Children as young as 12 are receiving drugs to prepare them for sex change!

originally posted by: queenofswords
Have We Gone Too Far

One reason is that social norms have dramatically changed. It is now fashionable to embrace your diverse child. Parents who encourage their kids to change gender “are socially rewarded as wonderful and accepting,” while parents who try to take it slow “are seen as unaccepting, lacking in affection and conservative,” she says.

Pediatricians seeing growing number of cross-gender kids

Experts say increasing numbers of little kids are showing up in doctors offices insisting they were born into the body of the wrong sex — kids like Coy Mathis, the 6-year-old child banned from using the girls' bathroom at her Fountain school because she is biologically male.

"We're seeing it all across the state," said Dr. Daniel Reirden, a Children's Hospital Colorado physician who said his referrals "went up 200-fold" after he spoke on the issue of children and gender-identity disorder at a recent conference.

Would you rather these kids who in years past would have been ostracized and made to feel ashamed (and often suicide as a result) be unhappy or dead?

Because that's pretty much how it was and to a large degree still is for those who aren't tolerated or accepted by their family (who is supposed to love them) or their community.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: zazzafrazz

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: queenofswords

Sounds like trauma programming to me, maybe the natural next step of mkultra and monarch.

Cheers - Dave

Thanks for that well thought out post. Not hysterical at all.

Makes sense, it's all about social engineering, destruction of the family system, making kids property of the "state," etc. You seem to be well programmed for this dysfunctional world, at least you appear to waving the torch for this dysfunctional process for kids that is open to tons of abuse by corrupt adults. It takes all kinds, but there is no virtue in being considered sane in an insane world.

Cheers - Dave

You remind me of thoughts and closed minds from the 50s.

I was there. I know how it was.

I prefer honesty and progressive knowledge to blinders and sweeping under the rug.

Hug graciously accepted and I'm just sharing my experiences with others with the intent of being helpful for those willing to listen.

There are more of us than we realize.

a reply to: JadeStar

originally posted by: Annee


I prefer honesty and progressive knowledge to blinders and sweeping under the rug.

Good to know:

The only thing the surgeon can change is the medical record, birth records and the perception that a change took place on the operating table. A DNA test would prove no sex change took place.

Not to give people ideas, but if a transgender person with no criminal record committed a crime with no witnesses, the only thing investigators would have to go on is the DNA. Wanna get away with murder? This whole sham is for appearances only.


Oh.....and it's all about Money?

Currently the acceptable treatment for gender disorders is to assist the patient to change gender. The doctor who originated the radical irreversible treatment in the 1960s, John Money, became best known for his fraudulent research, pedophilia activism and a long-held belief that gender was a learned behavior and not innate at birth.

Source

en.wikipedia.org...

Enjoy the honesty Annee

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: queenofswords
Have We Gone Too Far

One reason is that social norms have dramatically changed. It is now fashionable to embrace your diverse child. Parents who encourage their kids to change gender “are socially rewarded as wonderful and accepting,” while parents who try to take it slow “are seen as unaccepting, lacking in affection and conservative,” she says.

Pediatricians seeing growing number of cross-gender kids

Experts say increasing numbers of little kids are showing up in doctors offices insisting they were born into the body of the wrong sex — kids like Coy Mathis, the 6-year-old child banned from using the girls' bathroom at her Fountain school because she is biologically male.

"We're seeing it all across the state," said Dr. Daniel Reirden, a Children's Hospital Colorado physician who said his referrals "went up 200-fold" after he spoke on the issue of children and gender-identity disorder at a recent conference.

Would you rather these kids who in years past would have been ostracized and made to feel ashamed (and often suicide as a result) be unhappy or dead?

Because that's pretty much how it was and to a large degree still is for those who aren't tolerated or accepted by their family (who is supposed to love them) or their community.

Absolutely not. No child should suffer ostracism for something that is not his/her fault.

I understand the defensive stance. But, something is amiss when there has been a marked increase in transgender children. The transition process is difficult and not without risk to health, both mental and physical.

Why are people so against more money going into the study of the etiology when those studies might result in more definitive answers that might shed light on the problem and help avoid the painful process of physical sex changes.

originally posted by: queenofswords
The reason "Gender Identity Disorder" was changed to "Gender Dysphoria" in the new DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) was to emphasize the stress factor rather than the disorder factor.

