Would Invading Mexico Solve All USAs Immigration Problems?

Why stop at Mexico?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

The true solution to the illegal immigration problem is to end the war on drugs. The war on drugs creates the violence that the Mexicans are fleeing to our country. Then, once drugs are legalized, we need to work with the Mexican government to try to root out the corruption within it. If we can help build Mexico up as a country that can stand on its own. Only THEN will the immigration problem stop.

That has to be the most sensible thing said in this thread.

Well done.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Eunuchorn

originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: Eunuchorn

Many of the non USA born Mexicans I know would happily go back to Mexico if they could earn the same wage as they do here. So if we were to make them a US territory and prop up their economy I don't see this being a particularly huge issue with the Mexicans I know at least.

Also if they didn't want to be Americans they why do they trample over each other to get across the border?

I'm all for it as long as the cartels get screwed and the rest pay their taxes.

An unforeseen outcome could be a lot of "emigration" back to "Mexico" assuming it doesn't take forever & a day to normalize the existing social structures in line with US protocol & policy.

It might, but Mexico would have to be built up to a point where people desire to emigrate back and this means a lot of things--security, infrastructure, jobs, etc. The cost of rebuilding the place to that point may outweigh the savings.

Mexico is incredibly rich in mineral resources.

Here in the US the feds have red tape all over the mining industry. Look up MSHA

However if they were made a territory we could still collect taxes, but the US federal government wouldn't necessarily have a ton of control over industrial issues. EPA, OSHA, MSHA, etc.

It may actually not be all that expensive to build up their infrastructure when it's all said and done. Especially given their mineral resources.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Why stop at Mexico?

Good point. Eunichorn also brought up Canada in the OP..

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


The true solution to the illegal immigration problem is to end the war on drugs. The war on drugs creates the violence that the Mexicans are fleeing to our country. Then, once drugs are legalized, we need to work with the Mexican government to try to root out the corruption within it. If we can help build Mexico up as a country that can stand on its own. Only THEN will the immigration problem stop.

I would agree with this, except what will the cartels do next? Unless you are saying we help the cartels become legal businesses, in which they can keep all their profits intact.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: sdcigarpig


Would adding in millions more people to the system help, no, it would cause the country to have more problems than it already has going right now.

What if, as someone suggested, we do it slowly? Start with the border territories first, then move down. It could take many years, but if we integrated slowly, it might not be as catastrophic as you think.

That is a fair question, marginally increasing the strain by adding a few at a time. Here's the thing with such a strategy. We'd have to annex a bit at a time, take a small hit to our economy, wait for the economy to recover then annex more. This could work theoretically, except for one problem. It would take decades to implement. America doesn't think long term. It only thinks as far as the next election. Such a plan would be dismantled or halted mid-implementation. The economy would become a roller coaster and I can see that being VERY unpopular with natural born citizens, so the longer it goes on the harder it will become for politicians to justify continuing with the plan.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


The true solution to the illegal immigration problem is to end the war on drugs. The war on drugs creates the violence that the Mexicans are fleeing to our country. Then, once drugs are legalized, we need to work with the Mexican government to try to root out the corruption within it. If we can help build Mexico up as a country that can stand on its own. Only THEN will the immigration problem stop.

I would agree with this, except what will the cartels do next? Unless you are saying we help the cartels become legal businesses, in which they can keep all their profits intact.

I'd say that they'd move on to whatever other racket they can to make money. I'm not about legalizing the cartels, but we can squeeze them out of business by legalizing all their big money makers (basically any victimless crime). We may not be able to stamp them out completely with this tactic, but their income would be drastically reduced and they wouldn't wield NEARLY as much influence as they do now.

a reply to: Kryties

I'm a firm believer that violence isn't always the answer. In fact, I believe that violence should rarely EVER be the answer.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: sdcigarpig


Would adding in millions more people to the system help, no, it would cause the country to have more problems than it already has going right now.

What if, as someone suggested, we do it slowly? Start with the border territories first, then move down. It could take many years, but if we integrated slowly, it might not be as catastrophic as you think.

That is a fair question, marginally increasing the strain by adding a few at a time. Here's the thing with such a strategy. We'd have to annex a bit at a time, take a small hit to our economy, wait for the economy to recover then annex more. This could work theoretically, except for one problem. It would take decades to implement. America doesn't think long term. It only thinks as far as the next election. Such a plan would be dismantled or halted mid-implementation. The economy would become a roller coaster and I can see that being VERY unpopular with natural born citizens, so the longer it goes on the harder it will become for politicians to justify continuing with the plan.

