If you want to discuss how real chemtrails are, do your part.

a reply to: firefirefly31

Here's my basic thought process for deducing that they are caused by chemtrails. First, I see chemtrails. Second, I see a 'white' thing growing from a tree. Third, I say to myself, 'white chemtrail, -- 'white tree growth.' Then, BOOM, I proved to myself something.

Et tu, Tullio? 'Dr.' Simoncini I presume?

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

I am learning how to have fake plastic surgery due to my boob implants I gave myself, not to make myself look sexier, but to make myself look like I'm am ancient god. Unfortunately they just look sexy.

"Weather modification is the effort of man to change naturally occurring weather, for the benefit of someone."



"Air Force officials associated with the Air force's weather modification program estimated that exclusive of costs for personnel and capital investment, the hourly cost for seeding with ground-based generators was about $50 and aerial seeding was about $647.50."


Barium release parameters by rockets over Tonopah NTS shown in chart above.



Schematic drawing …of a barium cloud.








Description of the development of striated barium ion clouds

Rod-like structures? Skyfishy calling…these ain't no moths.
Attention: Jose Escamilla!


"…by releasing canisters containing 1 to 3 kg of a Ba-CuO (Barium and Copper Oxide Nanoparticles) mixture at altitudes above 200 km…"


"A description of striation formation in a small (2.4 kg) [barium] cloud released at 194 km over Elgin Air Force Base, Florida…

At about 500 sec [8.3 hours] after release the ion cloud developed three sheet-like striations which became approximately 10 km [6.2 miles] long, 30 km [18.6 miles] high and 0.6 [.37 miles] in thickness by 930 sec [15.5hours] after release."

SECEDE Program


Photo taken by author, in Northeast Georgia, Lake Seed, the next lake above Rabun and below Lake Burton, NOT under any commercial airways, as the traffic from Atlanta generally goes in a corridor south and north of my position, as evidenced by the member-supplied (thank you) air-traffic screenshot below.

Images of striated barium clouds

a reply to: thorfourwinds

Cloud seeding and ionospheric tests.

What exactly does that have to do with trails left by jets?
So you believe those trails in your photo are of barium 200kms above you? Another 150km and you've got the ISS!

Seriously, you're doing what every other chemtrail believer does, present poorly researched 'evidence' and when that gets debunked, present something else completely differently.

Maxwell Smart syndrome.

"Would you believe..."
Rince and repeat

a reply to: firefirefly31

There are several ways to study how wholeness functions. My favorite way is to study multiple subjects and begin finding connections in between them.

Here's my basic thought process for deducing that they are caused by chemtrails. First, I see chemtrails. Second, I see a 'white' thing growing from a tree. Third, I say to myself, 'white chemtrail, -- 'white tree growth.' Then, BOOM, I proved to myself something.

So, in the same way, is blood caused by tomatoes?

originally posted by: thorfourwinds





Photo taken by author, in Northeast Georgia, Lake Seed, the next lake above Rabun and below Lake Burton, NOT under any commercial airways, as the traffic from Atlanta generally goes in a corridor south and north of my position, as evidenced by the member-supplied (thank you) air-traffic screenshot below.

Does the author have any photos of trails left above the author's position rather than tens of miles in the distance?

originally posted by: thorfourwinds
a reply to: waynos
So you are saying that 100% of the information portrayed in this film is bogus?

I can't say because, as I wrote, when I saw the name Tankerenemy, I randomly skipped into the film to see what came up and the first thing that started playing was a known hoax so I didn't watch any more.

I can say, however, that I've watched several different Tankerenemy videos in the past and haven't seen one truthful of credible claim ever come from him.

You asked me if I was saying 100% of the info was bogus. What is an acceptable percentage of truth? 50%?, 25%? 1%? When I know a "source" has blatantly and obviously lied repeatedly about a topic, then I dismiss that source as worthless. Tankerenemy is worthless.

