Would Invading Mexico Solve All USAs Immigration Problems?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No country has a military that can stop ours

One word, Three syllables

Vietnam.

^ ( you should always add the amount of syllables when using that particular phrase )


& has the US learned their mistake of invasion & occupation?
Baby steps, lol.

There is quite a difference, though, in Vietnams army attempting to liberate the mexican peoples. Not to mention the exponential growths in technology since that time.

I wonder... what if instead of just forcing ourselves into their country to take it over, why don't we just offer them some attractive deals they can't refuse? What if we tell the cartels that we will legalize drugs, and allow them to continue their business - we'll just make it legit. They would have to let themselves be regulated, but their profits would be safe.

We need to move more companies down there once it becomes part of America, and hire the locals. Then we have more products "made in America", just like we want. We pay them the minimum wage - they'll be happy to get it.

I don't know - haven't thought it through long enough. Just seems to me their country is suffering and they might be willing to make some deals. Doesn't solve the problem of national pride though. How to deal with them wanting to remain Mexico and still improve their situation.

a reply to: Kryties

Not twist, quote.
2nd.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

It is YOU who seems confused about the difference between legal right and moral right. Perhaps a dictionary would help you?

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: doompornjunkie

It is YOU who seems confused about the difference between legal right and moral right. Perhaps a dictionary would help you?

Morally right? Like forking over hundreds every month for health insurance while illegals get it for free?

If we made Mexico a territory a lot of moral issues would be easier to handle!

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I wonder... what if instead of just forcing ourselves into their country to take it over, why don't we just offer them some attractive deals they can't refuse? What if we tell the cartels that we will legalize drugs, and allow them to continue their business - we'll just make it legit. They would have to let themselves be regulated, but their profits would be safe.

We need to move more companies down there once it becomes part of America, and hire the locals. Then we have more products "made in America", just like we want. We pay them the minimum wage - they'll be happy to get it.

I don't know - haven't thought it through long enough. Just seems to me their country is suffering and they might be willing to make some deals. Doesn't solve the problem of national pride though. How to deal with them wanting to remain Mexico and still improve their situation.

I don't understand where our bombs will go in your situation...

Seriously though... I've wondered about that as well... What's the method of "Offering" another country to be a new State(s)? I think the issue there wouldn't be the people, but the politicians, they wouldn't want to lose their positions. I suppose the president can become governor etc. Probably a lot more paperwork in your scenario, and much easier to just bomb and do it as we want without having to negotiate, would be faster too.

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I wonder... what if instead of just forcing ourselves into their country to take it over, why don't we just offer them some attractive deals they can't refuse? What if we tell the cartels that we will legalize drugs, and allow them to continue their business - we'll just make it legit. They would have to let themselves be regulated, but their profits would be safe.

We need to move more companies down there once it becomes part of America, and hire the locals. Then we have more products "made in America", just like we want. We pay them the minimum wage - they'll be happy to get it.

I don't know - haven't thought it through long enough. Just seems to me their country is suffering and they might be willing to make some deals. Doesn't solve the problem of national pride though. How to deal with them wanting to remain Mexico and still improve their situation.

I don't understand where our bombs will go in your situation...

Seriously though... I've wondered about that as well... What's the method of "Offering" another country to be a new State(s)? I think the issue there wouldn't be the people, but the politicians, they wouldn't want to lose their positions. I suppose the president can become governor etc. Probably a lot more paperwork in your scenario, and much easier to just bomb and do it as we want without having to negotiate, would be faster too.

I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO A RUSSIA DEBATE!

However wasn't this recently justified via a vote in Ukraine by Putin?

What if we allowed the Mexican citizens to vote on whether they wanted to be a territory or not?

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

Morally right? Like forking over hundreds every month for health insurance while illegals get it for free?

That is an internal American issue, it doesn't give America permission to invade a sovereign country. Fix your own #, don't put the blame elsewhere then invade them.

If we made Mexico a territory a lot of moral issues would be easier to handle!

Which brings me back to my original post asking what gives America the right to invade a sovereign country?

See how that works?

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

Uhhh no?? You stated that we shouldn't hypothesize, and I stated I am free to do so. WTF?

You may be free to do so, but it still doesn't make it right.

No it is right. It is literally A RIGHT. A right protected by our constitution.

You seem confused.

There are very few countries in the world where you can't debate what you want, not sure why you think America is somehow unique. Not sure though that the American constitution covers invading and colonising another sovereign country so arguably what you are proposing is unconstitutional so not sure where that would lead the debate - or would America do what it usually does, add amend their constitution and claim that is now another right?

