Prominant Iowa Conservative Talk Show Host: Wants To Make Illegal Aliens SLAVES!

Hello again ATS!

I know what you're thinking as you open this thread... "Pure hyperbole and partisan crap. Some shmuck said something remotely not-PC and the liberals are now bending it to make it sound a thousand times worse..."

Am I close?

You know something friends. I truly wish that was the case. It's not.

Iowa right wing radio host Jan Mickelson, referred to as a "kingmaker" because of his influence in the Republican party, interviewing top GOP figures such as Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Rick Santorum and, soon, Scott Walker, made the following comments recently while speaking about the subject of illegal immigration...

I said, "Well I'd would put them on the end of the highway, on western part of the interstate system, and I'd put them on the eastern side of the state, right there on the interstate system, and in the north on the Minnesota border, and on the south Kansas and Missouri border and I would just say this: 'As of this date' -- whenever we decide to do this -- 'as of this date, 30--' this is a totally arbitrary number, '30 to 60 days from now anyone who is in the state of Iowa that who is not here legally and who cannot demonstrate their legal status to the satisfaction of the local and state authorities here in the State of Iowa, become property of the State of Iowa.' So if you are here without our permission, and we have given you two months to leave, and you're still here, and we find that you're still here after we we've given you the deadline to leave, then you become property of the State of Iowa. And we have a job for you. And we start using compelled labor, the people who are here illegally would therefore be owned by the state and become an asset of the state rather than a liability and we start inventing jobs for them to do.

And it gets even worse. One of his own listeners called into his show, in an apparent attempt to talk the obviously troubled talk show host down from the edge. It did not go well.

MICKELSON: So anyway back to the point. Put up a sign that says at the end of 60 days, if you are not here with our permission, can't prove your legal status, you become property of the state. And then we start to extort or exploit or indenture your labor. This is Fred. Good morning Fred.

CALLER: Hey good morning, how are you?

MICKELSON: I'm doing great.

CALLER: Great. Well you caught me--I was up at 4 o'clock this morning, I'm travelling from Tulsa through Des Moines. I think I'll stop by the state fair to see Carly and them, but your idea is clever on the face but it sounds an awful lot like slavery. I don't think - I think it'll go over like a lead balloon.

MICKELSON: No, just read the Constitution, Fred. What does the Constitution say about slavery?

CALLER: Well didn't we fix that in about 1865?

MICKELSON: Yeah we sure did and I'm willing to live with their fix. What does the 13th Amendment say?

CALLER: Well you know I don't have my Constitution in front of me and you know like I say, it sounds like a clever idea and maybe you can make it - put it in action, but I think the fall out would be so significant. And I, you know --

MICKELSON: What would be the nature of the fall out?

CALLER: Well I think everybody would believe it sounds like slavery?

MICKELSON: Well, what's wrong with slavery?

CALLER: Well we know what's wrong with slavery.

MICKELSON: Well apparently we don't because when we allow millions of people to come into the country who aren't here legally and people who are here are indentured to those people to pay their bills, their education of their kids, pay for their food, their food stamps, their medical bills, in some cases even subsidize their housing, and somehow the people who own the country, who pay the bills, pay the taxes, they get indentured to the new people who are not even supposed to be here. Isn't that a lot like slavery?

CALLER: Well you know, you're singing my song; we're all slaves today the way the government is growing -

MICKELSON: If that's the case, maybe it's time to reverse the process. Isn't this a perfectly good time to do that?

CALLER: Well that'll swing the pendulum back in a pretty broad swing and maybe too far and we may end up swinging back the other way further left than we are right now. I take it about halfway Jan. I think it's a clever idea, it's worth throwing out there. It isn't an easy topic -

MICKELSON: No this is pretty simple, actually this is very simple, what my solution is moral and it's legal. And I can't think - and it's also politically doable.

CALLER: So are you going to house all these people who have chosen to be indentured?

MICKELSON: Yes, yes, absolutely in a minimal fashion. We would take a lesson from Sheriff [Joe] Arpaio down in Arizona. Put up a tent village, we feed and water these new assets, we give them minimal shelter, minimal nutrition, and offer them the opportunity to work for the benefit of the taxpayers of the state of Iowa. All they have to do to avoid servitude is to leave.

CALLER: [laughing] Hey, good luck.

MICKELSON: All right, thank you very much I appreciate it.

CALLER: You bet. You bet.

