Would Invading Mexico Solve All USAs Immigration Problems?

a reply to: Eunuchorn

S&F.

I like the idea. As for the cartels, push them into middle America and let us hunters/rednecks deal with them.

Lets do this!

a reply to: KawRider9

I bet as soon as the operation is made official, military enrollment would skyrocket.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
It seems to me that suddenly adding a hundred million or so to our welfare roles would be disastrous. The vast majority of Mexico's population live well below what the US considers poverty. We make them citizens, we become responsible for them.

If we are going to have a mental exercise on this, it would serve us better to take over and make them a "protectorate" like we did with the Philippines.

Purely for the mental exercise/discussion. I'm opposed to an Imperialistic US. OTOH, if we are going to be an empire, we might as well do it right.

Do we have to label them as citizens right away? Couldn't we theoretically created a temporary second tier citizen with some but not all rights for a "buffer time"?

If we did that and made them ineligible for welfare, at least not right awAy, would that solve the problem?

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Kryties

China doesn't have the blue water navy to make them a threat. Also right now their economy is tied to tightly to ours to make economic threats a concern .

On topic:

It would create many more issues than it would solve... could we... Certainly with ease... Then we would see a truly nasty insurrection.

Your entire post was in topic bro, don't sell yourself short. Any thoughts on some of the potential specific outcomes?

originally posted by: Kryties
a reply to: Eunuchorn

What gives America the right to invade a sovereign country?

Hell, with Mexicos compete inability to control their border with us, and their tacit acceptance of millions of their citizens illegally entering the US.....They're the ones invading a sovereign country. Illegals remit billions of dollars back to Mexico every year.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Kryties

That's cool. China still has to cross the ocean to get to us. Too bad they don't have a Navy that can compete with ours or one that can utilize their superior numbers.

They don't need a navy to lob several hundred nukes at you then follow up with an invasion of 2 billion people.

Only you would think china is stupid enough to drop multiple nukes somewhere & follow it up by sending 2billion citizens there.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

No... No... And HELL no!

The only place that I can think of, which would be a more inadvisable target for an invasion, would be the US itself. The place, Mexico, is crawling with heavy handed cartels, military grade butchers with heavy weapons, fuelled by illegal combat drug concoctions, and an upbringing full of violence informing their psychoses.

Unless the plan is to flatten the place completely, I would advise against it.

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a reply to: Eunuchorn

There is that group in southern Mexico that decided to ignore some laws arm themselves and take matters into there own hands...And they ran the cartels out of a few counties. They are still loyal to Mexico, I imagine they would fight hard, and I am sure there are other citizen groups.

The cartels would be the biggest problem. They would stand to lose a lot, and they have the cash to finance a decades long insurrection.

Second biggest issue is the corruption, it's part of the culture in many areas down there... I don't even know have a clue on how to break that cycle. Which leads to if you can't trust the locals you have to replace them... And if you bring in foreigners to over see things... Well that has rarely ended well in history.

a reply to: Eunuchorn

Many of the non USA born Mexicans I know would happily go back to Mexico if they could earn the same wage as they do here. So if we were to make them a US territory and prop up their economy I don't see this being a particularly huge issue with the Mexicans I know at least.

Also if they didn't want to be Americans they why do they trample over each other to get across the border?

I'm all for it as long as the cartels get screwed and the rest pay their taxes.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn

Only you would think china is stupid enough to drop multiple nukes somewhere & follow it up by sending 2billion citizens there.

Me, and my mate Napoleon. Oh and the countless others out there.....

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: NavyDoc
It seems to me that suddenly adding a hundred million or so to our welfare roles would be disastrous. The vast majority of Mexico's population live well below what the US considers poverty. We make them citizens, we become responsible for them.

If we are going to have a mental exercise on this, it would serve us better to take over and make them a "protectorate" like we did with the Philippines.

Purely for the mental exercise/discussion. I'm opposed to an Imperialistic US. OTOH, if we are going to be an empire, we might as well do it right.

