Prominant Iowa Conservative Talk Show Host: Wants To Make Illegal Aliens SLAVES!

originally posted by: HummDinger
a reply to: If only your Mother had done the same.

Ooh good one, I've used that before, would you like to arrange a meet sometime for coffee and...

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Ok same thing with folks that violate their contract and go AWOL, upon apprehension they serve a jail sentence and/or in this case they get shipped back home. No biggie there right?

Biggie: We clog up our prison systems even more and our taxes go to either ship them home or pay for their existence in our prisons? They are no longer working, paying taxes, or providing the service they were indentured to do, so we indenture some more?

And tell me some Trump lover wouldn't shoot them as they ran away, capture and lash them or track them down and hang them from a tree...

Aside from ALL of this. WE ARE FREE! Freedom is probably THE most important cornerstone of our country's foundation! How can we claim this and keep people against their will?

OK I OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO CLARIFY MY POINT AGAIN!!!!

I do not agree with what he said or the version he suggested but as a foundation that could be amended to be more HUMANITARIAN is an interesting idea.

No one is dragging illegals out the house either btw, they just come here on their own with little to no repercussions for violating our nations laws on immigration. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS????

I'm being attacked for something that I DID NOT SAY or AGREE WITH in its entirety. Stop attacking me like I'm the one who said what was said.

Everything costs something, nothing is free. Cost is not an excuse for inaction, as for some hillbilly shooting a running illegal, well that may already be happening anyway so what would change?

Slaves...no way, but I would consider indentured servants. If they can't afford to get citizenship through the legal immigration process they might be allowed to work for citizenship.
Our company recently spent over $5,000 in legal fees to get a green card for an engineer from Indonesia. With the current Swiss cheese border we have, what incentive do immigrants have for spending the time and money to go through the legal process when they are convinced they will eventually be offered amnesty?

What really bothers me is that one "nut bag" radio hosts spews a horrible idea and all of a sudden people come running out of the woods enmasse with hugs and rainbows wanting to give every illegal that comes over here a car and a house. Really people???

Why do you hate America so much that you would allow it to corrode from the inside because of people who have no sense of national pride. All they want are benefits and this whole "immigration is what made this country what it is" has long outlived it's purpose and usefulness. We no longer need outsiders to fuel our economy or work force. Time to close the doors and carefully vet the potential incoming applicants to make sure they really want to be here and contribute.

Yes I'll say it again if you do not agree with that then you and your ideology are dangerous for this nation.

originally posted by: Sparky63
Slaves...no way, but I would consider indentured servants. If they can't afford to get citizenship through the legal immigration process they might be allowed to work for citizenship.
Our company recently spent over $5,000 in legal fees to get a green card for an engineer from Indonesia. With the current Swiss cheese border we have, what incentive do immigrants have for spending the time and money to go through the legal process when they are convinced they will eventually be offered amnesty?

THANK YOU!!!! Somebody gets it

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Let me put it like, I did the exact thing I'm suggesting for 4 years courtesy of the Marine Corps. I made a choice to be subjected to squalid living conditions, sub standard food and crap pay for the effort I had to exert.

I made the choice to volunteer my time and life under the same conditions as well. Difference being, you're not going to hear me spouting the same rhetoric. A big part of having a choice is that one choice has a considerable benefit to the other. It doesn't help if both choices are horrible.

This is the mindset that's so appalling to those who do not identify with those extreme right wing ideologies. There's almost no compassion. No consideration of what these people are attempting to get away from. It comes across as the ideology of the selfish and self centered. The ideology of exploitation. Ya know..... How can we justify exploiting these people?

If you consider illegals a big problem. How about you work towards making their lives better in their native country, rather than just using it as a political soapbox. Or even worse, using it as an excuse to find ways of exploiting them.

If you say trying to find ways to make their lives better in their own native countries isn't your problem or your concern, then it's obviously not that big of a problem to get worked up over in the first place.

So if you can't understand what I meant after this post the do not even communicate with me for I view you as a threat to this nation and you certainly would not like my opinion on those. Good day.

Once again, something that's absolutely repulsive about how the right is starting to evolve. They appear to be inching towards violence.

I will say that at the least not everyone in that group condones violence. It is my hope that if things get heated their moderation can bring balance back from these kinds of extremism.

I feel my interpretations are not unjustified. Just step back and look at this very topic as a perfect example. There's actually a debate here about whether this idea is a legitimate idea. When in fact it should automatically be frowned upon just based off of principle.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Krazysh0t

that's not a communist country lol

Yes it is still communist...

a reply to: GD21D

"If you consider illegals a big problem. How about you work towards making their lives better in their native country"

Because I do not care about their country, it is not mine. I do not live there nor do I ever wish to visit there. Hope that clears it up for you. Maybe their people should fight harder against what makes it so horrible and corrupt. It is not our problem nor responsibility. Each nation has a responsibility to and only to its own people.

