Scientists at Large Hadron Collider hope to make contact with PARALLEL UNIVERSE in days

Even if the doomsday theory of creating unstable field to be a danger for the Universe proposed by Hawking is somewhat true, I don't believe the intelligent Universe will allow anyone, including the primitive Earth civilization, to destroy it so easily. Some mention principle of non interference. But in that case, it is the Earth who will interfere, destroy, others. I doubt the earth would ever be allowed to do that. Civilizations with thousands, million years more advanced tech can stop us in an instant without receiving a scratch with our weapons, if the earthlings dare to endanger the life of everything. Not only in the Universe but even in our small group of stars around. We overestimate our capabilities and the extend of power given to us from above.

BTW I don't think Hawking represents the best of the best of the scientific thought. He proved to have been mistaken before. As of the black holes, wormholes, time travel and many other things. Moreover, today's science is rather conservative, has religious taboos, and seem doesn't want to accept for a fact principles that are manifested in broad daylight. I mean the antigravity craft already made on earth. If the official science, Hawking included, have troubles with that, how can we believe them for the rest.

In summary, I invite THEM, in either scenario. In scenario that THEY must stop crazy men on earth from mutual destruction, or in scenario THEY come to help Earth uplift not only technologically but also morally. Because frankly, in some cases we are morally below the cave men in the stone era.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

The staggeringly complex LHC ‘atom smasher’ at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed – rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

The experiment is sure to inflame alarmist critics of the LHC, many of whom initially warned the high energy particle collider would spell the end of our universe with the creation a black hole of its own.

But so far Geneva remains intact and comfortably outside the event horizon.

Scientists at Large Hadron Collider hope to make contact with PARALLEL UNIVERSE in days

What?

Just what the hell are they playing at over in Switzerland? Attempting to create mini black holes? Attempting to open up parallel universes?

I am all for discovering new things and appreciate science is relatively still in its infancy, but what happens if this little experiment goes dramatically wrong, it could be the end of everything.

I'm sure in this day and age, risk assessments have been conducted, but what's to stop a little Black Hole growing into the Daddy of Black Holes?

The truth is, they do not know, yet they are willing to take the chance.

Still I guess they have to justify their funding?

Sleep well.

When scientists first tested the Hydrogen bomb, they thought it would or could create an unstoppable chain reaction that would destroy the world, here we are, hundreds of tests and fifty years later. I think we will be good

a reply to: 2012newstart

CERN is incapable of anything doomish, except for those nearest it, and then only if there is a major malfunction, or unforseen design flaw. imo

That said, mankind is fully capable of self-destruction, and hellbent on it. Too bad it has to happen before we can achieve our true potential.

There are no aliens, no parallel universes, alternative timelines or realities, no divine intervention and no science that can save us now from ourselves.

Man, I'm getting shivers remember the show Fringe?

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

The staggeringly complex LHC ‘atom smasher’ at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed – rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

The experiment is sure to inflame alarmist critics of the LHC, many of whom initially warned the high energy particle collider would spell the end of our universe with the creation a black hole of its own.

But so far Geneva remains intact and comfortably outside the event horizon.

Scientists at Large Hadron Collider hope to make contact with PARALLEL UNIVERSE in days

What?

Just what the hell are they playing at over in Switzerland? Attempting to create mini black holes? Attempting to open up parallel universes?

I am all for discovering new things and appreciate science is relatively still in its infancy, but what happens if this little experiment goes dramatically wrong, it could be the end of everything.

I'm sure in this day and age, risk assessments have been conducted, but what's to stop a little Black Hole growing into the Daddy of Black Holes?

The truth is, they do not know, yet they are willing to take the chance.

Still I guess they have to justify their funding?

Sleep well.

When scientists first tested the Hydrogen bomb, they thought it would or could create an unstoppable chain reaction that would destroy the world, here we are, hundreds of tests and fifty years later. I think we will be good

You think..? We need more than a thought. It wouldn't surprise me if we found out the hard way we aint as smart as we "THINK/THOUGHT..?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

There is strong founded theory dating back to the first scientists in Manhattan project who even warned pres. Truman, of possibility of atmospheric N2 ignition into chain reaction. It didn't happen with the small bombs, it doesn't mean it can't happen with the big ones.