The Mexican police + Mexican military + Mexican Cartels aren't even a match for a fraction of our military.

Put it to a vote, if the vote is good then tell all the leaders to step down or be treated as tyrants.

Occupy Mexico to keep the peace and handle the cartels.

Hold elections for new leaders.

This doesn't need to be done slowly. The US is big enough to handle it in 1 go.

Invading Mexico would be plain rude. I have an idea, let's don't.

We would solve much of the problem if Americans would stop buying their stupid drugs. I wish everyone who kicked back with one of their little pipes in the evening was forced to see all the heartache/misery/death created there, here, and everywhere in between, so some thug could make a buck off of it.

STOP BUYING IT.

a reply to: doompornjunkie

See this post where I addressed the all at once strategy earlier.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

That's a ridiculous argument. You aren't going to change human behavior with feel good rhetoric. The simple thing is, humans seek out drugs for relaxation and fun, demonizing such hobbies is stupid and unproductive. Because of the drug war, we have the number 1 incarceration rate in the world (well above even China) yet continue to shout that we are the land of the free. That is the biggest hypocrisy that our country pushes.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: doompornjunkie

See this post where I addressed the all at once strategy earlier.

Saw it. Huge flaw though. The Mexican government is in bed with the cartels. They are corrupt as hell.

The only way to do it would be to take it all at one time. Don't give them too much time to think, relocate, or regroup.

Little by little is why we can't win wars anymore.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

We've been a warmongering country since we kicked Britain out

Who is " We " ?
Do you mean the Colonists, and The French, Dutch and Spanish ?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But then wouldn't there still be lots of problems there? I mean if the cartels just move to another shady business, they remain a major threat to the locals. I doubt the cartels would just slink away to regular jobs.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

We would solve much of the problem if Americans would stop buying their stupid drugs. I wish everyone who kicked back with one of their little pipes in the evening was forced to see all the heartache/misery/death created there, here, and everywhere in between, so some thug could make a buck off of it.

STOP BUYING IT.

An easier, less expensive and proven -to-work solution is to end the War on Drugs, legalise it all then set up health facilities to treat addicts. This will garrote the cartels and stop the violence all in one move. The Mexicans will not have any reason to cross your borders then - and the warmongering attitudes will be left stunned at how well a non-violent solution works.

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: doompornjunkie

See this post where I addressed the all at once strategy earlier.

Saw it. Huge flaw though. The Mexican government is in bed with the cartels. They are corrupt as hell.

The only way to do it would be to take it all at one time. Don't give them too much time to think, relocate, or regroup.

Little by little is why we can't win wars anymore.

If you cripple the cartels' income source then it becomes harder for them to have Mexican politicians in their pocket. Not to mention, there are many peaceful ways we can go about rooting out corruption in the Mexican government.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting

Invading Mexico would be plain rude. I have an idea, let's don't.

We would solve much of the problem if Americans would stop buying their stupid drugs. I wish everyone who kicked back with one of their little pipes in the evening was forced to see all the heartache/misery/death created there, here, and everywhere in between, so some thug could make a buck off of it.

STOP BUYING IT.

Great idea theoretically - not EVER gonna happen realistically. That's like saying everyone should just stop buying cigarettes. It just isn't going to happen.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Krazysh0t

We've been a warmongering country since we kicked Britain out

Who is " We " ?
Do you mean the Colonists, and The French, Dutch and Spanish ?

"We" is America and its citizens. America has only had 21 years of true peace since 1776. And don't pretend it is just the government or military acting outside the people's interests. The indian wars and Manifest Destiny were EXACTLY what the people wanted.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: doompornjunkie

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: doompornjunkie

See this post where I addressed the all at once strategy earlier.

Saw it. Huge flaw though. The Mexican government is in bed with the cartels. They are corrupt as hell.

The only way to do it would be to take it all at one time. Don't give them too much time to think, relocate, or regroup.

Little by little is why we can't win wars anymore.

If you cripple the cartels' income source then it becomes harder for them to have Mexican politicians in their pocket. Not to mention, there are many peaceful ways we can go about rooting out corruption in the Mexican government.

If you only take a piece of Mexico, then a loyal Mexican army still exists in the other part.

Now you are looking at a drug out 50 years long firefight.

Cut the head off of the snake to begin with and the Mexican military won't have leadership. Go big and make it quick, or go small and drag it out for decades.

ETA: I could see your point if we had a small military, but given our size I don't see a benefit in going slowly. We would never become overextended.