Scientists at Large Hadron Collider hope to make contact with PARALLEL UNIVERSE in days

originally posted by: roth1

originally posted by: Argyll
a reply to: roth1


.

Show me one galaxy or planet out there that is the same. Does any one have proof of such things. No but yet act like i am a fool for discrediting something with no proof. No one can provide proof but yet say i am wrong. How retarded, get a clue and stop sniffing glue.

I think there is plenty of evidence in the scientific community that there one day be facts of this matter. We are only a few decades into our technology Renaissance. But dismissing something purely under the *reasoning* "I can't see it, therefore it's not there", is a logical fallacy. I can't see gravity but I know it is there. Though this will be my last response to you on this thread as I don't think the style of my debate will ever win you over. I don't think you really listen to other ideas, your idea of a perfect universe is one with like minded roth2s roth3s and so on and so forth. Parallel Roths in this universe is what you seek and if I ever find an article on that I'll post it. Though I can't think of a time I sat next to someone and conversed with with them and all their responses being "I agree", then suddenly it stretched my mind to somewhere it couldn't have been once they said I agree, resulting in a new idea. Sorry we made you mad with our quest in humoring ideas to both expand our mind and look for what may be new understanding in the future.

a reply to: Argyll
Roth1 does have a point. His stance on the subject is correct as well. We do not have proof of any of this . Only theories based on the few amount of facts we do have.But that is the purpose of all particle colliders. You know , when I was in school we were taught that the atom (protons , neutrons , and electrons) were the smallest particles of mass. But then came along other scientists that stated ok , what are those made of ? Question everything.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

Wouldn't it be cool if a 'Big Bang' occurred next door because of the LHC? Imagine if our 'leakage' causes the genesis of creation in a neighbouring universe?

It would suck if we destroyed another universe with living beings in it. Wouldn't it? The other Universe might not respond positively to gravity from our own.

a reply to: here4this

As I only have a high school education, I don't consider myself fluent in theoretical physics lol.

a reply to: here4this

He may have had a point but his ability to articulate it was juvenile at best. No one in this thread (to my knowledge at least) stated that any information presented herein was scientific fact. Researchers of String Theory, Many Worlds Theory, what have you, know that they are just that: theories. Apparently these theories and their respective possibility of becoming fact is simply too much for minds thoroughly grounded in five sense reality to actualize. Its like you said, we have particle colliders like LHC for a reason. To learn the viability of these theories and thereby master our existence.

a reply to: Xeven
The Big Bang is a misnomer. The terminology better used is the universe started a constant expansion. It is still ongoing now and will be expanding until ....you fill in the blanks. The question is "How is the universe expanding at faster than light speed without being spaghettified across eternity ?"

a reply to: Autorico

As I said , the man that all but destroyed the "Hawking Radiation Theory " was a plumber in (I will have to look this up again) New Jersey I think . So never count yourself out.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: whyamIhere
It honestly sounds like poppycock to me.

I hope he doesn't turn it up to 11...

I hope they dont divide by zero myself!!

I have to ask. WHat happens if the mini black hole breaks containment and acheives self sustaining mass?

Then all our problems are over, except for the inconvenience of bending
over to kiss it goodbye. One's butt and lips will be stretched by sudden,
agonizing stretch/acceleration TOWARD the gravity golf ball the three
milliseconds or so between knowing and going would be insignificant.
Then we get free backstage passes, and Cornell will be there signing
autographs with a dry Sharpie. "wontcha come, and wash away the brains"
I couldn't help it, it's a great Soundgarden tune.

originally posted by: here4this
The question is "How is the universe expanding at faster than light speed without being spaghettified across eternity ?"

Expansion and propagation are not the same.

"Basic questions about physics for 200, Alex!"

originally posted by: derfreebie
Then all our problems are over, except for the inconvenience of bending
over to kiss it goodbye.

A black hole with a proton's aperture would take quite a while to eat the Earth. You'll make it to the end of your days without realizing it.

However, you can also rest easily knowing that while the thread's been running, billions of protons with higher energies have whacked into every body in the solar system, and we're all still here.

originally posted by: FireflyStars
Doesn't this thing have some sort of regulation on what they can and cannot do yet? When I first learned about it I was wary, now I just try not to think about the LHC because they could literally tear apart the universe.