Do we have to label them as citizens right away? Couldn't we theoretically created a temporary second tier citizen with some but not all rights for a "buffer time"?

If we did that and made them ineligible for welfare, at least not right awAy, would that solve the problem?

I guess if you convince the people of the US to allow such an invasion, you could also convince them to allow this process, sort of like the way the Romans treated the annexed provinces--they were subjects of Rome, but not Citizens, and could earn citizenship over time through service.

I think that modeling the Roman empire would be the course of action in this hypothetical exercise.

a reply to: TrueBrit

The Mexicans HATE the cartels. If the citizens knew they were backed up by the US military I guarantee the cartels would come under massive opposition from all sides.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

Also if they didn't want to be Americans they why do they trample over each other to get across the border?

To get away from the cartels and the violence. America just happens to have a border with Mexico so that's where they go - if China, or India or another country shared a border (and didn't have the same violence) then that's where the Mexicans would head. It has nothing to do with them "wanting" to be Americans.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Eunuchorn

No... No... And HELL no!

The only place that I can think of, which would be a more inadvisable target for an invasion, would be the US itself. The place, Mexico, is crawling with heavy handed cartels, military grade butchers with heavy weapons, fuelled by illegal combat drug concoctions, and an upbringing full of violence informing their psychoses.

Unless the plan is to flatten the place completely, I would advise against it.

And that's a big problem. When you take over a place, you often take over their problems. When the Romans took over the Palistine region, they inherited the "jewish" issue, when they took over Gaul they inherited the issue of warring factions amongst the tribes, etc.

The expense of blood and treasure for the pacification of a territory may not be worth the benefit derived from said territory.

originally posted by: Eunuchorn

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Kryties

What is China going to do all the way on the other side of the world?

Exactly what I was trying to infer, Krazy. What country outside of north America is going to expend what's necessary to rescue Mexico. It would have to be a totally United global event against USA "tyranny".

Frankly, I'm surprised the banking cartels haven't come up with this already.

It's humorous that the troll led us to this train of thought.

He's so busy raging as if this is actually happening, he can't even understand that this thread is purely objective & would prob end in more America bashing than anything.

Dude sucks at his own game.

Like world wars, you've come into the whole colonial model way too late, don't you know that's so 19th - mid 20th century? It would though mean all the moral highground sermonising about how wicked the European countries were - when this was actually a standard operating model - can be laid to rest.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Eunuchorn

No... No... And HELL no!

The only place that I can think of, which would be a more inadvisable target for an invasion, would be the US itself. The place, Mexico, is crawling with heavy handed cartels, military grade butchers with heavy weapons, fuelled by illegal combat drug concoctions, and an upbringing full of violence informing their psychoses.

Unless the plan is to flatten the place completely, I would advise against it.

Well in line with my OP, I think there would have to be heavy military infiltration in cartel zones & lots of tactical air strikes on their main transit routes. This would slowly lead to the obvious result of ousting all the mexican officials who would pose a barrier (corrupt or not) & then setting up base camp would be business as usual (assuming usual means ~10 year occupation, LoL)

To get away from the cartels and the violence. America just happens to have a border with Mexico so that's where they go - if China, or India or another country shared a border (and didn't have the same violence) then that's where the Mexicans would head. It has nothing to do with them "wanting" to be Americans.

Are you trying to oppose my point or help it?

If they were made a US territory or part of the US then the cartels would be up against US firepower. Hence they wouldn't have to run anymore! It's a win win win for everyone.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: Eunuchorn

Many of the non USA born Mexicans I know would happily go back to Mexico if they could earn the same wage as they do here. So if we were to make them a US territory and prop up their economy I don't see this being a particularly huge issue with the Mexicans I know at least.

Also if they didn't want to be Americans they why do they trample over each other to get across the border?

I'm all for it as long as the cartels get screwed and the rest pay their taxes.

An unforeseen outcome could be a lot of "emigration" back to "Mexico" assuming it doesn't take forever & a day to normalize the existing social structures in line with US protocol & policy.