Confederate flags filmed being stolen, destroyed in new social media challenge

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
A 3 dollar flag isn't worth shooting someone.

Let's ask the exact opposite of this, then: Is stealing a $3 flag worth risking getting shot over?

Welcome to 2015...
Where people don't agree that someone should be shot, or contemplate if they'll be shot for making a protest, even if highly disagreeable.


The above question isn't worthy of an answer.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Do most cases include on/for your property while not wanting to remove someone's grey matter?

I'm pretty sure if these people are confident enough the courts will say a bullet is justifiable, so is a quick smack in the mouth.

a reply to: grimpachi

Secretly hoping?

I thought you responsible gun owners didn't like being called "itchy fingered" and being accused of "just waiting to use it"?

Learn something new everyday I guess.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Being from EUrope I can see how it would be hard to understand. Much of the "Rebel Flag" crowd livs in rural areas where emergency services are quite a ways away. People who live in such rural areas typically know the "8 oclock rule" (or whatever time is local custom). Basically, you don't go to anyones house unannounced after 8pm. My dad was "old school" and this was the hard and fast rule. Me...not so much. Although the older i get the more funny i am about it.

The nearest towns tend to be prison cottage industries in these rural areas. Its just a common thing.

So when you hear something going bump in the night outside....its not the same as it happening in urban Europe where the police are never more than 5 minutes away.

I doubt anyone would kill anyone else over a flag. but i can see someone being mistaken for an intruder meaning to do harm, and shooting.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: grimpachi

Secretly hoping?

I thought you responsible gun owners didn't like being called "itchy fingered" and being accused of "just waiting to use it"?

Learn something new everyday I guess.

I am human. People destroying and or stealing from me has a tendency to bring out my anger and make me a bit ruthless.


Those who have tested me on that have also learned.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Where people don't agree that someone should be shot, or contemplate if they'll be shot for making a protest, even if highly disagreeable.

I wasn't advocating shooting anyone over a flag, but it is a reality in some situations. Trespassing, vandalism, and theft are not protests or First Amendment issues, they're crimes. The reality of life, even in 2015, is that committing the wrong crime against the wrong victim can and does lead to perpetrators being shot. My question, under that reality, is 100% valid and deserves an answer.

Given the possibility of being shot over it, is a $3 flag worth the risks associated with trespassing to vandalize or steal it?

I realize that this being 2015, we've seen a couple of decades of efforts to remove personal responsibility from much of society... but let's not kid ourselves into believing that the individual making the choice to break the law (regardless of what statement they're trying to make in doing so) is the one who is ultimately placing a value on their life equivalent to that of a $3 flag.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Do most cases include on/for your property while not wanting to remove someone's grey matter?

Yes. I could end up in much more trouble for beating someone with my handgun than shooting them with it.

How many times do you crack someone in the pie hole? Once, twice, ten times?

I'm pretty sure if these people are confident enough the courts will say a bullet is justifiable, so is a quick smack in the mouth.

A dead guy who took a bullet is not going to be able to claim that you feloniously assaulted him and that you smacked him upside the cranium with your pistol grip. Blame our fun legal system but that is the result of an overly litigious society. You are better of killing them than beating them up a little (or a lot).

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Then what are we honestly debating?

I already said its idiotic and criminal...
I already know there are lunatics in the world who would shoot people for less than such an infringement...
So what's the argument?

It doesn't change my original point one bit.
Nor does it change yours I'm sure.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

lol thanks for the law lesson.

Strange concept, but that's life.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I guess it boils down to you need to respect another citizen's private and Constitutionally-protected property whether you agree with its message or not.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

lol thanks for the law lesson.

Strange concept, but that's life.

That is strictly the legal side, on the personal defense aspect I am not going to get close enough to someone with my handgun in a confrontation where they could possibly put their hands on the weapon.

A $3 flag? What printed on 8 X 11 inch paper on an ink jet printer. I imagine people pay 25 to 40 dollars for one to hang on a pole.

Still not worth dying or getting jail time over.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: yuppa

Stealing from my house, yeah...

Anything I leave outside that's worth a buck fifty isn't worth killing, or even wounding someone imo.