Maybe WE HERE should look harder into the corruption domestically that helps to fuel the drug based economy of that nation. Allowing illegals here all willy nilly like is not the solution nor will it ever be. Jeezuz bleeding liberal heart christ and I'm not even a conservative but I do take issue with this epidemic.

Since they are committing a crime, if they don't leave willingly. Throwing the criminals in jail is an option, then it's not a far leap to call prison labor, slave labor?

Then the question of: who can build the roads, will have an answer.

originally posted by: Sparky63
Slaves...no way, but I would consider indentured servants. If they can't afford to get citizenship through the legal immigration process they might be allowed to work for citizenship.

Okay, but they get to choose their own jobs at the going rate, as long as they are qualified to do them, and they get to live where they want, as long as they can afford it, and they can get basic medical care and education for their children. Then, after they have proven themselves as good workers with no criminal actions, after a certain period of time, they get to be citizens.

I'm good with that.

Do you mean this kind of indentured servitude, the one we already tried?

Indentured servitude was a labor system whereby young people paid for their passage to the New World by working for an employer for a certain number of years. It was widely employed in the 18th century in the British colonies in North America and elsewhere. It was especially used as a way for poor youth in Britain and the German states to get passage to the American colonies. They would work for a fixed number of years, then be free to work on their own. The employer purchased the indenture from the sea captain who brought the youths over; he did so because he needed labor. Some worked as farmers or helpers for farm wives, some were apprenticed to craftsmen. Both sides were legally obligated to meet the terms, which were enforced by local American courts. Runaways were sought out and returned. About half of the white immigrants to the American colonies in the 17th and 18th centuries were indentured. During the late 17th and early 18th centuries poor children from England and France were kidnapped and sold into indentured labor in the Caribbean for a minimum of five years, but most times their contracts were bought and sold repeatedly and some laborers never attained their freedom

a reply to: MOMof3


Yeah something like that would work I think.


Obviously except the part about buying and selling. It should clearly be an adults personal decision. I'm not into human trafficking which coincidentally enough is a huge part of this illegal immigration problem.

REMINDER!!!! From this point forward....bickering, trolling, off topic posts and the like will be removed.

You are responsible for your own posts.

*** ALL MEMBERS *** Ending Rudeness, Hate, Bigotry: Getting Back to Basics


and, as always:

Do NOT reply to this post!!

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Allowing illegals here all willy nilly like is not the solution nor will it ever be. Jeezuz bleeding liberal heart christ and I'm not even a conservative but I do take issue with this epidemic.

No one has suggested that allowing illegals here all willy nilly like IS the solution. I certainly have not. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are liberal OR that they think the immigration system doesn't need fixing. It does!

We need immigration reform. Problem is, big corporations AND government WANT illegal immigrants here. They don't have to pay them a living wage and the immigrants provide much-needed labor for agriculture and other low wage jobs that Americans won't do. This is why the problem hasn't been dealt with. More government (laws covering indentured servitude) is not the answer.

I think the problem here is that the conservative seems to think of human people as just abstract concepts. "Illegal immigrants" doesn't exist it's just something Made up. People, however do exist. And their feelings and their struggles are very real.

You call people border hoppers and anchor babies to dehumanize them. I suppose it's easy to not empathize with others when you only think of them as problems to be dealt with.

In the book I'm reading right now, "Ready Player One" people get "arrested" by corporate police, and locked up and forced to work off their unpaid debt.

They call it being an "indent" short for "indentured servitude" -- basically if you have debt, they come arrest you and make you work off your debt -- which in reality never gets paid off due to fines, overages, expenses, ect ... so basically the corporations get free "slave" labor by entrapping people.

I don't think we're that far off. With jobs becoming more and more scarce, and the rise in power of the almighty corporation -- I can forsee a day when people actually don't mind going into slavery for a corporation under the guise of "indentured servitude" ... hell, it's a roof and three square meals.

Now when it comes to illegal immigrants, wouldn't the home countries of these people have something to say about holding their people in slavery?

They already are...

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Hefficide

I'm starting to feel like some American leaders are wanting you to be afraid of another group of people. It was terrorists, then it was Muslims and now apparently anybody who looks like they come from Mexico or South American in general.

Such a strange turn of events. And that people actually support this nonsense.

It's quite scary.

~Tenth

I too think it is becoming painfully clear that someone, some group, some entity wants to keep us divided. At all cost.

It is crystal clear that we would be a formidable force to reckon with, if we ever came together as a united front. We could topple any company or regain control of our government almost overnight, if we worked together as a cohesive, determined and committed union. So it is easy to see the benefit of them making sure that doesn't happen.

They will create a tower of Babel, and stop all production, growth and development, before they will allow us to come together as a united force. That would truly be the end of them, and their reign would be over, in a blink of an eye.

Simple mental exercise.

What do you think would happen if the majority of the people decided not to buy anything that contained corn syrup? Or chose an item of your choice.

Imagine the impact, when a majority of people work together and fight back by using their purchase power as a weapon.

A united people of the United States, now that would indeed be something to write about. Something to brag about, something that could really make a difference.