MICKELSON: You think I'm just pulling your leg. I am not.

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Well, what's wrong with slavery?

Let that sink in for a minute.

Look, I don't care if you've got a Ronald Reagan tattoo and your porn search history is full of 8,000 variations of the term "Ayn Rand naked"... Conservative, Libertarian, Moderate, Liberal, Progressive or any variation, combination or bastardization of one or all; This... This is the rhetoric that pushes things over the edge. This is not a case of misinterpreting meaning or being overly sensitive.

This is an influential Conservative icon calling for the enslavement of a race of people.

This is despicable and so far beyond the pale as to be dangerous.

Now Conservative friends and adversaries.. Will you stand and agree that this talk is a bridge too far? Or will you double down and support what this man has said?

I am truly curious to see how this plays out.

Thanks for reading... Now I am off to take whatever sedative I can find... This is too much and enough is enough.

a reply to: Hefficide

I'm starting to feel like some American leaders are wanting you to be afraid of another group of people. It was terrorists, then it was Muslims and now apparently anybody who looks like they come from Mexico or South American in general.

Such a strange turn of events. And that people actually support this nonsense.

It's quite scary.

~Tenth

a reply to: Hefficide

Who is this "we" he keeps referring to? "We" are gonna do this, and "we" and gonna do that? Seems to me this bloke thinks it's right to turn human beings into state owned slaves because he happened to be born in a particular geographical location on the planet thanks to the good fortune of his mom and dads shenanigans one fateful evening.

we feed and water these new assets

Sounds like something Hilter and Stalin would say.

Jan Mickelson (and ilk) is a throw-back from the 1800's and is the very epitome' of everything wrong with American society.

Maybe his US citizenship should be revoked and given 30 days to leave dodge unless he can prove Native American heritage?

a reply to: Hefficide

He's fed up with the way things are and wants to take the perceived figurative slavery of the average Anerican, and even scales by making legal the literal slavery if illegal aliens.

If he wants people in his corner on this, he needs to convince the people whom he claims are figurative slaves, that their way of life is just as bad as literal slavery.

I really don't think that's going to happen, but you have to admit that what he's saying, he's probably saying as an attempt to wake people up to his perception that we are literally paying, through taxes, for illegals to live here.

a reply to: Hefficide

let's hope that reason takes over and this type of talk is called out for what it is and ends. unfortunately, it seems reason has left the united states political system.

a reply to: DeepImpactX

I've reread his words twice after reading your comment, and I am absolutely at a loss as to how his words could be construed as figurative. He speaks in definitive and planned terms about the details of his ideas. Figurative speech would be just that, figurative and not literal. Planning how and what people would be doing? That's literal.

Wait til you have been through 40 years of elections. Every presidential, new meat is given to the extremes to feed their hate.

It is the same with the email scandal of Clinton. It has gone beyond the thoughts of reason, now the extremes just froth with hate at just the mention of her name. And all this spills over into our society through our children. Everyone admires the Bully now. Look at Trump.

The comment "You think I'm just pulling your leg. I am not.".

Speechless
/Speechless

My comment: seek medication.

Republicans are in primaries mode, the more vile and disgusting things they say the more votes they will garner. Sadly that's the Republican party of today.

a reply to: Hefficide

He could have said we will create work for them and pay them minimum wage and if they refuse we will stop giving them benefits, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that plan.

I think many Americans would support minimum wage jobs over welfare for any able bodied welfare recipient.

But slaves living in a tent city. This guy is an idiot. He could have even said round them up and drop them off on the other side of the border. But no this idiot went straight to slavery with minimal living conditions.

Some people are lucky to be so out of touch with poverty that they can actually be so far removed from it that they think it is ok to say crap like this.

God forbid this man ever become poor and have limited ability to find employment. Then he might actually understand what an a$$ he is.

This is a very disturbing concept coming from an American in 2015. I wonder if his employer is going to let him get away with this. People have been fired for less. Maybe he will get a chance to be unemployed and have a difficult time finding employment after all.

a reply to: Hefficide

1. This guy is not a prominent anything. Rush Limbaugh is prominent. Sean Hannity is prominent. I've never heard of this AM radio host.

2. After reading the transcript, its pretty clear he was making a point about american citizens being salves for illegals by way of tax dollars and services.

3. Half the people in this thread have attributed this nobody's words to all Republicans. Can any of you name a single Republican who has suggested anything close to this?