The Tsar bomb, the biggest ever, was designed at 100 megatons and carried so much nuclear fuel, however the reaction was intentionally slowed down with appropriate tech to explode at some 50+ megatons...to spare the pilots of the bomber. I think the real reason is to avoid any miscalculation of N2 ignition. American officials begged the Russians not to perform the test. However they did it, in a row of a month long everyday testing in the far North.

Moreover, the talks of a minimum arsenal of let say 200 warheads to be able to "contain" or even more, to destroy the life on earth, sounds to me as recognition of that possibility. I.e. you may not have megatons in one single bomb but you may have enough warheads that exploded in sequence, could ignite N2 in chain reaction. Otherwise, for what containment MAD speaks about, other than mad scenarios? Both sides have deep bunkers. They are afraid of the above possibility. It could be started on one's own territory, not necessarily reaching the other continent.Some declassified Soviet plan envisioned a nuclear loaded cargo ship near Vladivostok, with enough nuclear material to explode the planet. Soviet sec. Gorbachev dismissed the idea. The documentary in English showed the model of the ship presented to him and Gorbachev moving his head in disbelief that is possible to be conceived in his strategists' minds. That is what we know.

Mass accretion by a black hole whether natural or otherwise is, contrary to MS view, is an incredibly slow process. So imo the cern black hole, big bang or II'el universe, cannot affect us in our present time frame. Maybe way too distant in the future, yes.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: Soloprotocol

There is strong founded theory dating back to the first scientists in Manhattan project who even warned pres. Truman, of possibility of atmospheric N2 ignition into chain reaction. It didn't happen with the small bombs, it doesn't mean it can't happen with the big ones.

Nope, it can't. What they were worried about was setting up a Bethe Cycle fusion reaction between water, nitrogen and carbon dioxide. Only you aren't anywhere near having enough gravity or energy input. You can pop off all the nukes you'd like and you won't get that. The Sun doesn't have enough butt to do Bethe Cycle fusion. You have to have a much bigger star. The earth just doesn't qualify.

BTW, no one told Truman. It was a bet at the Trinity site.

nothing will happen, except they will maybe discover a new particle... maybe they should call it 'wearebozos'

a reply to: Astyanax

Thanks for that link and I hope others read through it too (cosmological natural selection). Although I've read about several of those ideas before, the links and tangents have made for even more reading. It's given me a lot to think about and the CNS-I models particularly appeal to the way my mind considers space and time.

I've also downloaded a couple of David Brin stories too : )

Some CNS-I models propose that increasingly internally intelligent universes might naturally grow out of simple CNS universes at the leading edge of universal complexity, just as we have seen intelligence emerge within environmentally dominant lineages in life's history on Earth. In the most functionally and morphologically complex species on Earth, we may observe that life's intelligence mechanisms have progressed from "random" recombination of prebiotic or prokaryotic genetic elements, to a much more culturally-guided replication in higher eukaryotes. In this process, we see that individual and collective intelligence (memes, knowledge, self-awareness) increasingly influences and constrains the original and persistent "random" replicators (genes, DNA).

CNS-I models are thus consistent not only with weak observer-selection anthropic models, where our universal parameters are presumed to be anthropic (intelligence-favoring) primarily because we are here to observe them, but also with strong anthropic arguments such as the fine-tuned universe problem, where we postulate that several of our universal parameters appear improbably fine-tuned for the purpose of the emergence of life, complexity and intelligence. In other words, in CNS-I, not only universe replication and selection but also universal evolutionary developmental intelligence emergence, conservation, and robustness/immunity may be considered intrinsic to the developmental telos (purpose, drive, life cycle goal) of the universe, again as long as that intelligence has a less-than-random role to play in universe selection and replication.

From the CNS with Intelligence section

These wider considerations might indeed raise the possibility that our attempts to poke a parallel universe are an expression of the 'developmental telos' of this very universe. I know it's a simplistic analogy and yet the idea of a sperm and an egg seems apt.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: BlueMule
How trustworthy is the source?

👣

Well, it's the Daily Express, which is a mainstream newspaper here in the U.K.

And not prone for melodrama, hyperbole and outright nonsense at all....

/sarcasm

Stop fretting and getting sucked into tabloid newspaper BS.
The interactions recreated at the LHC are nothing compared to the ones that naturally occur in the upper atmosphere. The only difference is that the LHC does it in a very controlled manner where they can be observed in infinite detail to discover exactly what processes are occurring.