Dysphoria is defined as an emotional state characterized by anxiety, depression, or unease. By doing this change in the name, it made it easier to get insurance to pay for gender reassignment surgery. Don't tell me there's not an agenda. And, of course, doctors and hospitals see $$$$$$$.

The only agenda is to get people the medical help they need.

Imagine for a moment how dysphoric YOU would be if you woke up tomorrow in the body of the opposite sex knowing that unless something were done you'd have to stay this way -the-rest-of-your-life-

a reply to: JadeStar

People live with dysphoria all the time.

Did you check out the thread on species dysphoria. Imagine for a moment waking up everyday knowing you are a wolf but not being able to do anything about it.

People have body integrity identity disorder and suffer immensely thinking they would be happier if only they could amputate a leg or an arm. You should watch some documentaries on this. It is heartbreaking.

People who are anorexic look in the mirror and see a big fat slob when they are practically emaciated.

Transgenders are not the only ones with dysphoria.

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: queenofswords
Have We Gone Too Far

One reason is that social norms have dramatically changed. It is now fashionable to embrace your diverse child. Parents who encourage their kids to change gender “are socially rewarded as wonderful and accepting,” while parents who try to take it slow “are seen as unaccepting, lacking in affection and conservative,” she says.

Pediatricians seeing growing number of cross-gender kids

Experts say increasing numbers of little kids are showing up in doctors offices insisting they were born into the body of the wrong sex — kids like Coy Mathis, the 6-year-old child banned from using the girls' bathroom at her Fountain school because she is biologically male.

"We're seeing it all across the state," said Dr. Daniel Reirden, a Children's Hospital Colorado physician who said his referrals "went up 200-fold" after he spoke on the issue of children and gender-identity disorder at a recent conference.

Would you rather these kids who in years past would have been ostracized and made to feel ashamed (and often suicide as a result) be unhappy or dead?

Because that's pretty much how it was and to a large degree still is for those who aren't tolerated or accepted by their family (who is supposed to love them) or their community.

Absolutely not. No child should suffer ostracism for something that is not his/her fault.

Exactly.

I understand the defensive stance.

Well it's hard not to want to defend the right of those children who like me knew who they were, knew something was wrong and chose to do something to help have a normal life.

But, something is amiss when there has been a marked increase in transgender children.


['quote]The transition process is difficult and not without risk to health, both mental and physical.

Not really. It is just that now after looking at plenty of case studies on the lives of those who transition at various stages in life they have determined that it is best that no hormonal damage is done for those kids who are trans.

Every transgender adult was a transgender kid. How they turned out often depended on how they were treated in their their formative years, not unlike cis-gender (non-transgender) people.

It is also that we have a society now where kids feel more comfortable talking about their feelings regarding this issue rather than pushing it under the rug until they are married with children.

Why are people so against more money going into the study of the etiology when those studies might result in more definitive answers that might shed light on the problem and help avoid the painful process of physical sex changes.

I feel that valid scientific research should be done in all areas of the sciences but there -have- been plenty of studies regarding this subject since the 1950s so it's not exactly like they are starting from scratch here.

As for physical sex changes being painful, I can think of nothing more painful in all aspects (emotionally, mentally, etc) than being forced to live a life that is not genuinely yours.

I'm so sick of this type of stuff. What is wrong with people in this world. I'm sorry but anyone who thinks this type of stuff is ok really needs to have their head examined. It's bad enough that they beat us down with homosexuality, now they want us to think that getting your kids ready for a possible sex change is smart.

Just because your 2 year old wakes up one morning and thinks they are the opposite sex doesn't mean you need to rush out and grab sex changing pills. If parents weren't so soft these days this wouldn't even be an issue.

a reply to: DeepImpactX

All kinds of stuff on Walt Heyer (web: sexchangeregret)

Walt Heyer was never transgender, yet underwent SRS. Distraught that he was approved for surgery, he hopes to make the psychological community stop SRS. Walt has a unique circumstance. Walt was eventually diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder, archaically called multiple personality disorder. One of his identities happened to be a woman and that identity gradually came into dominance. Not realizing this, he interpreted his feelings as transexual and had SRS. Eventually counselors gave him an accurate diagnosis which provided the proper treatment to eliminate his other false identities. Heyer's situation is undoubtedly tragic. Rather than going against transgender people, as most gender defenders do, Heyer criticizes the psychologists that approve any SRS. His story is not one of being transgender but of having a dissociative disorder. Walt was not transgender. So while God may have healed him from that disorder, it does not give insight about people who are transgender. Walt mistakenly, if not deceptively, assumes that because SRS was inappropriate for him, it is inappropriate for trans people too. He never gives a justification for this over-simplification.

www.transchristians.org...

originally posted by: RealTruthSeeker
I'm so sick of this type of stuff. What is wrong with people in this world. I'm sorry but anyone who thinks this type of stuff is ok really needs to have their head examined. It's bad enough that they beat us down with homosexuality, now they want us to think that getting your kids ready for a possible sex change is smart.

