BLM and why i don't take it seriously.

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: ~Lucidity

originally posted by: kellyjay
Firstly the BLM chose to make a martyr out of mike brown and his death is what essentially birthed the movement...

This is interesting too...

#BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes.

ahh my bad, so it was a different thug

No, the thug wasn't killed. He did the killing...

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Puppylove

Their goals are clear, people not liking them and being obtuse about it doesn't make them not so.

Just what is the goal, actually ???

Allow the gangs and criminals to do whatever they want and the communities will eventually right themselves ???

Just leave them all alone to do the good work they need to do and things will get better I imagine.

Maybe that could be true, but not with how damaged this culture really is.

I thought you were talking about the US Bureau of Land Management the whole time.

But now I get it.

your gonna get alot of people calling you racist.

but we know the truth

I'm sure some of you won't take my word on this, but I'm from St. Louis, and I've heard from two legitimate sources that Mile Brown was hardly a gentle giant, but rather a bully and piece of trash.

The first source is a relative who works with Mike Brown's cousin. This cousin said that her intermediate family did not attend or support the claims or protests dedicated to Mike Brown because they know what kind of young man he was. Let's just say, they didn't seem to think he was a very good guy. Obviously those two families are a bit at odds now.

The second source is a friend of mine, 23 or so, who is a similar kind of build to Mike Brown, maybe a little taller, I'm not sure, but a tall, heavy set black guy. He told me that he's met/seen MB at a party before, and all MB did was give him dirty looks, size him up, talk trash, etc. My friend, similar to MB's cousin, does not support the BLM movement despite his ethnicity and having grown up in St. Louis.

So yes. I agree... Poor little Tamir Rice would have been a more suitable casualty to center the BLM movement around.

a reply to: kellyjay

BLM really sounds like some craigslist thing to me. Like, Busty Ladies Meet? Boooty, Legs, Muffins? Broke Lady Massages? Bolivians Love Men? Bulky Lifters Masturbate? Boxy Leg Mailboxes? Boyish Lesbian Morodorians? Ya BLM for sure!

Black Lives Matter is a conspiracy? ATS no longer a conspiracy website? Honestly doesn't feel like it, it is a website for discussing American politics and social injustices and for the gun nuts to beat their chests. Only thing I know about BLM is that is a reverse racist movement and I don't need to know anymore.

If African-Americans truly believe their lives do not matter, in terms of how their society perceives and treats them, then the U.S. has a most serious problem on its hands.

originally posted by: biggilo
Black Lives Matter is a conspiracy? ATS no longer a conspiracy website? Honestly doesn't feel like it, it is a website for discussing American politics and social injustices and for the gun nuts to beat their chests. Only thing I know about BLM is that is a reverse racist movement and I don't need to know anymore.

This isnt the conspiracy forum, this is the civil unrest forum

The police shooting to many African Americans and African American on African American violence are different subjects.

The idea that 'i refuse to correct problem A unless problem B is corrected first' seems to be an excuse used a hell of a lot by Americans so they can stay in denial on many issues. Gun nuts love to use that argument crying that gun violence is not an issue because there's lots of other violence that's non gun related. Very young children use excuses like that when they get told off for misbehaving but intelligent adults should know better.

The real issue here is implicit bias. Implicit bias is not just something that white people have, its in all races. White, African American, Hispanic etc people have implicit bias and its been proven for many years.

Please watch the video here:
fusion.net...

and this one :


Cops who are African American, white and of all colors in America are more likely to shoot someone African American than someone white. There are many studies that prove this beyond a doubt. That's not the same as hardcore racism and people on both sides of the argument need to understand this.

Even using the term 'blacks' rather than African American can be a sign of implicit bias.
www.sciencedirect.com...

The real question is what drives implicit bias? Its been suggested that its mostly the mass media (news and films etc) , maybe people should be complaining to whoever controls those industries to correct the problem.

a reply to: MrMasterMinder

I use black because I've had not one, not two, but three black friends go off on tirades about hating the term African American. The most common reasons being, "I've never been to Africa, I was born here, and I sure as hell don't want to go to Africa. I'm not African American I'm just #ing American." So I use black. It's just a skin pigment, same as white. I don't take offense at being called white, or red haired or brown eyed, and I've never had a black man get upset I call them or someone else black descriptively.

I've only ever had someone get annoyed by African American, but maybe I've just run into the oddballs, who knows.

a reply to: Woodcarver

using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face

that would hearken back to the days when we had mob justice (and by mob i don't mean the syndicate, i just mean a large group of angry people who want justice even if it means actual justice is not being observed).

a reply to: MrMasterMinder

this is primarily because if problem A (black on black violence) was not as prevalent, problem B (police on black violence) would not only be less necessary but less evident.

people should read the forum link in my signature. it's a thread i created about the issues of the inner cities, and where it starts, how it escalates, and how it is solvable using the natural progression of healing the whole person.

the phoenix
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: MrMasterMinder

this is primarily because if problem A (black on black violence) was not as prevalent, problem B (police on black violence) would not only be less necessary but less evident.

Yes that's an excellent example the type of attitude that is born out of a country who had a civil war over the right to keep slaves. A country that when it lost its war to enslave anyone with a different color skin to their own just built prisons and found excuses to put African American in them so they could continue to be under their control and work for free if ordered to.

a reply to: MrMasterMinder

Gun nuts love to use that argument crying that gun violence is not an issue because there's lots of other violence that's non gun related.

So you make a bias statement, then go on to talk about implicit bias. I just stopped reading right there.

originally posted by: MrMasterMinder

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: MrMasterMinder

this is primarily because if problem A (black on black violence) was not as prevalent, problem B (police on black violence) would not only be less necessary but less evident.

Yes that's an excellent example the type of attitude that is born out of a country who had a civil war over the right to keep slaves. A country that when it lost its war to enslave anyone with a different color skin to their own just built prisons and found excuses to put African American in them so they could continue to be under their control and work for free if ordered to.

oh you came out swinging eh? right off the bat it's 1) i'm a racist, 2) i support slavery, 3) and agree with sticking people in prison. when it's actually the exact opposite. i'm afraid you have stuck your foot in it

anybody want to tell mr.masterminder what century this is?

originally posted by: amicktd
a reply to: MrMasterMinder

Gun nuts love to use that argument crying that gun violence is not an issue because there's lots of other violence that's non gun related.

So you make a bias statement, then go on to talk about implicit bias. I just stopped reading right there.

he's trolling the issue with politically correct bs.

can't f'in talk about anything important sanely and rationally, always has to blame people for crimes they not only weren't around to commit, but distracts from the actual issues, which are not some simple white and black issue but alot of variations of problems, most of which are ignored in favor of the pc bs.