NLBS #48: The United States Is Not, And Never Was, A Christian Nation

Given the increased in religiously-inspired rhetoric in the election season ramp-up, and the various pundits and politicians adamantly stating the US is a "Christian Nation," we decided to dig into this particularly sensitive pile of BS. Because to us, the BS seems rather intense that a nation could go from it's founding fathers sending threatening letters to early faith-based local governments, to Presidents and Senators claiming Christian Nation status. We find the origins of the claim, and it might all come down to the placement of a comma in an historic speech.




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oh good lord, ya done it now NLBS. you just had to unload on their faith and their patriotism in one pass.

brace yourselves...

I can't stand when stuff like this is claimed by people (when people claim their religion started it all without looking at the facts). It's worse than simply being ignorant of the facts, which is in entirely innocent. However, it goes beyond that, it's willfully rejecting reality to sustain a particular view of a belief system which requires ignorance in order to keep it's followers.

Honestly, what really makes Christianity any worse or better if your country wasn't founded by it's concepts? What really makes your religion better or worse if someone (such as Hitler) did terrible things in the name of that religion? It's not necessarily the religions fault, nor does it shine a poor light on it. These actions are carried out by individuals whom are responsible for themselves.

Nevertheless, readily ignoring evidence that could not be any more clear is so much worse than any other action. That mentality is taught to their children, and their children's children. It spreads and leaves the world in an irrational state.

a reply to: theNLBS

Fantastic job! If only the founding fathers' desires for this country would have prevailed to today. There are so many laws based in religion now, it would be nearly impossible to root them out. Thank you, Hobby Lobby...

a reply to: TzarChasm

I think you misread my post. I agree with everything in the video. I find it unacceptable that people do think that the US is a christian nation.

a reply to: theNLBS

Great video!
Just in time for election season where this talk track will no doubt be ramped up.

As far as a charity, Make a Wish Foundation is one of my personal favorites to donate to when I can.
I think they do some great things.

originally posted by: Ghost147
a reply to: TzarChasm

I think you misread my post. I agree with everything in the video. I find it unacceptable that people do think that the US is a christian nation.

i did. deleted with my sincere apologies.

Great NLBS!

Oh boy... this thread is going to be a good one.

a reply to: TzarChasm

No problem, it happens to the best of us

a reply to: theNLBS

I hadn't heard about Texas text books including Moses and the Old Testament as influencing the founding fathers and the Constitution! Looked it up, and it's too true.

the new textbooks also include passages that suggest Moses influenced the writing of the Constitution and that the roots of democracy can be found in the Old Testament. Scholars from across the country have said such claims are inaccurate and mislead students about the historical record. - See more at: www.patheos.com...

Just goes to show what I've always said all along, some Christians are willing to lie for Jesus, and the means justify the ends! I suppose this is a case in some courtroom somewhere, I hope.

a reply to: theNLBS

Go get that NLBS swag ya'll

So glad that you finally addressed this on NLBS!! It sort of makes it official now in a way. Maybe those that promote such an incorrect version of history will finally listen to some sense now and stop pushing their BS.

Good job Joe!!

Prepare for the Religious Haters though as they will not like this or you for saying it.

a reply to: theNLBS

In the traditional sense they were mostly deist. Had profound rational thoughts about god through reason and most of the founders thought organized religeon held back progress.

However, John Locke was very christian and quite a bit of the founders philosophy and the over all concept in the bill of rights was from Two Treaties of Government. So it could be argued christianity had a role. Locke did use the bible to try and come up with concepts of liberty and justice.

If we were a Christian nation, the current paradigm would be to give our wealth away instead of the gluttonous spending sprees our fearless leaders encourage; to not smite our enemies, but rather embrace them; to not see the color of one's skin, but glare upon the goodness of their heart............or so the Fallacy of Jesus's teachings goes.

Political Campaigns built on Christian gospel, are nothing more than a pandering to the weak minded - which unfortunately works more often than not.

I don't buy into any organized religion, but if I did, I'd have no wealth other than my moral compass. I'd have no political power, other than my ability to convince my brothers and sisters that I am servant to their needs. I'd have no aspirations other than to ensure my brethren that I will stand by their side under any circumstance...

A Christian nation my ass...

a reply to: BestinShow

sounds like you wish it was a christian nation.

This should be an interesting thread...

The founding fathers were, in large part, deists. As to whether that was a majority, I don't know. Given how the Constitution is worded, not to mention the Declaration of Independence, their will dominated.

de·ism
ˈdēizəm,ˈdāizəm/Submit
noun
belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.

They also strongly, obviously, believed in the separation of Church and State.

Their beliefs reflect mine very strongly, so I suppose that makes me a deist. So, something in common with Ben Franklin? How cool is that??

Given that the U.S. is a very religious nation, I'm not sure how one can get away from religious influences in Govt.? For better or for worse, it's going to happen.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: BestinShow

sounds like you wish it was a christian nation.

No, I don't...I find religion a poor substitute for personal responsibility.

I just don't do things half-ass'd...kinda like your perception of my previous post.

originally posted by: luthier
However, John Locke was very christian and quite a bit of the founders philosophy and the over all concept in the bill of rights was from Two Treaties of Government.

Locke didn't play a role in the founding of the US. However, Thomas Jefferson was influenced by Locke's "Natural Rights" theories, which were revolutionary ideas in England at the time (late 1600's). But while he advocated tolerance of other religions, he staunchly would not tolerate atheism, which the founding fathers did tolerate.

a reply to: theNLBS



I enjoyed every bit of that. Awesome work, I'm really glad that I watched it.