Mini black holes and the such like are constantly being created and destroyed above your heads as I write this and have been since the dawn of the universe. Stop worrying and falling for the usual ill-informed media hysteria!

To be fair, I've been watching The Flash, and I wouldn't mind becoming a metahuman, so crank up that collider and make it happen!

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

The staggeringly complex LHC ‘atom smasher’ at the CERN centre in Geneva, Switzerland, will be fired up to its highest energy levels ever in a bid to detect - or even create - miniature black holes.

If successful a completely new universe will be revealed – rewriting not only the physics books but the philosophy books too.

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

The experiment is sure to inflame alarmist critics of the LHC, many of whom initially warned the high energy particle collider would spell the end of our universe with the creation a black hole of its own.

But so far Geneva remains intact and comfortably outside the event horizon.

Scientists at Large Hadron Collider hope to make contact with PARALLEL UNIVERSE in days

What?

Just what the hell are they playing at over in Switzerland? Attempting to create mini black holes? Attempting to open up parallel universes?

I am all for discovering new things and appreciate science is relatively still in its infancy, but what happens if this little experiment goes dramatically wrong, it could be the end of everything.

I'm sure in this day and age, risk assessments have been conducted, but what's to stop a little Black Hole growing into the Daddy of Black Holes?

The truth is, they do not know, yet they are willing to take the chance.

Still I guess they have to justify their funding?

Sleep well.

When scientists first tested the Hydrogen bomb, they thought it would or could create an unstoppable chain reaction that would destroy the world, here we are, hundreds of tests and fifty years later. I think we will be good

It only takes the first time!

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

It is even possible that gravity from our own universe may ‘leak’ into this parallel universe, scientists at the LHC say.

Wouldn't it be cool if a 'Big Bang' occurred next door because of the LHC? Imagine if our 'leakage' causes the genesis of creation in a neighbouring universe?

What if, 15 - 20 Billion years ago, some group of alien scientists were stumbling around with a new super science toy they had built which caused a gravity leak from their dimension and created a bubble universe to form next door. A few billion years after that, our Solar system began to take shape, and here we all are, millions of years later, typing about it and attempting to recreate the same thing over in Switzerland right now.

Scientists have always had a god complex, but maybe they actually will become creator gods?

a reply to: MysterX

If that idea appeals to you, you'll probably enjoy Clarke's short story The Last Question. It's about human existentialism and the death of a universe, but don't let that put you off! It's short and sweet and relates entirely to your post : )

The last question was asked for the first time, half in jest, on May 21, 2061, at a time when humanity first stepped into the light. The question came about as a result of a five dollar bet over highballs, and it happened this way:

Alexander Adell and Bertram Lupov were two of the faithful attendants of Multivac. As well as any human beings could, they knew what lay behind the cold, clicking, flashing face -- miles and miles of face -- of that giant computer. They had at least a vague notion of the general plan of relays and circuits that had long since grown past the point where any single human could possibly have a firm grasp of the whole.

Multivac was self-adjusting and self-correcting. It had to be, for nothing human could adjust and correct it quickly enough or even adequately enough -- so Adell and Lupov attended the monstrous giant only lightly and superficially, yet as well as any men could. They fed it data, adjusted questions to its needs and translated the answers that were issued. Certainly they, and all others like them, were fully entitled to share In the glory that was Multivac's.

For decades, Multivac had helped design the ships and plot the trajectories that enabled man to reach the Moon, Mars, and Venus, but past that, Earth's poor resources could not support the ships. Too much energy was needed for the long trips. Earth exploited its coal and uranium with increasing efficiency, but there was only so much of both.

But slowly Multivac learned enough to answer deeper questions more fundamentally, and on May 14, 2061, what had been theory, became fact.

The energy of the sun was stored, converted, and utilized directly on a planet-wide scale. All Earth turned off its burning coal, its fissioning uranium, and flipped the switch that connected all of it to a small station, one mile in diameter, circling the Earth at half the distance of the Moon. All Earth ran by invisible beams of sunpower.

well here's hoping we don't all disappear into a black hole of our own creation.

that would be inexcusable, and frankly bad form.

so what is the worse thing that can happen?

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
so what is the worse thing that can happen?

a reply to: Kandinsky

Thanks Kandinsky, just finished reading it. I enjoyed it muchly.

Who knows eh?

Let's ask AC...