Is there a claim by him that you think is truthful? The KC-10?, the unmarked Italian 767? That all WW2 photos showing contrails are fakes? Maybe the fake holographic planes that aren't really there? Something else? Amaze me.

a reply to: thorfourwinds

Sadly, you seem to be another chemtrail believer who, when asked to show evidence why you believe in chemtrails, starts posting about other things entirely. I'm sure it makes sense to you, somehow, but to those of us who are asking the question it reads like "I can prove to you that aluminium and barium CHEMTRAILS exist because there are these other, different activities that don't look or act in any way like those trails in the sky and these use those materials".

Maybe you could explain why you think cloud seeding and a rocket releasing barium in space have a link to the contrail photograph you posted in the same post? Because I'm seeing a relationship that's like saying that Blue Whales are made by Ford because I have a Ford Focus which is blue.

originally posted by: thorfourwinds
I did not really want to be dragged into the whole 'chemtrail' debate/fiasco, but the personal attacks along with this carp has gone too far, so, game on!

Where did this happen? I have seen everyone here being very pleasant with you. If you feel anyone has been rude and made "personal attacks" please point them out!!

a reply to: thorfourwinds

First off, chemtrails as discussed here, are those white puffy lines that appear in the sky after a plane flies by. We believe they are contrails and will continue to believe that way until someone can show good reason to think otherwise. (there is a good amount of science in place to explain why those white lines are contrails.)

You have brought barium releases from rockets and cloud seeding programs. Well, congrats. A barium release from a rocket is a chemtrail. There was a NASA project not long ago where they released Lithium from a rocket too. And that was a chemtrail. So yes, I am fully with you on those being chemtrails. But, now that you have a good understanding of chemtrails, will you assist us in educating the silly folks who refuse to comprehend basic science? We are just trying to get people to stop looking like idiots and pointing to a picture of a cloud and claiming it's something else. (contrails are man made clouds)

So in conclusion, I thank you for clarifying your understanding of chemtrails and applaud you for not falling for the idiocy of thinking contrails are anything other than contrails.

a reply to: thorfourwinds

One Question that you conveniently sidestepped:
Are you saying that 100% of what is in that film is without a doubt, a lie?

So what part of the two posts I have made you think I believed anything in the Tankerenemy video?

For you the answer is Yes 100% a lie. That is what Mr. Marciano..AKA Tankerenemy does...lie.

I did not really want to be dragged into the whole 'chemtrail' debate/fiasco, but the personal attacks along with this carp has gone too far, so, game on!

Well, you better bring in the big guns for this game, because what your using as a player just put you down 2 strikes with two out in the ninth and we have Randy Johnson on the mound. Still want to play?

Very funny … Mick West's site.

Hear that a lot, but not one of those saying that are able to refute anything on it...care to play that same game and prove it's wrong?

a reply to: network dude

You have brought barium releases from rockets and cloud seeding programs. Well, congrats. A barium release from a rocket is a chemtrail.

At the edge of space, so I wonder how much actually made it to he ground, or even far enough down to be any cause of alarm?

My guess is with the winds it was subjected to during that time we have nothing to worry about, unless Tankerenemy or any other chemtrail pusher says different because we all know how much time they have spent in the air testing chemtrails.

And remember it's game on.

a reply to: mrthumpy

LOL, no, but I sure can see why you might think that.

a reply to: thorfourwinds

SECEDE Program

You really don't understand what your posting do you?

The general goals of the Secede barium release program have been
geared to the development of a practical technique by which plasma
interaction with the ionosphere could be experimentally studied and [ -
(j suitable theories of such interactions developed therefrom. The Secede
experimental program has, for the most part, consisted of two coordinI"
ated aspects, that of radio frequency radar measurements and that of
optical measurements.

Welcome to the beginning of the HAARP program. Nothing to do with nefarious chemtrails.

Funny thing is chemtrails weren't reported until the 90's by a one Will Thomas who made the word up to help scare people into buying into his nonsense.

