If you want to discuss how real chemtrails are, do your part.

originally posted by: firefirefly31
a reply to: network dude
Here's a couple of my observations

Thanks for the post. I'd like to discuss these just a bit if that's OK.

Plant and animal oddities
Ever notice plants that have oddly formed leaves, branches, and roots? my gathered observations show that plants will grow kind of 'embryonicly' with their root structures. Dig up a plant and inspect the roots. Try using something like a large plant such as a tree. You'll notice that the roots tend to have roots that sprout asymeterically off the main roots. My example is a fig tree we have that my dad planted back in the day. I dug up the roots and noticed several of these asymeterical roots that just shoot off the main root. They don't grow fat at all, just straight. When I inspected these roots they all had a white aura to them, as if the whole root was misdeveloped, hence I stated that they were 'embryonic.' I noticed the same exact growth in other trees' leaves and branches. Some of these branches seemed misdeveloped and asymetrical. I can tell them apart from the rest of the tree because most of the tree's branches will have notable substance to it, but there are these growths that lack the overall substance a tree should have. Again, there was a 'white' aura to these growths. I am calling these growth's 'embryonic' because it is the best way I can classify them as something scientificly oriented.

While this may indeed be an issue, have you investigated other plants and trees in and around your state? have you investigated any other aspects of plant growth that may be a factor? Is there any other source for whatever you think may be damaging your root system? I ask this since it would seem like quite a leap to just assume chemtrails were to blame for this when in reality, there are many,. many factors that could be causing issues with plant and tree growth. Or it could be chemtrails

Mental and physical illnesses
It seems that some people are more allergic to chemtrails than others. Nonetheless, anybody can go buy a bottle of saline nasal spray and use it in their nostrils and notice that there is a notable difference after using the nasal spray. I attribute this to the pathogens which, I believe, are being released in chemtrails. Unless there is a common widespread pathogen which we are all alleric to, I don't see other reason than to blame chemtrails for the most eleviating feeling the nasal spray produces. Also, if you believe in the evidence that Barium and Aluminum (along with other elements) are being released into the atmosphere via chemtrails, then there will be some mental and physical illnesses that prove this is true, however, it may not be easy to prove because testing for these elements requires scientific tools and knowledge how to understand the results of the tests.

This one is kind of easy to deal with from my end. If something was sprayed to "make people sick", then everyone in the area will have these symptoms. A quick check with the local hospitals should either prove or disprove this theory within minutes. Or it could be chemtrails.

Physical observations of spraying
Noticing planes releasing clouds of trails is the most basic proof that something is going on up there. When I was younger, I noticed these trails almost all the time. For some reason, now, I hardly notice them except on a few days when there is blatant spraying occuring. It seems to me that the spraying has died down some since I was younger, or, I suddenly lost the faculty to perceive these spray operations. I know that the still occur though. My personal opinion is that the spraying is occuring offshore or in remote areas. The city where I live used to always have a 'soup bowl' mixture of pollution in the sky. We use to rarely ever see a blue sky here. Now though, blue skies are common and the 'soup bowl' is not hardly ever there. Maybe a possibility is that my city suddenly became an oddity for whatever reason.

Or, those white lines in the sky left behind planes could be contrails as have been seen and explained for quite some time now. Looking at the sky and claiming anything is a bit silly. All we can say is what something looks like. Knowing takes some scientific testing.

Orgone generators
In areas where orgone generators are present you'll notice that there are hardly any chemtrails to be observered. I've proved this to myself time and time again when I planted orgone generators in various parts of the country where Iived and noticed an improvement in the skies shortly after. It's really not that hard to prove that they work, even when most of mechanical physics will deny the possibilities of it working. That is, just by placing these small, seemingly insignificant devices consisting of quartz, copper, and aluminum in the area where chemtrails occur, the effects of these devices can be seen all the way up into the sky. They don't just work in an area of like 20 - 50 ft, but appear to effect the areas where the pollution is coming from. I think this area of the sky is the Stratosphere, but I'm not too certain.