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I wonder... what if instead of just forcing ourselves into their country to take it over, why don't we just offer them some attractive deals they can't refuse? What if we tell the cartels that we will legalize drugs, and allow them to continue their business - we'll just make it legit. They would have to let themselves be regulated, but their profits would be safe.

We need to move more companies down there once it becomes part of America, and hire the locals. Then we have more products "made in America", just like we want. We pay them the minimum wage - they'll be happy to get it.

I don't know - haven't thought it through long enough. Just seems to me their country is suffering and they might be willing to make some deals. Doesn't solve the problem of national pride though. How to deal with them wanting to remain Mexico and still improve their situation.

I don't understand where our bombs will go in your situation...

Seriously though... I've wondered about that as well... What's the method of "Offering" another country to be a new State(s)? I think the issue there wouldn't be the people, but the politicians, they wouldn't want to lose their positions. I suppose the president can become governor etc. Probably a lot more paperwork in your scenario, and much easier to just bomb and do it as we want without having to negotiate, would be faster too.

I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO A RUSSIA DEBATE!

However wasn't this recently justified via a vote in Ukraine by Putin?

What if we allowed the Mexican citizens to vote on whether they wanted to be a territory or not?

Exactly. If we say, "this is what we will provide to you if you vote yes." I'd bet a whole lot of them would. That would be half the battle. If we can get the drug cartel on our side, that would be the other half.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I wonder... what if instead of just forcing ourselves into their country to take it over, why don't we just offer them some attractive deals they can't refuse? What if we tell the cartels that we will legalize drugs, and allow them to continue their business - we'll just make it legit. They would have to let themselves be regulated, but their profits would be safe.

We need to move more companies down there once it becomes part of America, and hire the locals. Then we have more products "made in America", just like we want. We pay them the minimum wage - they'll be happy to get it.

I don't know - haven't thought it through long enough. Just seems to me their country is suffering and they might be willing to make some deals. Doesn't solve the problem of national pride though. How to deal with them wanting to remain Mexico and still improve their situation.

I don't understand where our bombs will go in your situation...

Seriously though... I've wondered about that as well... What's the method of "Offering" another country to be a new State(s)? I think the issue there wouldn't be the people, but the politicians, they wouldn't want to lose their positions. I suppose the president can become governor etc. Probably a lot more paperwork in your scenario, and much easier to just bomb and do it as we want without having to negotiate, would be faster too.

I DO NOT WANT TO GET INTO A RUSSIA DEBATE!

However wasn't this recently justified via a vote in Ukraine by Putin?

What if we allowed the Mexican citizens to vote on whether they wanted to be a territory or not?

Oh that's not a bad idea, we'd still have to send our military to "ensure Fairness" but could be less bloody... I think it would have to be a province by province situation in that scenario. That would actually probably be a better idea as we could take in Mexico slowly instead of all at once, start on the border provinces and work our way down... maybe even leave a few provinces and "Mexico" would still exist just much much smaller...

Curious idea, i'd like to hear other thoughts on this idea of allowing them to "Vote."

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

If we made Mexico a territory a lot of moral issues would be easier to handle!

Which brings me back to my original post asking what gives America the right to invade a sovereign country?

See how that works?

The fact that they are already invading us. Forget all the cross the desert and hide from ICE BS, why not just make it big and public, get it over with once and for all. I have no faith in building a wall of any size or threatening them with imprisonment if they are caught here illegally. Why not just get it over with already #AnnexMexico

originally posted by: Eunuchorn

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: Eunuchorn

Many of the non USA born Mexicans I know would happily go back to Mexico if they could earn the same wage as they do here. So if we were to make them a US territory and prop up their economy I don't see this being a particularly huge issue with the Mexicans I know at least.

Also if they didn't want to be Americans they why do they trample over each other to get across the border?

I'm all for it as long as the cartels get screwed and the rest pay their taxes.

An unforeseen outcome could be a lot of "emigration" back to "Mexico" assuming it doesn't take forever & a day to normalize the existing social structures in line with US protocol & policy.

It might, but Mexico would have to be built up to a point where people desire to emigrate back and this means a lot of things--security, infrastructure, jobs, etc. The cost of rebuilding the place to that point may outweigh the savings.

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor
a reply to: doompornjunkie

This idea just keeps looking better and better... so to sum it up:

No More Illegal Immigration Problem

No More Drug Cartel Problem

Illegals already Present in America eventually start heading BACK to the now developing Mexico

They are labeled as "Subjects" temporarily until a time they can be up to US Standards and be afforded Welfare and the many other benefits of citizenship.