But hey, what does Stephen Hawking know...? (Enough to warn them to quit messing with things we don't understand)

Seriously! Why don't I get a vote on this? They don't know what will happen, that's why they're doing it! Can they guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing terrible and irreversible will come of this? Is there a worldwide steering committee at least? Some rules and regulations? Last I heard, more than a few scientists were sounding alarm bells.

I can't find the article I read years ago, but here's a snippet with quotes from physicists that mirror my thoughts of "It's my world too, don't I get a say?" and "You people can't guarantee nothing bad will happen!"...

Source: New York Times, April 2008

One problem is that society has never agreed on a standard of what is safe in these surreal realms when the odds of disaster might be tiny but the stakes are cosmically high. In such situations, probability estimates are often no more than “informed betting odds,” said Martin Rees, a Cambridge University cosmologist, the astronomer royal and the author of “Our Final Hour.” Adrian Kent, also of Cambridge, said in a paper in 2003 reviewing scientists’ failure to calculate adequately and characterize accurately risks to the public, that even the most basic question, “ ‘How improbable does a catastrophe have to be to justify proceeding with an experiment?’ seems never to have been seriously examined.”

Dr. Calogero commented, as did Dr. Kent, in 2000 after a very public battle on the safety of another accelerator, the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, or Rhic, at the Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island. Dr. Calogero said he hoped to apply a gentle pressure on Cern to treat these issues with seriousness

originally posted by: new_here

Seriously! Why don't I get a vote on this? They don't know what will happen, that's why they're doing it!

Yet that doesn't mean it's not happening all around you, all the time, just without your notice.

originally posted by: Xeven

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

Wouldn't it be cool if a 'Big Bang' occurred next door because of the LHC? Imagine if our 'leakage' causes the genesis of creation in a neighbouring universe?

It would suck if we destroyed another universe with living beings in it. Wouldn't it? The other Universe might not respond positively to gravity from our own.

What would be really interesting, if this could even work, is watching all the "scientists" explain the violations of the laws of thermodynamics. Silly stuff like energy can neither be created nor destroyed, conservation of mass, energy, information, you know all those annoying goofy laws (because laws are meant to be broken). If any kind of energy is transferred to another universe, it is effectively destroyed in this universe as it no longer exists in ours (damn those laws, maybe we should just get political and just call them consensus based rules of thumb LOL).

As soon as you leak mass or energy from our universe to another, you violate those laws. Conservation of mass and energy is a big one, as a loss of energy/mass in this universe would create a paradoxical imbalance, similar to time travel. You'd think that because the universe is a net sum zero construct (and probably another would be the same), there wouldn't be a problem, but there is because a change in positive or negative energy content changes the universe into a net sum e+ or e- construct. One would have to move equivalent amounts of e+ and/or e- between both universes in a simultaneous transfer.

Now, strangely enough, dimensional transfer is more probable within a universe, but they wouldn't want you to know that because the fundi religious groups would probably go batsh*t.

Just a thought...

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: new_here

originally posted by: FireflyStars
Doesn't this thing have some sort of regulation on what they can and cannot do yet? When I first learned about it I was wary, now I just try not to think about the LHC because they could literally tear apart the universe.

But hey, what does Stephen Hawking know...? (Enough to warn them to quit messing with things we don't understand)

Seriously! Why don't I get a vote on this? They don't know what will happen, that's why they're doing it! Can they guarantee beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing terrible and irreversible will come of this? Is there a worldwide steering committee at least? Some rules and regulations? Last I heard, more than a few scientists were sounding alarm bells.

I can't find the article I read years ago, but here's a snippet with quotes from physicists that mirror my thoughts of "It's my world too, don't I get a say?" and "You people can't guarantee nothing bad will happen!"...

Source: New York Times, April 2008

One problem is that society has never agreed on a standard of what is safe in these surreal realms when the odds of disaster might be tiny but the stakes are cosmically high. In such situations, probability estimates are often no more than “informed betting odds,” said Martin Rees, a Cambridge University cosmologist, the astronomer royal and the author of “Our Final Hour.” Adrian Kent, also of Cambridge, said in a paper in 2003 reviewing scientists’ failure to calculate adequately and characterize accurately risks to the public, that even the most basic question, “ ‘How improbable does a catastrophe have to be to justify proceeding with an experiment?’ seems never to have been seriously examined.”

Dr. Calogero commented, as did Dr. Kent, in 2000 after a very public battle on the safety of another accelerator, the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, or Rhic, at the Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island. Dr. Calogero said he hoped to apply a gentle pressure on Cern to treat these issues with seriousness

The side of this that implies no doom, and these scientists know this very well, is the scenario that says that what happens inside this accelerator, happens nearly everywhere, all the time. It could happen in your face, right in front of you , but never know it.