This is a very interesting subject. Science claims this is BS, yet multiple folks claim it works for them. (so did the vinegar dude) What is the area of visible sky for you? I don't know, but I would think it's quite a few hundred square miles at least. So if you placed an oregone generator every few hundred miles, you could eliminate chemtrails over the entire globe shortly. Why not try a veifiable test? Place a cheap video recorder (DVR) with a few sky cameras out next to your generator and film the sky 24-7 for a few weeks. If your theory is right, you should not see any (persistent contrails) at all in your area. While others may have to suffer, you sure won't. But....if "they" are still spraying, but you can hamper their activities with your cool tool, isn't what they are spraying still there?

Those are my main points for those who are interested. I appriciate your topics on this matter, Network Dude. It seems you have at least (re)sparked my interest in something I have wearily forgotten about.

Thanks for taking the time to post.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: thorfourwinds

Are you and your cohorts denying that


...the top secret U.S. Navy RFMP/VTRPE aerosol program, spraying a mixture of barium into our atmosphere from aircraft...


exists and does not qualify to prove our statement about aerial spraying of barium into the atmosphere?

Thank you for your time and consideration, as we are here to learn.

Speaking of learning, it is quite interesting that none of y'all dared to comment on the pics I posted of our fireboat and the 'trails in the sky above Northeast Georgia.

So you tried to spray so called chemtrails at 35000 ft with pumps that blow a couple of hundred feet....Here's your sign.

Or were you just playing it up for the photos?

I see trails like that in the sky on many mornings, and yet not sick yet...I must be ammune to the nefarious cocktail they are spraying.

Greetings:

Having lived here in these mountains of rural northeastern Georgia for over 20 years, I am quite familiar with both commercial and civilian air traffic in the area.

Only when there is an organized effort at 'gridding' the skies is there ever that much traffic, and this happens only every so often - we are not in commercial air traffic lanes, PERIOD.

Unless anyone can show that those lines in the sky that I posted can be attributed to 'regular commercial air traffic', there seems to exist a problem.

Thank you.

originally posted by: waynos
a reply to: thorfourwinds

Link works fine for me. It's a document detailing VTRPE several pages in length with no mention of barium or spraying at all. Have you a source for this claim?

Greetings:

Thank you for your diligent research.

Must have been one of those internet myths.

So how's this thread working out for the CONtrail Cartel?

Hey, I jumped into the ring to learn from you pros…

There is no commercial air traffic outer northeastern Georgia…I live here and have the pics…

What do you think of this movie?

Chemtrails the secret war - YouTube

a reply to: thorfourwinds

Georgia you say?

As in Atlanta Georgia, the busiest airport in the world?

No air traffic over outer north eastern Georgia? Really?

I find that ridiculously hard to believe, and looking at this animation of flights JUST to and from Atlanta makes it even more so..



Can you help me understand why you believe there is no air traffic near you?

I mean I guess it's possible, but seems unlikely.

originally posted by: thorfourwinds

originally posted by: waynos
a reply to: thorfourwinds

Link works fine for me. It's a document detailing VTRPE several pages in length with no mention of barium or spraying at all. Have you a source for this claim?

Greetings:

Thank you for your diligent research.

Must have been one of those internet myths.

So how's this thread working out for the CONtrail Cartel?

Hey, I jumped into the ring to learn from you pros…

There is no commercial air traffic outer northeastern Georgia…I live here and have the pics…

Diligent? Just put the name of the program into Google and hey presto, there it is. Not exactly taxing.

Bit like finding out how much commercial air traffic there is in your area.