Just because your 2 year old wakes up one morning and thinks they are the opposite sex doesn't mean you need to rush out and grab sex changing pills. If parents weren't so soft these days this wouldn't even be an issue.

You've missed the point entirely.

#1 These aren't "sex changing pills" they are treatments to postpone puberty.

#2 Kids who feel this way have felt this way most if not all of their childhood. By the time they reach 12 if it were a "phase" it that would be abundantly clear.

#3 There is no better way for those of us who are girls born differently to have a normal, well adjusted life than to not be forced through an irreversible male puberty, condemning a lot of people to a hell they will likely never understand.

Some people are just more pro active when it comes to correcting or bettering themselves than others now aren't they?

a reply to: queenofswords

a reply to: JadeStar

Since you are being so open, would you mind answering a couple of questions for me. You say you are here to educate.

#1 - What is your very first memory (not necessarily about gender....just your very first memory)?

#2 - What age did you start feeling anxious?

#3 - Did you ever go to a child psychologist or psychiatrist?

#4 - Did you ever take anti-anxiety medications or meds for any other psychological reasons, or did your parents just eventually accept you as a girl in a boy's body without any psychological or psychiatric input?

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a reply to: queenofswords

Ooh Ooh I wanna play too...

Ok so

#1 I'm not sure which it would be but my very first memory would have to be from when my biological father was still alive so at about 4.

#2 this one is easy REALLY awkward or anxious as you say years were middle school.

#3 I did in fact see a child shrink who said all was fine just a little hyper, I believe it was the school counselor that wanted to put me on meds for behavior. I've always been a rebel and pretty much done what I want. Mom said no to Ritalin though.

#4 My parents were too worried about their own wants and paying the bills of course to really pay attention to me especially the older I got. I think they just kind of gave up.

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: queenofswords

That is a good article.

My 7 year old loves My Little Pony, but acts very much a boy.

I let him be who he is.

See...I think it is the parents' responsibility to guide a child through the earliest years helping that child to identify their sex. This whole notion of just letting a child flounder around trying to understand what a boy is and what a girl is and figure out for him/herself what gender they are is irresponsible on the part of the parents.

You confirm their identity when they are babies. "You are a boy...she is a girl". When he puts on a piece of female clothing, you gently take it off and say "no, that is for girls...you are a boy." You encourage and enable that child to understand and know what he or she is early on, and often.

My parents did that and all it did was make me sad, depressed and angry. Why? Because when they would do that I'd tell them they were wrong and furthermore, I -knew- inside that they were wrong because I did not feel at all comfortable with being told I was a boy or made to dress and look like one.

Honestly I remember telling my mom that if I was a boy then wished I had never been born.

Those were very unhappy years. THANKFULLY they didn't last forever or even into teenhood.

It was only AFTER I was allowed to live my truth starting at age 7, that my mood improved, that I began to have a normal relationship of understanding with my parents.

As I said, if you talk to my dad, he will tell you that he tried all of that stuff with me but it was completely ineffective not because of anything he didn't do properly but because of the strength of my convictions.

After about the 100th time giving me boy toys only to see me trade them for dolls and other girly things with my childhood best friend Alexis he gave up, as well he should have.

It was not going to help me by trying to "beat me into submission" and he realized that, as I said, even before my mom did.

I did NOT need confrontation. I needed confirmation and I was lucky to have loving parents who early on recognized that.

a reply to: Annee

That was interesting, thank you for that.

Just so you know, this interests me to the point where I feel sorry for how confused about themselves they are, and then I forget about it.

Kind of like. this.

a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Interesting. So, go back to the very first thing you can remember. Do you recall the memory?

Did your father die when you were a young child?

What a gigantic can of worms.
On one hand,...christ sakes, a kids mind changes with the wind. At the age of 5 I would have been a otherkin lion dragon bear.
at 11, I would have been a birdman with gills.

I want to say, treat it like a tattoo..once it is deemed responsible enough to alter their body, then go for it.