4. We have the Democrats part openly courting racist grouops like La Raza and the BLM. One would think this would rise to a high outrage level, but instead we're supposed to be outraged at nobody AM radio hosts making bad rhetorical arguments.

If this law passes, and by God the South-of-Iowa shall rise again to make sure it does, then I will move to Des Moines, buy a plantation, put them to work in the fields, get myself a few illegals to work in the Big House (cook, butler, footman, nanny, and a guy to do windows), and sit on the porch to hear them sing happy songs about some chariot swinging low, or following the northern star or whatnot. Mammy, where's my slow gin tonic, be snappy now or it's back to the fields for you. Thank ya kindly.

a reply to: TheBulk

How many "nobody" hosts interview five major Presidential candidates in a single cycle?

As for the assertion that all Republicans are being pigeonholed... I did specifically state:

Look, I don't care if you've got a Ronald Reagan tattoo and your porn search history is full of 8,000 variations of the term "Ayn Rand naked"... Conservative, Libertarian, Moderate, Liberal, Progressive or any variation, combination or bastardization of one or all; This... This is the rhetoric that pushes things over the edge. This is not a case of misinterpreting meaning or being overly sensitive.

Now Conservative friends and adversaries.. Will you stand and agree that this talk is a bridge too far? Or will you double down and support what this man has said?

Obviously this would preclude assumptions of broad brush painting.

Point four? Are you suggesting that speaking to groups and stating that you want to enslave a group are apples to apples?

a reply to: TheBulk

He's prominent in Iowa in the Republican primaries - he apparently is one of, if not the, main voice in endorsing candidates. And Iowa's importance as the first primary/caucus state propels its winner on to New Hampshire with momentum and national media coverage. Yes, in that respect he is Republican and he is prominent. He may have ended some of that with these stupid comments, maybe too much time in Iowa has bored him to the point of nonsense and air-headed pronouncements.

okay that does it, i'm officially now a liberal. doh. i can't believe he is condoning slavery. man the left will eat that up and any conservative henceforth will be retaliated against by becoming the actual slaves. you'll be happy to even have a job to work and pay taxes to help illegal immigrants because the alternative will be NO FREEDOM WHATSOEVER.

DO UNTO OTHERS as you would have them do unto you.

holey rusted metal batman.

a reply to: TheBulk

dodge the bullet friend. nobody should be enslaved, not even illegal immigrants.

Too funny. So many people say that it is us socialists that want to make people slaves, yet here we have a conservative big shot on a radio station that is well-known and he openly advocates making people slaves.

This is the sort of thinking many, not most, conservatives have but lack the guts to actually say it. This is what we have come to expect from the modern American conservatives.

originally posted by: introvert
Too funny. So many people say that it is us socialists that want to make people slaves, yet here we have a conservative big shot on a radio station that is well-known and he openly advocates making people slaves.

This is the sort of thinking many, not most, conservatives have but lack the guts to actually say it. This is what we have come to expect from the modern American conservatives.

fascist socialism and marxist socialism are bed partners but that's neither here nor there. if asked if i would vote for a party that condones slavery, i would say NO! they couldn't attach enough perks to it to get me to agree with that. slavery of others is not a god given right. freedom from slavery, is, however.

a reply to: Hefficide

They were given a chance to leave.

I said we could take the legal children and revive the orphan train concept.

What part of: THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM do you not get?

As much as we would like to make life better for every single poor person in the world, and as much as you think we are so rich this country alone could do it, reality of math says otherwise. If we tried, it would end up very much like what happens when with the neighborhood crazy cat lady. You know the ones? Animal control has to end up rescuing way too many animals out her space and they are sick and dying.

But she started it all with the best of intentions. She just never imagined that in the end, it would end up with all of them being worse off than they would otherwise have been.

I am not against taking measured, systematic amounts of poor, disadvantaged people and helping them until they get on their feet, but what we have is an unchecked flow of poor, disadvantaged people from all over with no real accounting of who they are of how many or even where they are from.

a reply to: ketsuko

Are you seriously defending the concept of slavery with a cat lady anecdote and "They were given a chance to leave"???

I get that this is a serious problem. Though I suspect the serious problem I see is not the same one you are referencing. There is NO excuse to advocate for the involuntary enslavement of any group of peoples. This is the kind of crap we bomb other countries for and it is absolutely unconscionable that an American is advocating for it.

Well, what's wrong with slavery? is indefensible on all levels.