"US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real"

originally posted by: Anaana
Besides, if you read the transcript from the second night, they took geiger counters with them, which did detect some radiation but not to the extent that would indicate a nuclear incident. Additionally, from that transcript, the trees that were damaged uniformly and exhibited a heat signature when viewed through the starlight scope, the damage is notable but far to minor to suggest a 'nuclear' incident.
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However, we're also back to the contradiction of non-ionizing verus ionizing radiation. Does non-ionising radiation register on a geiger counter?

No, non-ionizing radiation does not register on a Geiger counter since it works on the principle of ionization.

Note that the main source of the radiation must have been the object, not the residual radiation from the landing site.
Nevels carried a camera with him throughout the third day and night, and came close to the object twice. He developed the film himself and it was completely fogged. It takes much more than ‘just above background’ radiation to fog a film (and to cause heart valve and eye problems).

More info about X-rays and health problems are in my previous post a few pages back.

a reply to: Anaana

I haven't seen anything confirming any classified records being released to Burroughs.

Britain's mainstream media seem to have now caught on to this case as it appeared on The Daily Mirror's website (click).

The piece ends "We have asked the Veteran's Association for comment." So it may be worth following it to see if any more information comes out.

Burroughs also appeared on a Paracast interview on March 1st which can be downloaded here : Paracast link.

I haven't had the chance to listen to it nor the C2C AM episode with Linda Moulton Howe on Burroughs case. If I do get a chance then I'll add a comment in this thread.

Here's a snippet from Earthfiles : Click for mp3 file

As for the nuclear angle I was speculating that perhaps the VA classified his records because he came into contact with nuclear ordinance on the base around the time of the incident. I am possibly way off there.

But yes it certainly opens the possibility of further claims from other men out there. There has been no word as yet from James Penniston who apparently had the same problem getting his medical records released. See this letter addressed to President Obama.



As for the drugged interrogations, Larry Warren has surmised that Sodium Amathol was used. But the problem again is that John Burroughs has no recall of ever being given a 'chemical debriefing' unlike some of the other witnesses. Colonel Halt has for some time alleged that it was AFOSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations) who conducted these interrogations without his knowledge. It's all rather shady and murky and sounds like proper protocols were not being followed.

If you've ever looked into this case previously though you'll know nothing is ever straightforward....

a reply to: Guest101

Thanks for that information and plasma physics is not something I have any level of expertise in. So when you say

It takes x-rays to damage heart valves, and there is ample evidence that x-rays were an integral part of the Rendlesham mystery.

Would you care to elaborate?

I do believe physical ETs and UFO do exist and are currently visiting the earth. BUT I will not believe any official government statements about ETs or UFOs UNTIL a current government official, with actual DIRECT knowledge with support from all government agencies, comes out on prime time TV, radio, Internet, etc and publicly state, unequivocally, YES they do exist.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Guest101

Thanks for that information and plasma physics is not something I have any level of expertise in. So when you say

It takes x-rays to damage heart valves, and there is ample evidence that x-rays were an integral part of the Rendlesham mystery.

Would you care to elaborate?

Hi Mirageman,

Well, residual radiation was explicitely mentioned in Halt's memo, and on his tape they are constantly carrying and using a Geiger counter. When they approach the landing site (I think it is Battram's site, not the site of the first night), Halt seems to be concerned about the radiation levels and their safety. When - later on the tape - the object approaches, Halt immediately asks Nevels for a Geiger counter reading.

On top of that there is the fogged film of Nevels.

Concerning the relation to valve damage I refer to my earlier post (on the bottom of page 9)

a reply to: deloprator20000

Did you not read even the opening post in the thread and that the 'United States Department of Defense' have not confirmed anything?

a reply to: Guest101

Thanks.

There has been some dispute over the validity of the radiation readings, the competency of Sgt. Nevels operating the Geiger counter and whether they really represented anything significant at all. I am sure you know all that and how 'conclusion led sceptics' have attacked it.

But that is all the evidence we, and I assume the VA, have to go on when judging on Burroughs case.
I'm going to try to listen to that Paracast show before the weekend. Maybe Burroughs himself clarifies some things in the interview.

originally posted by: Guest101
No, non-ionizing radiation does not register on a Geiger counter since it works on the principle of ionization.

That's what I thought, thanks for the clarification.

originally posted by: Guest101
Note that the main source of the radiation must have been the object, not the residual radiation from the landing site.

Object? As in something that can be kicked? Not sure I agree with that or the definition of a 'landing' site. Could be a launch site...

originally posted by: Guest101
Nevels carried a camera with him throughout the third day and night, and came close to the object twice. He developed the film himself and it was completely fogged. It takes much more than ‘just above background’ radiation to fog a film (and to cause heart valve and eye problems).

As I mentioned in a previous post, non-ionising radiation could have caused the damage to the eyes, but I agree, not the heart (that said, I do not have sufficient medical knowledge to make that call) unless we factor in the stress of the event...or exposure to a pathogen.

originally posted by: Guest101
More info about X-rays and health problems are in my previous post a few pages back.

I will check that out, thanks.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: deloprator20000

Did you not read even the opening post in the thread and that the 'United States Department of Defense' have not confirmed anything?

Its futile. I've come to the conclusion that True Believers have a disconnected critical reasoning circuit. The Cult of UFO is a religion.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Anaana

I haven't seen anything confirming any classified records being released to Burroughs.

Britain's mainstream media seem to have now caught on to this case as it appeared on The Daily Mirror's website (click).

The piece ends "We have asked the Veteran's Association for comment." So it may be worth following it to see if any more information comes out.

Well...it's the Mirror which bears a vague resemblance to journalism, but you never know they might chase it up and get their teeth stuck in. I shall refrain from holding my breath though

I am, the more I read about this, the more concerned I am about Penniston. First he claims to have a note book, and taking notes during the search. This is then refuted by Burroughs, so Penniston changes his story to say that he received a direct communication in binary form during the experience. Additionally, the 'crafts' that Burroughs draws in his report bears little resemblance to the one that Penniston draws in his report. Also, his confusion over dates, and that he never signed or dated his report. I am not for a moment suggesting that he is lying but clearly he is confused and still trying to make sense, and infilling as a result, regarding the details. It's like he is so without credibility that it makes him credible.

originally posted by: mirageman
Burroughs also appeared on a Paracast interview on March 1st which can be downloaded here : Paracast link.

I haven't had the chance to listen to it nor the C2C AM episode with Linda Moulton Howe on Burroughs case. If I do get a chance then I'll add a comment in this thread.

Here's a snippet from Earthfiles : Click for mp3 file

Are those all radio interviews? I'd like to watch him talk, know where I can find anything like that?

originally posted by: mirageman
As for the nuclear angle I was speculating that perhaps the VA classified his records because he came into contact with nuclear ordinance on the base around the time of the incident. I am possibly way off there.

I still think the light house is the most likely scenario as far as the main light occurence, but that does not discount that even if it was just that, it had a considerable, even physical, effect on these guys. Strange place, out in the woods, a flashing light, most of them new to the area, perfectly understandable. And yet, the commanding officer, senior staff at the very least indulged Burroughs and Penniston, took them seriously enough to conduct further investigations. Training exercise/experiment gone wrong? The thing is, how can an air base be unaware of a lighthouse, as almost all of them claim to be, fair enough for ground crew but it stretches the imagination that senior officers would not know about that, or don't the USAF ever do night training flights?

originally posted by: mirageman
As for the drugged interrogations, Larry Warren has surmised that Sodium Amathol was used. But the problem again is that John Burroughs has no recall of ever being given a 'chemical debriefing' unlike some of the other witnesses. Colonel Halt has for some time alleged that it was AFOSI (Air Force Office of Special Investigations) who conducted these interrogations without his knowledge. It's all rather shady and murky and sounds like proper protocols were not being followed.

I am beginning to wonder if these guys were tripping, with or more likely, without their knowledge. I don't know, the DoD has acknowledged, at the very least, that they believe that Burroughs believes something happened by settling his claim, and the investigation immediately following the event suggests that something happened, but what seemed to happen was that they chased a lighthouse light through the woods (one that is even known to fool locals who spend a lot of time in those woods)...it is certainly an interesting one.

Thanks again for all your help navigating the case, it's a big help and appreciated.

a reply to: Anaana


I'll have to catch up with things tomorrow. But as a a starting point:

There are a number of documents, podcasts and videos that I compiled in a previous thread : Click Here

However video is particularly susceptible to disappearing rapidly on the net. I know a number of those links are now dead.

Perhaps the most interesting one is the 30th anniversary conference at Woodbridge town hall featuring Burroughs, Penniston, Larry Warren, Peter Robbins, Linda Moulton Howe and Nick Pope. This was just prior to the meaning of the binary code being revealed. It's quite a long video but, unlike TV productions, has not really been edited and compressed.

Check it out here.

Also a very good timeline of the events over Christmas 1980 were put together by an anonymous forum user : Click here

mirageman, thank you so much.

It'll take me a day or three to get around to going through all that, and digest it, but really that's above and beyond and definately appreciated. Thanks again.

a reply to: Anaana

Listening partially to the Paracast interview today it seems that there are a few points to be gleaned from it.

1) John Burroughs was given a completely clean bill of health on joining the Air Force in 1979. He fell ill immediately after the Rendlesham incident and was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Something that would have stopped his admittance to the air force.

2) The Phoenix VA have accepted the contents of the Condign report as evidence that Burroughs was injured (via radiation) in the line of duty in Rendlesham Forest. Taking other considerations into account as well this resulted in a succesful claim for Burroughs.

3) Jim Penniston originally filed a similar claim but (as far as John Burroughs now knows) has provided further documents to the VA and not pursued his case like Burroughs.


Another thing that may be relevant is to drift back to the 1980s and remember what was going on. Whilst Maggie Thatcher and Ronnie Reagan were enjoying a 'special relationship' of their own there was a very active CND campaign against the introduction of US Cruise & Pershing Missiles into Western Europe. Greenham Common in the UK was the most famous spot and there was speculation that the protesters were being hit with non-ionizing microwave radiation.


Clip from Microwave News 1986

Is there a link back to Rendlesham? I have no idea. But I thought I'd put it out there.

mirageman, apologies, I had intended to be back here sooner, but I am swamped and what spare online time that I have I have been spending immersed in Rendlesham.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Anaana

Listening partially to the Paracast interview today it seems that there are a few points to be gleaned from it.

1) John Burroughs was given a completely clean bill of health on joining the Air Force in 1979. He fell ill immediately after the Rendlesham incident and was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Something that would have stopped his admittance to the air force.

There are four possible causes for the development of a heart murmur in adults; valve calcification, mitral valve prolapse, Endocarditis or Rheumatic Fever. The last two appear to be the most probable and it could possibly be a combination of the two. Either way I would lay money on it that sometime in the week proceeding the events Burroughs was infected with Streptococcus pyogenes and that on the nights in question he was suffering from a sore throat. There are approximately 700 million cases of Steptococcus throat infections world wide every year, most of these are straightforward and respond to anti-biotics. In about 0.1% of infection though, a little over 650,000, the infection is more severe and becomes invasive. Around a quarter of all those cases end in death, usually as a result of Toxicshock-Like Streptococcus Syndrome (TLSS). In a normal otherwise fit and healthy young man like Burroughs, there may have been very few symptoms, other than a sore throat, that he was infected, and had he not spent two cold wet nights wandering through the woods under what seems to be an emotionally charged state, accompanied by similarly agitated, over excited companions, it is likely that such an infection may not have been able to take hold. If the infection passed into his blood stream, it could have released the bacterial toxins that had made his throat sore and they could have found their way to his heart. Either rheumatic fever or endocarditis would explain the heart murmur, and the culpability of the US Army in failure to provide prompt medical treatment. It doesn't require any otherwordly explanation than that.

For me, that explains his condition, and potentially his state of mind in the period immediately after both nights. If he was building up to fighting a major infection, fever for starters. He's a big guy and I should imagine as strong as an ox in his day, I don't doubt his ability to walk through any illness before his murmur, probably hadn't spent a single day ill in bed in his life, but, that kind of illness, if it went towards toxicshock, the oxidation of his brain would shut down higher functions and he'd be in a dream state, due to all resources being directed to fighting the infection. He could have been up and walking around, like an automaton, but essentially in a somnambulic state. He's a country boy, and a trained soldier, his body knows what to do all by itself, he's not what you'd call talkative either, if he didn't talk for a few days I doubt anyone would've noticed. Although, I think Penniston did.

originally posted by: mirageman
2) The Phoenix VA have accepted the contents of the Condign report as evidence that Burroughs was injured (via radiation) in the line of duty in Rendlesham Forest. Taking other considerations into account as well this resulted in a succesful claim for Burroughs.

I would guess, given my total lack of medical training, that those "other considerations" would closely resemble my hypothesis above, or something along those lines. I stand by previous summary, the DoD believes that Burroughs believes that his heart murmur was a result of the two nights in Rendlesham Woods, and they acknowledge that that may well be true based on those "other considerations".

What that doesn't explain, is why the medical files are classified, if they are classified. So while I think the sore throat explains what Burroughs claims to have experienced (and I think it is important to listen to what Burroughs says himself about all this), it doesn't then explain Penniston's story. And that's really where all the meat is. Burroughs doesn't claim to have seen anything other than lights, he recalls being told things are happening (the hypnosis tape is fantastic!!), but he doesn't really understand what happened and doesn't hold it in any relational framework. That he is aware that the something that happened is related to what caused his illness seems entirely bound by his "standing by" Penniston.

Before I got to finding biographys of each of them and watching interviews and the such, from reading just the reports and witness statements, I began to construct a picture that Burroughs was ill, hallucinating, and Penniston had a hysterical/psychosomatic sympathetic reaction, so that he too began hallucinating. I was expecting therefore to find that Penniston was younger, less intelligent and probably subordinate to Burroughs. I, of course, found the reverse. That raises other explanations and suggests that Burroughs may be malleable, and if, as I suggest, he was in a sleepwalking state, he was probably quite suggestible.

That's really all I've got time for now, but thanks, enjoying this one, not what I had expected at all.

a reply to: Anaana

That's an interesting theory about John Burroughs and one I've never heard before!

In fairness to him his story has not really changed in 35 years like Penniston's has and he is careful to separate his hypnosis from what he actually remembers. Did he have a sore throat on Christmas Eve in 1980? Well he may remember and may clear that matter up for you.

However the DoD could have pointed out that Burroughs was actually a civilian on the night of the 27th/28th December and technically 'off-duty' if they wanted to play hardball.

The commonly held debunkers theory is that:

i) The Soviet rocket booster burning up over Southern England at around 21:00 Christmas Day kicked things into action.

ii) The later meteorite display in the early hours of Boxing Day triggered an off base investigation by Penniston, Cabansag and Burroughs.

iii) The atmospheric conditions that night along with the beams for the Orford Ness lighthouse and the Shipwash Lightship were responsible for the strange lights in the forest.

Cabansag and Burroughs statements actually confirm they saw the lights from a lighthouse. Colonel Halt (on the third night) seems somewhat perpetually confused by where the lighthouse actually was in relation to where he was standing.

That all said there are things like the the multi-coloured lights that are never quite explained by the sceptics and none of them really want to take on Larry Warren's story. There's a lot, lot more of course to Rendlesham. I've been looking into it on and off for about 10 years now but still haven't worked it all out. It's a case that on the surface seems easy to solve. But people tend to cherry pick the evidence based on their own initial point of view and we are left with believers who really think it was something out of this world and de-bunkers who think nothing really happened. Personally I think it's a bit more complex than that.

originally posted by: mirageman


That's an interesting theory about John Burroughs and one I've never heard before!

In fairness to him his story has not really changed in 35 years like Penniston's has and he is careful to separate his hypnosis from what he actually remembers. Did he have a sore throat on Christmas Eve in 1980? Well he may remember and may clear that matter up for you.

However the DoD could have pointed out that Burroughs was actually a civilian on the night of the 27th/28th December and technically 'off-duty' if they wanted to play hardball.

There are a number of avenues of possibility in respect of how the DoD could have approached Burroughs claim and personally it is the approach that they chose that seems to raise the most flags for me. Burroughs is completely open to an explanation, any satisfactory explanation would suffice, rather than offer that the DoD have chosen a pacifying tactic rather than to publically examine the case in detail. Whether it is out of respect for Burroughs length of service, or whether it is a means to obfuscate the events of those nights (and possibly subsequent days and nights if I continue to work on the hypothesis that Burroughs was in a suggestible state for an undefined period of time preceding/during/following his forays into the woods).

originally posted by: mirageman
The commonly held debunkers theory is that:

i) The Soviet rocket booster burning up over Southern England at around 21:00 Christmas Day kicked things into action.

ii) The later meteorite display in the early hours of Boxing Day triggered an off base investigation by Penniston, Cabansag and Burroughs.

iii) The atmospheric conditions that night along with the beams for the Orford Ness lighthouse and the Shipwash Lightship were responsible for the strange lights in the forest.

Cabansag and Burroughs statements actually confirm they saw the lights from a lighthouse. Colonel Halt (on the third night) seems somewhat perpetually confused by where the lighthouse actually was in relation to where he was standing.

I know it may sound dismissive but, in the case, I don't think the lights themselves are that important. I think that the lights certainly played a part, but I don't think of themselves as "strangeness" in and of themselves, more that the lights were immediately perceived to be unusual and that that perception was encouraged, or validated, by the chain of command. The "strangeness" for me therefore is that the lights were presumed to be "strange" and that that assumption was carried forward rather than clarified. This suggests an expectation of such "strangeness" and yet, apart from the 1956 Bentwater incident, there is nothing to indicate that there was a recent history of activity that could be deemed suspicious. It is odd behaviour for a military facility wouldn't you say?

So, for me, even before the lights, by there very reaction to the lights, there is an atmosphere of anticipation, expectation and possibly fear of some kind that led to the lights being investigated off base.

originally posted by: mirageman
That all said there are things like the the multi-coloured lights that are never quite explained by the sceptics and none of them really want to take on Larry Warren's story. There's a lot, lot more of course to Rendlesham. I've been looking into it on and off for about 10 years now but still haven't worked it all out. It's a case that on the surface seems easy to solve. But people tend to cherry pick the evidence based on their own initial point of view and we are left with believers who really think it was something out of this world and de-bunkers who think nothing really happened. Personally I think it's a bit more complex than that.

I agree, and I haven't quite got to Warren yet therefore I by no means have a complete picture of the landscape involved. The multi-coloured lights...there seems some possibility that there were people running around or driving around with lights. Again, not sure about that. There is some indication of a tit-for-tat going on between the various military and auxillary units, as well as among the men involved themselves on some forums that gets very close to verbal fisticuffs but usually diffuses before getting too serious. There are some very complex relationships involved in all this, and amongst all this, there is Burroughs, who as you say has basically stuck to the same set of details for 35 years, and hasn't expanded the narrative in anyway. The hypnosis tape I think totally supports what he has said, and those elements that seem to him out of place, he has configured a rationale. He claims no understanding, no change in perception, nothing other than a lack of understanding as to why he was perfectly healthy before, and then after, he was not. He saw lights, under hypnosis he recalled being told about other strange things happening in relation to those lights but has no visual recall of those strange things.

Penniston claims that when Halt came out with his revised version of events that he attempted to keep Penniston and Burroughs apart. Penniston has stated that Halt is lying about his version of events, but Penniston didn't go out on the second night, only Burroughs, from the original party did. How does Penniston know that Halt is lying about what happened?

This is another thing that has intrigued me, it's from the Ridpath site, sure you've seen it. It is the response to some questions sent by telex regarding the case (for details follow link www.ianridpath.com... )

--Q10: Unknown. