Children as young as 12 are receiving drugs to prepare them for sex change!

a reply to: GetHyped

And again, thankfully they are a dying breed.

Dying breed. Yup. Moving on.

Reminds me of that Star Trek episode when they looked back and they go huh?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It's because they see a movement from a position of inequality towards equality as being an "advancing agenda" because from their bigoted perspective, the position of inequality is "deserved". But the waves of change keep breaking and washing away these relics so it's not all so bad.

a reply to: GetHyped

Yep, with each generation, tolerance grows more and more. Once it becomes something you grow up seeing all the time, it stops being "weird", "uncomfortable", or "scary".

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't make it not real. It's the parents and doctors that are dealing with these children on a daily basis. I'm sure they aren't making decisions like this flippantly. The state of being gay and the state of being 'born in the wrong body' are genetic and the tendencies are there from the very beginning.

My son is only 18 months and I can tell he's straight. Lol! At the grocery store he couldn't care less about men that try to talk to him. But boy, does he flirt with the ladies.

And my daughter is only 6 but she has outstanding communication skills. If she were expressing the feelings of actually being a boy I would have to take that seriously.

I can only believe that these children are leading the way on these treatments. As long as it's not being forced upon them (which I doubt) then I don't see the problem with it.

originally posted by: DaRAGE
a reply to: new_here

Oh boo hoo.. They get picked on during high school? Is that it? Nearly most of everyone gets picked on during high school. I doubt you can find a person who wasn't picked on or bullied during high school. And I doubt you can find they didn't have friends who could and or would back them up.

There were gays at my high school. You don't think they got picked on or bullied? They also had lots of friends who had their backs.

These drugs have been used millions of times. You don't think there is evidence of things you talk about, or adverse reactions, or completely the opposite? I'm sure there are risks. Just as there are risks associated with everything. Getting a flu shot has a 1 in 1 million risk of becoming paralyzed.... Getting anesthetic is like 10 in 1 million of death? Maybe there's a 20 in 1 million chance of staying the size of a 12 year old? Parents would be given the information... The child would be given the information.

Way to marginalize their feelings, there. I was asking a serious question about the distinct possibility of the psychological effect of the going thru high school prepubescent... nothing to do with bullies in the school... how it would FEEL to be the only person in their high school walking around in a child's body. I hardly think anyone would have to point that out to them daily, or be mean to them, for the sense of isolation to be felt.

As for your second paragraph/rant, I asked an honest question about the degree of a person's ability to 'catch up' physically after cessation of the hormone blocker. If you don't know, just say so. I was not interested in hearing about anesthesia and flu shots. I don't understand what that has to do with my question.

Why not just allow kids to be kids, and let them make their own choices and decisions when they are adults?

What if the parents and others involved get it wrong? They could destroy a person in the process.

Anyway, whenever perversions and mankind's attempts to play "God" with this world rise to these levels it always ends badly... Inevitably.

Leave the kids alone!

I only got about three pages into this thread before becoming absolutely disgusted by the amount of ignorance, malice, and bigotry contained within the replies.

Many of you are acting as if sexuality or gender identity are things that can be inflicted upon an individual, or that its an illness, a defect, or a choice.

Those mindsets make me feel sick and incredibly sad, and those with such mindsets, should be ashamed of themselves.

Deny ignorance, indeed.

originally posted by: queenofswordsThe brain is not even fully developed until the mid 20's!

Indeed. Therefore we better stop child abusing kids vulnerable minds with RELIGION then, too...!

originally posted by: butcherguy
Some parents won't let their kids get a tattoo until they are 18 years of age.

Interesting point. Here in Delaware it's illegal to get a tattoo before age 18. So how in the heck can something major like gender reassignment happen before being able to get a tattoo?

(I just looked up legal age for tattoos. Most every state is 18. Hawaii allows younger but they have tribal issues to consider so that's totally understandable).

ETA - If reassignment is to take place it should be AFTER the brain is fully developed. 12 years old isn't even close.

originally posted by: daryllyn
I only got about three pages into this thread before becoming absolutely disgusted by the amount of ignorance, malice, and bigotry contained within the replies.

Many of you are acting as if sexuality or gender identity are things that can be inflicted upon an individual, or that its an illness, a defect, or a choice.

That's the mind (*term used loosely) set of religio-inculcated plebes: If it's not "hetero-normative", it must be "unnatural" / evil / work of the Devil.

'Cause, you know... "God" made everything and everyone and "He" (not 'she') doesn't make mistakes. ...Well, besides the Jewish Holocaust, of course, and the myriad Sino wars and global World Wars and burning witches at the stake and female circumcisions (*male's okay -- he collects those!) and beheadings and rape and child molestation and famine and disease and mongoloidal child briths and paedophile Catholic priests and Islamic child brides and acid-throwing in women's faces and endemic subcontinental rape culture and Wall Street and "too big to fail" and Mao and Stalin and Nero and Mel Gibson...*

a reply to: AlexJowls

That's the mind (*term used loosely) set of religio-inculcated plebes: If it's not "hetero-normative", it must be "unnatural" / evil / work of the Devil.

'Cause, you know... "God" made everything and everyone and "He" (not 'she') doesn't make mistakes.