All these aircraft are at altitudes where they could be producing contrails

While this may indeed be an issue, have you investigated other plants and trees in and around your state? have you investigated any other aspects of plant growth that may be a factor? Is there any other source for whatever you think may be damaging your root system? I ask this since it would seem like quite a leap to just assume chemtrails were to blame for this when in reality, there are many,. many factors that could be causing issues with plant and tree growth. Or it could be chemtrails

First, I want to point out to you that I don't 'see' auras and am not a psychic, so don't misjudge my proposed evidence as psychicly-oriented. I study physical phenomenon with a perspective to 'wholeness.' By this I mean that I've been observing physical phenomenon my whole life and have a good understanding of the outline of nature. So, I pretty much know what a tree is supposed to look like on a level of wholeness, same with the rooting system. My observations of asymmetrical tree parts are apparent to me. Discovering how to explain them scientifically is my next step and my main theory with this particular phenomenon is chemtrail oriented. This is mainly because the malformed tree parts which I observe have a 'white' aura to them, and as I stated, they are malformed. The reason I attribute a 'white' aura to them is not because I actually see a white light being emitted from them. The 'white' aura observation is from a perspective in relation to wholeness and also a scientific perspective. When I dissected the fig tree roots they were all completely white and kind of 'flabbulated,' which basically means in my terminology there was no substance to it. Cancerous might be another way to describe white I observed, since all these roots appeared to do was grow rapdily. With relation to wholeness, the observed white aura is not unlike what I observe in chemtrails being sprayed. By this I mean to say that I look at the chemtrails and see the same things as I see in these plant growths. This may very well be a coincidence as you implied in your reply. But because I see the world in outlines, relatedness, and patterns, my perspective when I study the growths doesn't consider there to be a coincidence beceause there is ample visual evidence that there is a connection between the chemtrail spraying and the observed growth patterns. The 'ample' evidence is basically a 100% congruency in the visual field between chemtrails and plant growths. This isn't scientific evidence but my own belief system which cites the congruency.

a reply to: firefirefly31

I study physical phenomenon with a perspective to 'wholeness.'

This sounds very interesting. Could you tell us a bit more about it, and how it pertains to chemtrails?

a reply to: Astyanax
I'll do my best within the context of this original post. Wholeness is basically the world which abides by laws. These laws don't govern things but instead assimilate things. This means that there isn't an independent governing body for each tree which dictates how each tree is supposed to grow, but instead a network of loosely woven laws which exist to govern each trees behavior. The usage of the word 'behavior' applies itself beyond the mammalian definition of behavior which applies itself to actions. A tree's behavior doesn't apply itself to how it grows but instead the details of what it grows. Therefore a fig tree's behavior includes the leaves, branches. and the fruiting bodies it grows as a crabapple tree's behavior includes the fruiting bodies and leaves it also grows. A peach tree's behavior also includes its fruiting bodies in its behavior as well, but also it should be noted by observers of wholeness that the peach tree's behavior also includes how it grows and therefore can be classified by the mammalian definition of behavior. Once you begin to understand how wholeness functions, you can begin to start classifying things with a relation to wholeness so that you can understand the relationships which are occurring the extend beyond species' boundaries.

In the context of chemtrails, the laws which govern trees can be understood by assimiliation. In my stated example from my previous post, there exists apparent anomolies in the form of asymmetrical growths that are occurring throughout species of trees. I cite these growths as being part of the assimilation process that is set up within wholeness. So there is basically a disturbance, or in a less negatively oriented term, an introduction of something, which is applying itself to trees' behaviors by the assimilation process. My physical observations of nature have proved that these anomolies exist in multiple tree species. In some species these growths occur in the rooting system, in other species these growths occuring in the developement of tree branches. So what is apparent to me is that there is a law which is assimilating something new into trees behaviors.

I think that should sum my reply up pretty well. If you have any more questions about what I am talking about, feel free to ask.

a reply to: thorfourwinds

What do you think of this movie?

I don't as soon as Tankerenemy name appears. Well known hoaxer here at ATS...sorry.

a reply to: thorfourwinds

Hey, I jumped into the ring to learn from you pros…

Well I hope the video isn't what your bringing to the discussion as evidence, because you have been taken by the person who made the video.

You may also want to read this...

***ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS *** Regarding Those TankerEnemy Chemtrail Videos

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: firefirefly31

Wholeness is basically the world which abides by laws.

The whole world abides by the laws of nature. Is this what you mean by wholeness?