I'd just put another flag up...
Next to a beware of dog sign

Must be different in London, but property here extends to the road.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I can tell you've never lived in a rural area here in the US.

Simply the act of walking on to someone's property uninvited is trespassing, and is against the law.

Taking something from someone's property be it a $3,000 riding lawnmower or a $3 flag is stealing. Period.

First time it's a cheap flag. If they get away with it, what will it be the next time?

All this when the law is 30 minutes or more away from you.

Someone comes up on my property I would know their intentions. If they need help, fine. If they are lost, fine. If they sneak on to it in the dead of night, their going to end up pulling buck shot out of their rear ends. I have NO idea what they are there for, what they are after, or if they mean my family harm.

Sneaking on to someone's property to steal something is not only stupid, it is wrong.....and against the law. The dollar value of the property being stolen does not mater.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Nah we have similar customs and cut off points outside of an emergency, don't call or knock, it can wait type thing.

Our emergency service times are not too good either, if what's happened can cause you to bleed out within 10-15 minutes, you'll likely be DOA.

Couple years ago took the Gun squad half an hour to arrive at my residence for an altercation...
I could have killed the entire street by the time they arrived, but I like my neighbours

Anyways, like I said, it's an asshat attempt at protest, not a 1st Amendment type protest, but a silly one.

But nor is it life threatening unless someone is gonna harm someone else for having the flag...
Then empty the magazine.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

I was actually referring to someone who's already in the process of running off with a measly flag, or stomping on it...

Not someone you catch before hand not knowing their intentions.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

lol thanks for the law lesson.

Strange concept, but that's life.

That is strictly the legal side, on the personal defense aspect I am not going to get close enough to someone with my handgun in a confrontation where they could possibly put their hands on the weapon.

A critical thinker, I like it!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: TerminalVelocity

I was actually referring to someone who's already in the process of running off with a measly flag, or stomping on it...

Not someone you catch before hand not knowing their intentions.

They'll most likely STILL end up with a rear end full of buck shot.

The only person that knows their intentions are them. Not the property owner. They are still trespassing, and yes, people get shot for trespassing.

If I ever have to go up on someone's property out here in the country I make darn sure they can hear me, see my hands and I make loud my intentions (I'm lost, my car broke down, I'm here about the ad you put in the paper, etc). If it's a night, I certainly follow those rules.

Everyone that lives out here knows that.

Here where I live, if you get caught trespassing, you will be arrested, and if you keep doing it, you can end up doing prison time for it.

In many places, the property owner is not going to be found at fault due to things like Stand Your Ground.

Any idiot that pulls this stunt and get's themselves shot will have no tears from me, no mater how I feel about that flag. It will be their own damn fault.

This situation has gotten so out of hand, where is it going to end ?

a reply to: Hidinout

Well, they've thought of that as well.

One possibility is to mobilize the slaves-and by that I mean all of us- and engage their mediacreatures, to go after the celebrities who, at any time in their life, had anything to do with the
Confederate flag. At the very least, they now possess a honeypot collection of closet blackmail cargo, which, like a bond, depends on 'the future', for determining it's value.

So, watch for oh I dunno some one like Kid Rock to come out apologizing', stuff like that. While simultaneously endorsing some new thing, like a sex disease that kills ya. Or just making sure you turn off your lights when they say so. Maybe out of these mouths we'll hear how guns are bad, how 'it is time'; or how smart meters are essential to a recovery…endless possibilities.

Eww-hoo yep, they think of everything.
Their world. Their future.

If the seas ever get rough for them, remember this:

That is when a firm grip, even strangling in force, is kept on the ship's wheel.

# 477

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: beezzer I said three because of a video in this thread where a black guy knocked out a white guy over the rebel rag. If I had said 2 someone would have cried over that too. Whatever. Seven wouldn't make a trend either.

Yet one cracked asshole recording a video of himself with a rebel flag prior to shooting 9 African Americans in a church makes the flag a clear symbol of racism across the nation?

Perspective: you need some.

I literally could not have said it better myself had I sat down an actually tried to.



One bad apple...