And no one will stop us, Canada might help,

This is a great plan, I'm putting forward NAVYDOC as the General, he seems to know what he's talking about

& imagine how ridiculously cheap & quickl it would be to get troops & equipment to strategic locations.

There would be no tanks getting left behind, & all property of the cartels & standing mexican military are seized by US army.

Why is our government taking their sweet time trying to quietly pass NAU when the most obvious economic boost is right on our door step, lol.

I think this would be the ideal first step towards an NWO one world government, despite the official outcome. If it goes "flawlessly", with low civilian casualties, the U.S. can he like "Hey look everyone! We finally did it right! How about you join us willingly?"
Or its a disaster & the rest of the world goes "nows our chance to break the dollar & crush the US. We become the scapegoat we were always meant to be. The UN becomes the WUN. USA? Sorry, what's that?

The only chance of saving our civilization is global debt forgiveness & eradication of keynsian economics & modern banking. Those things may not require NWO, but an NWO would sure as hell help. However, this is something for another thread, hah

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

The fact that they are already invading us.

So you're saying the Mexican immigrants are 'invading" America with tanks, bombs, guns, jets, nukes and generally everything a military might use to invade?

Wow. Just wow. The delusion is strong here.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

The fact that they are already invading us.

So you're saying the Mexican immigrants are 'invading" America with tanks, bombs, guns, jets, nukes and generally everything a military might use to invade?

Wow. Just wow. The delusion is strong here.

Catch up. We are now discussing putting it to a vote before using military force. It wouldn't technically be an invasion.
#AnnexMexico

a reply to: SlapMonkey
Everyone tends to forget the Treaty of Hidalgo, which was signed back on 02/02/1848. This treaty ended the Mexican/American War. In that Treaty, apart from setting the official boarders of the USA, the land was not stolen, by the USA, but was actually paid for: 15 million dollars was the set price and agreed on by both DC and Mexico. A further 10 million was paid to Mexico later in the Gadson purchase.
The other part in that treaty, granted automatic citizenship to all Mexican nationals who were living at the time in the newly paid for lands. Back then the majority of the lands were plains, or desert, not worth much or good for anything on anyone’s part. And back then the currency was backed by the value of the gold that the government had, so this was hard currency.

Taking over Mexico, would not solve any problems, if anything it would be chaos and cause more problems for both sides. Many people in the United States are tired of the federal governments foreign policies, and doing such would cause more problems in the long run for the country in global economics and in dealing with other countries. Would adding in millions more people to the system help, no, it would cause the country to have more problems than it already has going right now.

I believe the winning solution for all around, would be for the USA to take on more of an isolationist view, and close its borders fully. To allow for a point of peace and to heal, to sort out the mess of the internal policies that are causing the messes and problems right now. The country is fracturing and this would be another fracture that would run too deep. And if we did, the USA would end up absorbing more debt than it could handle, as Mexico is highly in debt. The USA if it was not in debt, maybe, but right now, no.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

America has done this a lot. History is full of examples.

Take Germany for instance,

Like in your scenario, the country was invaded and and has remained occupied till this day. Oh theres no star on the flag, but the maps were redrawn. Tens of thousands of US troops occupy their soil on numerous bases with fighter aircraft, tanks and even nuclear weapons.

Of course this is smoothed over in political jargon, they are called an ally. But really they don't have any choice about the US presence occupying their country.

Just one example of how we roll, they are sovereign but the reality is far from the true meaning of that word.

I'm going to go ahead and answer the question posed by the OP. No. Invading Mexico will not stop our immigration problems. The cartels will just relocate further south and immigrants will continue to flood our borders. Granted, our southern border would end up being smaller, but we'd also be extending our coastlines as well. With all the jungles in Mexico, it would be easy to have someone enter the country through the ocean then slip into the jungle to avoid patrols on the ground.

Annexing Mexico also means absorbing Mexico's economy. Such a hit on our economy would most likely cause our country to spiral into recession. The average wage in Mexico is MUCH lower than it is here and until those people are properly compensated by their employers (not likely since most of them work for the cartels), they'll become a HUGE drain on our welfare system.

The true solution to the illegal immigration problem is to end the war on drugs. The war on drugs creates the violence that the Mexicans are fleeing to our country. Then, once drugs are legalized, we need to work with the Mexican government to try to root out the corruption within it. If we can help build Mexico up as a country that can stand on its own. Only THEN will the immigration problem stop.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig


Would adding in millions more people to the system help, no, it would cause the country to have more problems than it already has going right now.

What if, as someone suggested, we do it slowly? Start with the border territories first, then move down. It could take many years, but if we integrated slowly, it might not be as catastrophic as you think.