Once you begin to understand how wholeness functions...

I would like to understand how wholeness functions. How can I learn this?

Also, how do you know the anomalies you see are cause by chemtrails?

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: firefirefly31



Also, how do you know the anomalies you see are cause by chemtrails?

I'd like to know what makes them anomalies. Any chance of photos alongside normal specimens?

originally posted by: thorfourwinds

originally posted by: waynos
a reply to: thorfourwinds

Link works fine for me. It's a document detailing VTRPE several pages in length with no mention of barium or spraying at all. Have you a source for this claim?

Greetings:

Thank you for your diligent research.

Must have been one of those internet myths.

So how's this thread working out for the CONtrail Cartel?

Hey, I jumped into the ring to learn from you pros…

There is no commercial air traffic outer northeastern Georgia…I live here and have the pics…

What do you think of this movie?

Chemtrails the secret war - YouTube

You could have just replied with a 'no'. It was a simple question

Having a look at the video, though. Thanks.

ETA,changed my mind about the video when I started it. If you are serious about this topic why are you using videos made by an established and well known hoaxer? I skipped forward a bit and where it started playing was the famous KC-10 footage with the message "these are not normal contrails". Dear oh dear. Sadly, I don't think you even know what's wrong with this do you?

a reply to: waynos
So you are saying that 100% of the information portrayed in this film is bogus?

Greetings:

That's a big 10-4 on Tanker-Enemy, good buddy, and a big OOPS! on my part.

I picked up the story from my friend, Debra Dupre and never even thought about any mention of Tanker-Enemy and that it is another one of the many, many no-no's on ATS.

After viewing the film, it is no surprise that the chemtrail-denier crowd do not want it to be seen.

What is 'somewhat' of a surprise is that someone at ATS made such a blanket decision about TE, putting them in the same box with Sorcha Fall…


Review by Deborah Dupre

A new Italian film, Chemtrails: The secret war has been released showing a disturbing covert military agenda behind the sinister phenomenon, one that according to evidence presented includes far more than weather manipulation for “climate change.”

“Let’s stand up and defend our rights!” say Italian filmmakers Antonio and Rosario Marciano.

The Marcianos, of the Italian website Tanker Enemy (Tanker-Enemy.eu) have produced the documentary film, Chemtrails: the secret war to show scientific evidence related to the chemtrails phenomenon.

While much of the documentation has been presented in previous years by Professor Michel Chossudovsky, head of Global Research, no film captures the covert war against We the People as well as the Marcianos do.

“Weather manipulation is only one (collateral) aspect of this phenomenon,” say the Marcianos.

“What is at stake is a covert military agenda.”

This HD documentary film is the first Italian professional film on illegal geo-engineering aka chemtrails.

“It has been realized thanks to many friends and collaborators. For years this issue has been denied and mocked but the chemical spraying of our sky is still happening,” the couple say.


Mods, please pull just that vid if that's necessary, as I did not know about another ATS banned source.

My apologies.

Is there one place where one can view the various "no-no's" on ATS?

It seems to be a minefield these days...

a reply to: thorfourwinds

After viewing the film, it is no surprise that the chemtrail-denier crowd do not want it to be seen.

The reason we don't want it to be seen is because it is all BS as with all Tankerenemy videos, but I see you are falling right in for them.

Here is a little about what Mr. Rosario Marciano and what he does...

www.metabunk.org...

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: firefirefly31

Wholeness is basically the world which abides by laws.

The whole world abides by the laws of nature. Is this what you mean by wholeness?

No. I am talking about laws which assimilate things. These laws aren't apparent in most cases to observers. If you want to use an example of a law of nature, you can consider gravity. Is that what you mean by laws of nature? That's not what I am talking about though when I study wholeness. in fact, from an advanced study of wholeness, I consider wholeness to be completely negated by gravity. This explains why it isn't visible to anybody and therefore hasn't been explained by anybody yet. I believe that there are examples in nature of wholeness which is apparent in nature, and according to my studies, these examples are going to be anomolies as long as gravity exists.

