what BLM means for non-Americans that read ATS?

Thanks

BLM ( black lives matter)

a reply to: tothetenthpower

BLM dont really have any "goals" perse either, or a plan of action, they are just yelling, trying to talk over people, and becoming an irritation to a lot of people, progressives too as seen at bernies rally that was interrupted.

they need more structure, and a clearer message, and a plan of action befor i can take them seriously

originally posted by: kellyjay
a reply to: tothetenthpower

BLM dont really have any "goals" perse either, or a plan of action, they are just yelling, trying to talk over people, and becoming an irritation to a lot of people, progressives too as seen at bernies rally that was interrupted.

they need more structure, and a clearer message, and a plan of action befor i can take them seriously

That's pretty much where I'm at. I'm glad there's a social awareness movement, that's great, but if it's going to be anything else, they are going to need an actual organization, structure, leaders etc.

~Tenth

a reply to: kellyjay

I'm confused why you think the existence of a completely different problem within the black community suddenly makes another problem irrelevant. Can't we just acknowledge that BOTH police violence and blacks killing other blacks are problems that the black community faces? Or are we only allowed to acknowledge one at a time?

If Black Lives Matter so much to them, why are they not protesting on the streets of Chicago, instead of the only 2 women that showed up to a Bernie Sanders rally?
I see a lot of screaming and yelling, but no leaders have stepped forward with a plan. Hell, I haven't seen any leaders.
Just sound and fury................

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

I'm confused why you think the existence of a completely different problem within the black community suddenly makes another problem irrelevant. Can't we just acknowledge that BOTH police violence and blacks killing other blacks are problems that the black community faces? Or are we only allowed to acknowledge one at a time?

i would think that they would tackle the issue that is of bigger concern, which they arent how can you say "black lives matter" yet do nothing to tackle the greatest issue that is affecting blacks which is black on black murder?

its like saying "i have cancer, but let me just deal with this verucca on my foot"

I'm sure everyone will lose sleep over your lack of support for a great movement...

You are after all, the centre of the universe.
If you don't take them seriously, who will?

/sarc


#BlackLivesMatter

About institutionalized racism?

Recently Gene Simmons house was raided by the LAPD's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force and all is quiet on the media front about that.

Compare that to the dedicated and focused media campaign directed against Michael Jackson from the get go (who was acquitted twice for lack of evidence).

Waiting of course to see what comes of this raid on Genes house, but the signs (or lack thereof) are already telling…

Authorities did not provide further details about the case due to an ongoing investigation, according to CNN, but said "no members of the Simmons family are suspects in the case and were extremely cooperative."

Huffington Post

Imo, Black lives do matter, they matter less.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I'm sure everyone will lose sleep over your lack of support for a great movement...

You are after all, the centre of the universe.
If you don't take them seriously, who will?

/sarc


#BlackLivesMatter

really? thats what you have to offer?


great input

a reply to: kellyjay

So you don't think they are trying to tackle that issue either? What makes you say that? Have you looked into if there are efforts being made within black communities to correct black on black violence?

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I'm sure everyone will lose sleep over your lack of support for a great movement...

You are after all, the centre of the universe.
If you don't take them seriously, who will?

/sarc


#BlackLivesMatter

really? thats what you have to offer?


great input

You equated racism to "a veruca"...

I don't take you seriously.


#BlackLivesMatter

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

So you don't think they are trying to tackle that issue either? What makes you say that? Have you looked into if there are efforts being made within black communities to correct black on black violence?

All ive seen so far is them interrupt politicians, boo them if they say all lives matter, and giving a five minute silence for the martyr of their movement.....i dont see anything else, except i did see a video with the black folks telling white people to get away from their march..."if you arent african american can you please exit stage left thanks"

but if you want to give is links or videos that deals with black on black crime drop them

ill see it when i get back

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm confused why you think the existence of a completely different problem within the black community suddenly makes another problem irrelevant.

Nah, I just think it's that people are really tired of the lack of responsibility being taken by these groups like BML when they are put to task on their own communities issues. Some of which are related to the BML issues and are symptoms of the racism they've encountered, but there's no big push to fix it.

Or at least there is no media coverage of that, so people assume it's non existent. And lately, if you bring it up, you just get called a giant racist. Which is no fun for anybody and does even less to solve the problem.

~Tenth

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I'm sure everyone will lose sleep over your lack of support for a great movement...

You are after all, the centre of the universe.
If you don't take them seriously, who will?

/sarc


#BlackLivesMatter

really? thats what you have to offer?


great input

You equated racism to "a veruca"...

I don't take you seriously.


#BlackLivesMatter

clearly your comprehension is skewed....