If "God" doesn't make mistakes, and we aren't to go against that.... no more lifesaving surgeries, no more fertility treatments, no more cosmetic procedures, no more birth control, no more anti-depressants, no more meds for anyone for that matter.... Oh you have pneumonia? Sorry, charlie, its God's will. Cancer? God's will. Unwanted pregnancy? God's will. Rape? God's will. Your baby has a heart defect? Too bad, so sad..... it was God's will that your baby was born that way and HE doesn't make mistakes!

Religion clouds the minds and logic of far too many, and this notion that being any degree of LGBT is unnatural, is completely ridiculous, being that many species of the animal kingdom, frequently display homosexual tendencies.

originally posted by: daryllyn
Religion clouds the minds and logic of far too many

Of course does -- that's its explicit purpose.

All systems of control - which are what all faith-based religio-dogmata fundamentally are - must remain intractable and strident with regard to their respective tenets. The more tolerance for change religions permit, the more diluted they invariably are, therefore the weaker they then are seen to be, and in turn, become.

This is why the most primordial religions are the most effective at persuading their adherents. Islam, for example, lacks a 'New Testament' - a 'PG-13' version of its Qur'an - and so its most fundamental precepts remain intact from the day of their inception. Christianity, on the other hand, uses the 1688 King James re-writing of the Old Testament to sell its wares - a far more congenial take on the vengeful "God" that the script originally portrayed - in order to broaden its appeal, yet is in fact weaker for it (see: push for female induction into the priesthood; homosexual relationship acceptance; contraception debates, etc). You do not see the latter occurring in Islam, even in its most "moderate" strands, because its interpreted in its raw form.

The paradox religion faces is that the more it moves with the times (i.e., evolves(!)), the less strength it has to its arm and the closer its ultimate demise looms. Yet, if it remains obdurate and refuses change, it becomes irrelevant through stagnation.

Indeed a delicious irony for the secular free-thinker to sit back on the sofa and munch popcorn to! xD

originally posted by: AlexJowls

originally posted by: daryllyn
Religion clouds the minds and logic of far too many

Of course does -- that's its explicit purpose.

All systems of control - which are what all faith-based religio-dogmata fundamentally are - must remain intractable and strident with regard to their respective tenets. The more tolerance for change religions permit, the more diluted they invariably are, therefore the weaker they then are seen to be, and in turn, become.

This is why the most primordial religions are the most effective at persuading their adherents. Islam, for example, lacks a 'New Testament' - a 'PG-13' version of its Qur'an - and so its most fundamental precepts remain intact from the day of their inception. Christianity, on the other hand, uses the 1688 King James re-writing of the Old Testament to sell its wares - a far more congenial take on the vengeful "God" that the script originally portrayed - in order to broaden its appeal, yet is in fact weaker for it (see: push for female induction into the priesthood; homosexual relationship acceptance; contraception debates, etc). You do not see the latter occurring in Islam, even in its most "moderate" strands, because its interpreted in its raw form.

The paradox religion faces is that the more it moves with the times (i.e., evolves(!)), the less strength it has to its arm and the closer its ultimate demise looms. Yet, if it remains obdurate and refuses change, it becomes irrelevant through stagnation.

Indeed a delicious irony for the secular free-thinker to sit back on the sofa and munch popcorn to! xD

Secularist free-thinker..... by that I suppose you mean a dogmatic relativist?

Islam actually has a future in this world. Just wait, the joke will be on you. People these days have an emptiness inside them that needs to be filled (the result of relativism- I.e. a debased form of humanism where everything is ultimately meaningless). People seek meaning in their lives, and religions like Islam give it to them. This is why people all over the world are converting faster than ever, especially in Europe and the West, the supposed bastion of "secular free thinkers".

Just wait, the joke's on you buddy. You've dug your own graves.

How did giving hormone blockers to a 12 year old become about Christianity vs Islam?

Did I miss something?

originally posted by: Annee

Did I miss something?

You missed the Christian-bashing that - ahem - was supposed to be addressed.

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Annee

Did I miss something?

You missed the Christian-bashing that - ahem - was supposed to be addressed.

But it's totally okay to bash someone for their sexual preference/gender identity?

To pretend that religious indoctrination doesn't play a role here, is vacuous, because it most certainly does.

I didn't bash christianity (not saying that you were referring to me specifically), I called it out for a huge lack of logic and critical thinking on this issue.

originally posted by: daryllyn

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Annee

Did I miss something?

You missed the Christian-bashing that - ahem - was supposed to be addressed.

But its okay to bash someone for their sexual preference?

"Do as I say, not as I do." has replaced "Treat others as you would like to be treated"

originally posted by: Annee
How did giving hormone blockers to a 12 year old become about Christianity vs Islam?

Did I miss something?

What? Who said anything about Christianity vs. Islam? The poster I quoted was alluding to Christianity being "diluted and weak", and I agreed with that. I simply pointed out that he was wrong about Islam, and that it in fact won't stangnate. Islam has a potent future ahead of it, and I explained why.

Anyway, I'm not the one who went off topic, that was your "secularist free thinker" friend who decided to turn this into a religious discussion. I just pointed out his error.

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Annee

Did I miss something?

You missed the Christian-bashing that - ahem - was supposed to be addressed.

I was some degree of Christian most of my life.

There are those (very few) who "walk in His footsteps" --- then there are those who listen to man's interpretations, fears, and judgements.

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What does any of that have to do with a 12 year old and hormone blockers?

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