High energy particles, of different types do collide naturally with other high energy particles, but you would never be able to catch that. The collider just guarantees it in a space that can be measured. The question is what would be different there, than a natural occurrence?

a reply to: new_here
Yes , there is a governing body for the LHC. This governing body is collectively known as "The Laws of Physics" . Better than any committee that we could put together , the LHC has to obey this one governing body no matter what. No exceptions , no variance , complete and absolute subservience. Due to this governing body and its absolute control , there can never be an "Oh , crap" moment at the LHC that would be of any consequence . For example , look at the amount of power that they have to have for just a short operation . Now compare that to the total amount of energy produced . If this was a company trying to make money , they would fall millions in the hole (semi-pun not intended) every time they fired it up .

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Gravitational Singularities hurt like hell on the head.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

If a black hole with the mass of a car will evaporate in a nanosecond while briefly emitting radiation at a rate 200 times greater than the sun, and smaller mass black holes will evaporate even faster, so why are you even asking about "holding masses together"? Most predictions are more along these lines:

Source



Any thoughts?

originally posted by: dntwastetime
I saw a video where the guy said they were running the LHC during the same time as the 3/11/11 quake .Youtuber named revalation13 or something. Also spoke of Nostradamus prophecy involving Geneva as well as strangelets turning into black holes possibly. I can't remember all the details but LHC scares the crap out of me. All the weird symbolism these mad scientists employ plus the timing. 322 then starting on 3/23. Suicidal nihilist mad scientists . I am sure there are other worlds that were destroyed by there own scientists up there.

With a name like Thirteenth Monkey, who knows how reliable this source is, but two words in your post made me go find it again. I've bolded the two words:

In the graphs, developed in detail in the different posts of this web, we show the 3 distinctive Life extinction events that the Large Hadron Collider can cause, once it is put on line at double potency in 2015, over the 10 Tev barrier of dark matter – the theoretical minimal energy of formation of a ‘bag of strangelets’ and ‘micro-black holes’.
- Creation of baby black holes that do not evaporate, either as top quark condensates (Einstein’s famous frozen stars) or string stars with higher dimensionality.
- Creation of strangelets, lumps of strange quarks shown to be very common in the Universe, as all pulsars seems to be frozen, strange stars.
Both type of ‘frozen stars’ will be made at CERN between 2015 and 2020 on collisions over 10 Tev.
- Finally the magnetic field of the LHC, the strongest on planet Earth, which cause disturbances on the Earth’s magnetic field, cause of Earthquakes that have increased till record numbers, similar to those of II World War during the carpet bombing of the pacific seismic ‘ring of fire’, since the machine was put on line. Any of those 3 scenarios should have deterred CERN and its financial backers.
Those 3 fundamental threats of massive damage to Earth should follow the Totalitarian principle of Physics in which the certainty of the Laws of Nature is based: ‘Everything not forbidden is compulsory’ – meaning that everything that might happen MUST happen.

Make of it what you will, people. It's rather long and and I just skimmed it myself. (With my sleepy brain, lol.)

Edit to add linky (told ya I was sleepy.) Source

sa reply to: here4this

Did the atomic bomb open a black hole or a rift in the space/time continuum ?

Nope, but they weren't sure whether or not it would set the atmosphere on fire, but they decided 'what the heck, let's test it anyway, muhahaha!!!'

I know you weren't replying to me, but your statement struck me, so... thought I'd throw it out there. We cool?

originally posted by: here4this
a reply to: new_here
Yes , there is a governing body for the LHC. This governing body is collectively known as "The Laws of Physics" . Better than any committee that we could put together , the LHC has to obey this one governing body no matter what. No exceptions , no variance , complete and absolute subservience. Due to this governing body and its absolute control , there can never be an "Oh , crap" moment at the LHC that would be of any consequence . For example , look at the amount of power that they have to have for just a short operation . Now compare that to the total amount of energy produced . If this was a company trying to make money , they would fall millions in the hole (semi-pun not intended) every time they fired it up .

I see what you're saying, but "The Laws of Physics" can't speak to them personally and tell them 'something irreversibly bad is gonna happen!' or 'we cool dude carry on' If they knew what would happen, they wouldn't be testing it. So "The Laws" are kinda mute as a governing body in my opinion.