Planes fly at lower altitude than 200 km so your idea of what chemtrails are vary drastically from what the real pushers are saying, which is a problem when anything in the air gets called a chemtrail.

Here is a good little site you really should read as it may help you understand...

jazzroc.wordpress.com...

Also here is an earlier study...

Coupled Barium Cloud-Ionosphere Systems
4. Striation Penetration into an Inhomogeneous Ionosphere

www.dtic.mil...

Although you will just misunderstand this one as well...enjoy.

originally posted by: thorfourwinds

Photo taken by author, in Northeast Georgia, Lake Seed, the next lake above Rabun and below Lake Burton, NOT under any commercial airways, as the traffic from Atlanta generally goes in a corridor south and north of my position, as evidenced by the member-supplied (thank you) air-traffic screenshot below.

That screen shot of the planes in the sky is a snapshot of one moment in a day. And in that one moment in time, there are several planes that flew directly over your circle. (you can use a ruler to make a straight line and test that) So I think you have conclusively proved yourself incorrect. And if you care to have your mind blown, you can look a bit further into that and see the planes that fly over your lake over the course of an ENTIRE day.

a reply to: Astyanax
That's a great point. I'd love to answer it but I don't think the context of this thread allows for me to discuss the topic very much. Substance from the chemtrails come down and appears to enter our nostrils. When we breathe in supposedly the air goes down into our lungs. So if chemtrails stick in the skies, then maybe they stick in our nasal passages and we end up becomming giant tomatoes?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: network dude

You have brought barium releases from rockets and cloud seeding programs. Well, congrats. A barium release from a rocket is a chemtrail.

At the edge of space, so I wonder how much actually made it to he ground, or even far enough down to be any cause of alarm?

My guess is with the winds it was subjected to during that time we have nothing to worry about, unless Tankerenemy or any other chemtrail pusher says different because we all know how much time they have spent in the air testing chemtrails.

And remember it's game on.

Its Homeopathic Poison. The less they spray the more dangerous it is.

In the real world it is like dumping a glass of water in the ocean.

a reply to: thorfourwinds

Below is a link to Poker Flats, one of the launch sites for sounding rockets. Not very secretive.

Poker Flats

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: thorfourwinds

SECEDE Program

You really don't understand what your posting do you?

The general goals of the Secede barium release program have been
geared to the development of a practical technique by which plasma
interaction with the ionosphere could be experimentally studied and [ -
(j suitable theories of such interactions developed therefrom. The Secede
experimental program has, for the most part, consisted of two coordinI"
ated aspects, that of radio frequency radar measurements and that of
optical measurements.

Welcome to the beginning of the HAARP program. Nothing to do with nefarious chemtrails.

Funny thing is chemtrails weren't reported until the 90's by a one Will Thomas who made the word up to help scare people into buying into his nonsense.

Planes fly at lower altitude than 200 km so your idea of what chemtrails are vary drastically from what the real pushers are saying, which is a problem when anything in the air gets called a chemtrail.

Here is a good little site you really should read as it may help you understand...

jazzroc.wordpress.com...

Also here is an earlier study...

Coupled Barium Cloud-Ionosphere Systems
4. Striation Penetration into an Inhomogeneous Ionosphere

www.dtic.mil...

Although you will just misunderstand this one as well...enjoy.

In regards to HAARP, I don't believe that it was intended to have anything to do with chemtrails. HAARP is an Ionospheric heater. HAARP was comissioned in 1993, other Ionospheric heaters date back to the early 1980's. The Sura Ionospheric heater is a Soviet comissioned one and was established in 1983. I think that the chemtrails began appearing in the mid or late 80's, and the Soviet ionospheric heater existed before that. A relationship between these Ionospheric heaters and chemtrails is probably not anything but coincidence. However, if someone can prove that chemtrails and ionospheric heaters are somehow related then it might prove something like priority existing between the two.