NLBS #48: The United States Is Not, And Never Was, A Christian Nation

At very least, isnt the US SECULAR?
Ie:
IN GOD WE TRUST
and
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE

a reply to: mandelaeffect

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country. In its original form it read: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

pledge origin

... two years after pushing to have the phrase “under God” inserted into the pledge of allegiance, President Dwight D. Eisenhower signs a law officially declaring “In God We Trust” to be the nation’s official motto. The law, P.L. 84-140, also mandated that the phrase be printed on all American paper currency. The phrase had been placed on U.S. coins since the Civil War when, according to the historical association of the United States Treasury, religious sentiment reached a peak. Eisenhower’s treasury secretary, George Humphrey, had suggested adding the phrase to paper currency as well.

Money Motto History

These are new additions not attributable to the founding of the country.

Were the founders of the American country all Protestant? Or..

originally posted by: mandelaeffect
Were the founders of the American country all Protestant? Or..

Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics.Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England, eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.

A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians such as Thomas Jefferson, who constructed the Jefferson Bible, and Benjamin Franklin. Others, notably Thomas Paine, who challenged institutionalized religion in The Age of Reason, were deists, or held beliefs very similar to those of deists. Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism".

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originally posted by: mandelaeffect
At very least, isnt the US SECULAR?
Ie:
IN GOD WE TRUST
and
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE

indivisible...thats funny, theism is one of the most dividing institutions on this rock. the founding fathers had hoped to help us rise above the petty quarrels of politics and theology, but its too profitable.

I agree that the US is not now, and never has been a christian nation.

I agree that the US is not now, and never has been a christian nation.

a reply to: theNLBS

From the state model, which says " In God We Trust", It shows that most actions and beliefs of the people are not based or focused on religious faiths which are in various forms but only in GOD. But the truth is that most leaders in America are Christians and they go to the churches instead of the mosques or the shrines. Another truth is that, America is a christian nation to most people by hearts and actions, and all the religious leaders proclaimed America to be so. The American land tolerates all religions but in actions the christian religion dominates the other ones and the point can be supported by the fact that no MUSLIM politician with MUSLIM name will ever defeat a christian to win the American PRESIDENCY. The christian religion is deemed as superior and supreme but no leader will ever proclaim that in the PUBLIC. Those people with muslim names and beliefs are given chances to survive but not to rule America, therefore we can say that America is a christian nation.
Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali and survived but after he had parkinson problem and his health deteriorated.

a reply to: stephenca

"God" is a generic term with no specific meaning or link to any particular Religion. It is no more Christian than it is Masonic or Muslim and could just as well refer to Zeus or Thoth as it does Jesus. "God" means many different things to many different people from a personal God to an energy that permeates the universe.

"In God We Trust" was adopted as the nation's motto in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782.

"In God we trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864 and has appeared on paper currency since 1957.


Christianity does dominate America this is true. But as for it being "superior and supreme" I'd say that is just opinion. Everyone thinks their own religion is "superior and supreme". Personally I find your idea of superiority because of religion to be quite shameful actually and also the reason why I'm glad we operate officially as a Secular Society.

Whether or not a Muslim ever gets to be President or how much or how little you choose to Tolerate them still doesn't change the fact that America is not and was not ever meant to be a Christian Nation officially.

BTW, it is not by the Grace of Christian Tolerance that the rest of us Survive. That is just your superiority complex stroking your ego and inflating your sense of self worth. We'll survive whether Christians tolerate it or not.

a reply to: theNLBS
Dogma is delusion in a tuxedo

a reply to: theNLBS

This is great documentation of why America is NOT a Christian nation. I had to find it in the archives though because the original site is no longer maintained.

• web.archive.org...
  
• freethought.mbdojo.com...
  

(Can't figure out how to post the combined link so right click on first link and choose "copy link location" or whatever, paste into URL new tab/page then do the same for the second link and paste it right after the first one.)

But don't believe the haters! America IS a Christian Nation and here is the proof...

originally posted by: originalbleak
a reply to: theNLBS

When you post YouTube videos, don't copy the entire link. Just the numbers after the = sign. It should be viewable now in my reply.

a reply to: peter vlar

Thank you.

a reply to: originalbleak

No worries. The video was worth watching so I wanted to make sure it was easily viewed. Thanks for posting it.

Money has always been God in todays age. It's what divides the rich from the poor. A few thousand years ago it was goats and livestock.

Great video!

People need to be taught how to preach. United by race, divided by religion.

The sad state of the world.

Well the Sultan of Morocco in 1777 was the first to recognize United States of America I told somebody that and they said our Navy was up there around that area a lot too

Indeed, we are neither a Christian Nation, nor a Democracy; nevertheless, without further checks and balances our elected representatives duly finance other's wars, tragedy, and economies. reply to: Ghost147