I would like to understand how wholeness functions. How can I learn this?

There are several ways to study how wholeness functions. My favorite way is to study multiple subjects and begin finding connections in between them. This will start to open your mind to possibilities which exist beyond a confining definition of 'reality.' You can literally go crazy here doing this. You can study aircrafts and rainforests, as an example of what I am referring to about going crazy. Then I dare you to start finding connections between them. Even just one congruency is going to prove to you something.

Also, how do you know the anomalies you see are cause by chemtrails?

Here's my basic thought process for deducing that they are caused by chemtrails. First, I see chemtrails. Second, I see a 'white' thing growing from a tree. Third, I say to myself, 'white chemtrail, -- 'white tree growth.' Then, BOOM, I proved to myself something.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: thorfourwinds

After viewing the film, it is no surprise that the chemtrail-denier crowd do not want it to be seen.

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The reason we don't want it to be seen is because it is all BS as with all Tankerenemy videos, but I see you are falling right in for them.

Here is a little about what Mr. Rosario Marciano and what he does...

www.metabunk.org...

Greetings:

Very funny … Mick West's site.

One Question that you conveniently sidestepped:
Are you saying that 100% of what is in that film is without a doubt, a lie?

100% - YES or NO, please.

And I'm not falling in with anybody, but treading lightly where y'all set the trap for 'chemtrail believers' and willing to learn.

What may people don't understand is that this is geo-engineering on a planetary scale and the vested interests parallel the MIC behind the un-fulfilled promise of nuclear energy.

This monumental undertaking (Project Cloverleaf is a part of the operation) overshadows the scope, expense and secrecy of the Manhattan Project, yet the goals and eventual impacts of it are far greater, and the governments of today have vastly superior methods of dealing with 'secrecy' and utilizes plain old dis-info shills/trolls/internet cyber warriors from Hell …COINTELPRO comes to mind, but computerized and toss in social media.

I did not really want to be dragged into the whole 'chemtrail' debate/fiasco, but the personal attacks along with this carp has gone too far, so, game on!

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: firefirefly31



Also, how do you know the anomalies you see are cause by chemtrails?

I'd like to know what makes them anomalies. Any chance of photos alongside normal specimens?

I'll consider posting photos of what I am talking about. I just lack the camera at the moment... There might be a chance that the anomolies I am observing are isolated in my area. I'd like to post some photos of what I am observing and maybe someone in another area of the country or overseas can verify that they exist globally. Check back for photos then, because I am now dying to know if these things are a global phenomenon.

Greetings:

If you can show that those chemicals were sprayed... I'll jump on the chemtrail bandwagon.

That is what you said previously, before adding "white puffy lines in the sky."

We will address that issue separately.

What we said: "...if we can show you empirical proof that "Barium, aluminum, and strontium" have been "aerial sprayed, you might open your mind to other "proof" that nefarious chemicals have been, and are now, being added to the atmosphere by various means, including the 'modified' jet fuel in commercial aircraft? " is what was agreed to.

We'll start with an understanding of Barium and then tie aerial spraying to not only the military, but a host of other government agencies and their subordinate cohorts.

The amount of barium that is detected in food and water usually is not high enough to become a health concern.

People with the greatest risk to barium exposure with additional health effects are those that work in the barium industry. Most of the health risks that they can undergo are caused by breathing in air that contains barium sulphate or barium carbonate.

Many hazardous waste sites contain certain amounts of barium. People that live near them may be exposed to harmful levels. The exposure will than be caused by breathing dust, eating soil or plants, or drinking water that is polluted with barium. Skin contact may also occur.

The health effects of barium depend upon the water-solubility of the compounds.

Barium compounds that dissolve in water can be harmful to human health. The uptake of very large amounts of barium that are water-soluble may cause paralyses and in some cases even death.

Small amounts of water-soluble barium may cause a person to experience breathing difficulties, increased blood pressures, heart rhythm changes, stomach irritation, muscle weakness, changes in nerve reflexes, swelling of brains and liver, kidney and heart damage.
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