On the other hand...some valid points are made about someone who is fully convinced all their life they identify as a female stuck in a body..but what a ton of considerations to make, such as..were the parents pushing this for ? reasons, are they just depressed and not want to be themselves...are they mirroring some celeb they find trendy.

I think what needs to truely happen is a full effort to see if there are neurological and/or biological differences between a cis verses trans person to begin with. we should really let science step up.
If it is shown that there are differences, then I would be more comfortable with this idea...then it is just a body swap, and ultimately the person isn't a body, its a mind.

I look forward to many years down the road when swapping gender is about as difficult as buying a new pair of shoes...then we can focus on the mind of a person.

My personal bias is a man feeling like a man..therefore anyone who is different I simply dont understand. dont know how a man could feel like a woman, or a man liking other men, or etc...but hell, I also dont like anchovi's and dont understand people who like those. my inability to understand someones pulls and identity means nothing.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: DeepImpactX

All kinds of stuff on Walt Heyer (web: sexchangeregret)

Walt Heyer was never transgender, yet underwent SRS. Distraught that he was approved for surgery, he hopes to make the psychological community stop SRS. Walt has a unique circumstance. Walt was eventually diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder, archaically called multiple personality disorder. One of his identities happened to be a woman and that identity gradually came into dominance. Not realizing this, he interpreted his feelings as transexual and had SRS. Eventually counselors gave him an accurate diagnosis which provided the proper treatment to eliminate his other false identities. Heyer's situation is undoubtedly tragic. Rather than going against transgender people, as most gender defenders do, Heyer criticizes the psychologists that approve any SRS. His story is not one of being transgender but of having a dissociative disorder. Walt was not transgender. So while God may have healed him from that disorder, it does not give insight about people who are transgender. Walt mistakenly, if not deceptively, assumes that because SRS was inappropriate for him, it is inappropriate for trans people too. He never gives a justification for this over-simplification.

www.transchristians.org...

I once on the twitters commented on a story of a trans person that killed themself.
I said I think all people considering going through surgery need to seek therapy first. it was twitter, so of course I couldn't give a lengthy reason behind this.
I was of course raked across the coals for this..they suggest I wasn't being accepting, etc. but thats not the case
Anyone feeling different than who they see in the mirror could be suffering from many different disorders. SRS being one, or just heavy depression and seeking an escape, to legit identification issues.
Once therapists spend time with the person and have them discover their true reasons, then make the decision..what is happening is lots of trans people become suicidal because although the body changed, that wasn't the actual issue going on and they are still who they are.

I am finding progressives here are really screwing up. progressives used to be the ones pushing science with acceptance, not acceptance and reject any science. disturbing trend that will end up causing more harm than good.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: JadeStar

Since you are being so open, would you mind answering a couple of questions for me. You say you are here to educate.

Sure, I'll try.

#1 - What is your very first memory (not necessarily about gender....just your very first memory)?

You're probably not going to believe this but I remember my baby crib and the mobile in it. My mom said she couldn't believe it when I described it to her in some detail.

#2 - What age did you start feeling anxious?

Not long after I was told that I was a boy and made to feel "wrong" for wanting to be like my older sisters rather than my older brother. I believe I was 3 and a half or 4 and a half when I first cried when I was told I shouldn't want to, and couldn't wear a dress or play with dolls.

#3 - Did you ever go to a child psychologist or psychiatrist?

Yes. My mom and dad were concerned when they realized it wasn't just a phase. When the cuteness of dressing up in my sisters clothes wore off was around 6 or 7 and that's when i had to go see a child psychologist.

#4 - Did you ever take anti-anxiety medications or meds for any other psychological reasons, or did your parents just eventually accept you as a girl in a boy's body without any psychological or psychiatric input?

My parents just accepted me as a girl in a boy body after the psychologist confirmed to my parents what they already pretty much knew, that this was not a phase and that my feelings were deep and responsible for why I was so angry at them.

I got kicked out of Sunday school for asking why, if God was perfect and we were made in his image, that he created people who were blind or people like me who were really girls but told they were boys.

I think that was when my parents and I made our first trip to the psychologist.

As for anti-anxiety pills, I only took them once I got to high school to, help me with well, anxiety. I was not anxious before high school really so I did not need them but high school presented different issues.

High school is a stressful environment. Imagining your high school and then imagine being a girl born different and having to navigate both social circles while remaining focused on your grades. They were a godsend in this regard but as soon as I no longer needed them (I graduated a year early) I stopped taking them.