Would Invading Mexico Solve All USAs Immigration Problems?

originally posted by: Eunuchorn

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: Eunuchorn

Many of the non USA born Mexicans I know would happily go back to Mexico if they could earn the same wage as they do here. So if we were to make them a US territory and prop up their economy I don't see this being a particularly huge issue with the Mexicans I know at least.

Also if they didn't want to be Americans they why do they trample over each other to get across the border?

I'm all for it as long as the cartels get screwed and the rest pay their taxes.

An unforeseen outcome could be a lot of "emigration" back to "Mexico" assuming it doesn't take forever & a day to normalize the existing social structures in line with US protocol & policy.

It would help with the water situation in So Cal and the unemployment situation nation wide if that were the case. Maybe unforeseen, but not necessarily negative..

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Are you trying to oppose my point or help it?

If they were made a US territory or part of the US then the cartels would be up against US firepower. Hence they wouldn't have to run anymore! It's a win win win for everyone.

I was making the point that Mexicans aren't coming to America purely because they want to be "American". They would flee to any safe harbour, America just happens to be one of those and the closest and easiest to get to.

I'm still not seeing it as a valid reason to invade them though, even hypothesizing about it is wrong.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No country has a military that can stop ours

One word.

Vietnam.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

This idea just keeps looking better and better... so to sum it up:

No More Illegal Immigration Problem

No More Drug Cartel Problem

Illegals already Present in America eventually start heading BACK to the now developing Mexico

They are labeled as "Subjects" temporarily until a time they can be up to US Standards and be afforded Welfare and the many other benefits of citizenship.

And no one will stop us, Canada might help,

This is a great plan, I'm putting forward NAVYDOC as the General, he seems to know what he's talking about

a reply to: Kryties

If you think the US will fail, while the rest of the world skips merrily on, you haven't been paying attention. We are a global economy and if a major country goes down, the rest soon follow.
You really think we're just going to sit and twiddle our thumbs while they lob nukes at us? By the time we retaliate, there won't be 2 billion people. And after a few more countries take pot shots at their enemies during the confusion, there won't be a livable planet.
Your hatred of America is making you blind.

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

They are labeled as "Subjects" temporarily until a time they can be up to US Standards and be afforded Welfare and the many other benefits of citizenship.

That sounds like something out of "1984".

Almost as good as calling foreigners 'aliens'.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
Are you trying to oppose my point or help it?

If they were made a US territory or part of the US then the cartels would be up against US firepower. Hence they wouldn't have to run anymore! It's a win win win for everyone.

I was making the point that Mexicans aren't coming to America purely because they want to be "American". They would flee to any safe harbour, America just happens to be one of those and the closest and easiest to get to.

Well considering I live pretty damn close to the border and have lived here all my life, I can assure you it has a lot more to do with money than anything else.

a reply to: Eunuchorn
Seems like the opposite sort of thing is happening.
Local news reported this morning that a local employer is laying off 250 workers here. Surgical Supplies, a company from BC, is moving the local operation to Tijuana, Mexico.
Link to Reading Eagle Article

originally posted by: DAVID64

Your hatred of America is making you blind.

I don't hate America, I do hate what it has become though - and the blind way the American people let it happen all in the name of "The Great, Infallible and Almighty America".

Please stop using nonsense terms such as "hatred" to further your argument, it shows a lack of understanding and really only serves to prove my point.

a reply to: Kryties

I'm still not seeing it as a valid reason to invade them though, even hypothesizing about it is wrong.

Not sure about you, but here in the USA we can hypothesize about anything we want. I would also like to extend that right to the current citizens of Mexico as well... just sayin

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: NavyDoc
It seems to me that suddenly adding a hundred million or so to our welfare roles would be disastrous. The vast majority of Mexico's population live well below what the US considers poverty. We make them citizens, we become responsible for them.

If we are going to have a mental exercise on this, it would serve us better to take over and make them a "protectorate" like we did with the Philippines.

Purely for the mental exercise/discussion. I'm opposed to an Imperialistic US. OTOH, if we are going to be an empire, we might as well do it right.

Do we have to label them as citizens right away? Couldn't we theoretically created a temporary second tier citizen with some but not all rights for a "buffer time"?

If we did that and made them ineligible for welfare, at least not right awAy, would that solve the problem?

I guess if you convince the people of the US to allow such an invasion, you could also convince them to allow this process, sort of like the way the Romans treated the annexed provinces--they were subjects of Rome, but not Citizens, and could earn citizenship over time through service.

I think that modeling the Roman empire would be the course of action in this hypothetical exercise.

Well, we've been modeling Rome for almost 300 years, why stop now?

I think it would be really hard to sell/propagandize the "citizen but not a citizen approach", far too similar to the days of indentured/forced servitude (& ironically, probably not so different from modern Immigration practices).
I'm not familiar with the rules behind a protectorate, but another thought I had was to impose some form of socialism on the new "US territory of Mexico" & they would be exempt from welfare under certain rules to work as an employee of the state (or even federal) & the country no longer becomes an exporter/importer, just one more notch in the US supply chain.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Kryties

That's cool. China still has to cross the ocean to get to us. Too bad they don't have a Navy that can compete with ours or one that can utilize their superior numbers.

They don't need a navy to lob several hundred nukes at you then follow up with an invasion of 2 billion people.

If China lobbed nukes at us, we'd lob them back, and those 2 billion people still need to cross the ocean. China doesn't have a Navy that can do that all at once.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

Not sure about you, but here in the USA we can hypothesize about anything we want. I would also like to extent that right to the current citizens of Mexico as well... just sayin

Oh for crying out loud, you're not going to throw the whole "America is the only free country on Earth" crap around are you?

What a load of nonsense.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

Not sure about you, but here in the USA we can hypothesize about anything we want. I would also like to extent that right to the current citizens of Mexico as well... just sayin

Oh for crying out loud, you're not going to throw the whole "America is the only free country on Earth" crap around are you?

What a load of nonsense.

Uhhh no?? You stated that we shouldn't hypothesize, and I stated I am free to do so.

a reply to: Kryties

But America has always been this way. We've been a warmongering country since we kicked Britain out. “We’re at War!” — And We Have Been Since 1776: 214 Years of American War-Making

a reply to: Kryties

I don't hate America, I do hate what it has become though - and the blind way the American people let it happen all in the name of "The Great, Infallible and Almighty America".

So.....You do hate America. Seems my understanding is just fine.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

Uhhh no?? You stated that we shouldn't hypothesize, and I stated I am free to do so. WTF?

You may be free to do so, but it still doesn't make it right.

a reply to: Kryties

No one has come to America because they wanted to be an American for almost 80 years.

originally posted by: DAVID64

So.....You do hate America. Seems my understanding is just fine.

Errr no. Twisting my words in your own head to suit your thoughts doesn't make those thoughts right - it makes the person doing it deluded.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

Uhhh no?? You stated that we shouldn't hypothesize, and I stated I am free to do so. WTF?

You may be free to do so, but it still doesn't make it right.

No it is right. It is literally A RIGHT. A right protected by our constitution.

You seem confused.