Tianjin was an act of sabotage and major escalation

a reply to: Silcone Synapse

I must admit,when I saw this video I thought it was a nuke-especially the last almost unbelievably massive explosion which is preceded with a blinding white flash,just like a nuke does:

The fires burning before the large explosion lends to a chemical fire, not a nuke. The smaller explosions proceeding may have tossed aerosolized chemical into the air, once mixed with oxygen, setting off a larger explosion. Fuel air explosives work on this principle.

a reply to: mungbean

Is it possible for a surface blast to create such a crater ?

Yes.

originally posted by: mungbean
a reply to: jaxnmarko

It has shut down the worlds fastest supercomputer that China uses for space and military tech ( not sure for how long )
Disrupted oil and natural gas shipments.
Disrupted the Chinese export trade ( this port handled nearly 10 percent of all trade )
Only hundreds of metres away from what is touted as the new world financial district
This will cost china many billions even after insurance is paid.
I could think of so many more reasons why this would be an attack.
I suppose if I had not been obsessively studying geopolitics and history ever since 911 and just caught this on the MSM news without any independent research - I too may dismiss it as just an accident. Something else much more sinister happened here !

Repeating that here for people to see again. Interesting observations…

If true the need to resort to violence suggests to me that China is winning the peace. The US still holds the military, economic and technological edge but China is catching up at astonishing speed.

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win

- Sun Tzu

a reply to: mungbean

Anyway, if anyone with the smarts could explain to me how a chemical explosion above ground could possibly create such a deep penetrating 3 acre hole in the ground ? Because with my limited knowledge of physics it just doesn't add up.

If you place a stick of dynamite on open ground it will not make a crater. If you place a thin sheet of binder paper on top of the dynamite the paper will reflect some of the energy back, producing a crater.

They also reflect blast waves with sand bags when demolishing bridge or building column supports. It contains the blast and directs more energy at the column. Drilled holes are packed with earth or sand after charges are placed in them, in mining.

This is called Tamping.

MungBean:

...a surface blast like that no matter what the chemicals will not produce a crater like that...

A surface blast most certainly can leave a crater, all it takes is a significant amount of the explosion to have enough downward force and of course, heat.

The explosions were immense, which means a large amount of materials stored in containers and tightly packed together, the containers themselves will give the blast different directions like surfaces do to sound, so a crater with explosions that big, is to be expected. Also, some of the stock could have been stored below ground level?

a reply to: elysiumfire

In all the call of duty games I played, I never seen a lake after an explosion goes off.

a reply to: mungbean

A more recent look at the blast site opens for me the possibility that there was an underground facility that exploded which explains that incredible crater.

However, being fairly close to the ocean--which is evidently why it has almost filled--tends to rule out that possibility or does it?

originally posted by: yulka
a reply to: elysiumfire

In all the call of duty games I played, I never seen a lake after an explosion goes off.

It's a port and right next to the water. The water table is right there. Have you ever tried to dig out the sand next to a body of water? Dig deep enough and the water comes up into the hole even if there is no direct link to the body of water itself.

Or watch your nature docs. It's what the elephants will do in otherwise dry riverbeds. They dig down deep enough and the water seeps up into the hole.

originally posted by: yulka
a reply to: elysiumfire

In all the call of duty games I played, I never seen a lake after an explosion goes off.

But you would have seen a kinetic rod strike, multiple if I recall correctly in Ghosts.

Remember the mission where you had to destroy the ground station comms?

...So they could safely transport up to Loki, without being intercepted in their space plane.....

PLease open a history book (a papery thing that has information in it ) and lookup chemical explosions. We've had a few in the UK. I remember Flixborough when I was a kid, looks just like Tianjin.

In Tianjin there are two facts that point to the problem:

1. A massive amount of illegally stored chemicals.
2. Scores of firefighters still missing who were caught in the blast i.e. were there before the explosion!

From what can be made from the timing it sounds suspiciously like a "normal sized" fire occurred, the firemen went to the scene and sprayed water onto the unknown chemicals. The water and the chemicals exploded!

One of the chemicals was Calcium Carbide which when mixed with water produces Acetylene gas....boom!!!!!

China is ruled by an elite group of capitalist millionaires who maximise profits by minimising safety. They call themselves the "communist party" to con everyone , especially the poor chinese citizen, into thinking the government is working for the peoples interests. They make the US and UK governments look like rank amateurs.

yulka:

In all the call of duty games I played, I never seen a lake after an explosion goes off.

Seriously. Are you for real? Call of Duty? Grow up!

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: mungbean

Is it possible for a surface blast to create such a crater ?

Yes.

Show me an example, please =)

a reply to: elysiumfire

It was sarcasm, Newtons third law and kinetic energy is not the same thing. But you would know that "right"

a reply to: EA006

i cant wait for the Star Wars game!!!

yulka:

It was sarcasm, Newtons third law and kinetic energy is not the same thing. But you would know that "right".

Sarcasm? It didn't work...how's that for an example of Newton's 3rd law?

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: mungbean

Anyway, if anyone with the smarts could explain to me how a chemical explosion above ground could possibly create such a deep penetrating 3 acre hole in the ground ? Because with my limited knowledge of physics it just doesn't add up.

If you place a stick of dynamite on open ground it will not make a crater. If you place a thin sheet of binder paper on top of the dynamite the paper will reflect some of the energy back, producing a crater.

They also reflect blast waves with sand bags when demolishing bridge or building column supports. It contains the blast and directs more energy at the column. Drilled holes are packed with earth or sand after charges are placed in them, in mining.

This is called Tamping.

Newton

Kinetic energy

Meteor crater

Volcanic crater

Where is the energy directed to?

a reply to: elysiumfire

So, whats ya point? Make one, im not for stories about assumptions what could have happened? Its a character flaw, or in simple terms your brain makes the stories as the story unfolds to fit in the gap. Your brain is hardwired for pattern recognition, when it can define a pattern it makes a story. Thank you, enjoy the sarcasm.

a reply to: intrptr

I would love to see some examples and parallels with this ? Most physicists tend to agree the crater looks very convincingly like a penetration impact.

Someone said you would have been able to see a rod from god if it was dropped. I say NO WAY - not after the smoke and initial fire and explosion. Plus those things move at kilometres per second - doubt that would be possible to be caught on camera when the third explosion occurred.

All I am sure of is that that crater was either impacted by something or there was an underground facility there - maybe a sub port ? Who knows ? Not me - BUT I am sure the official story is a load of # and it was something else that happened there.

Your right you probably wouldn't see it, but the damage would be on a different scale entirely.
Also would you use a million+ dollar bullet to deliver a non fatal wound to your enemy?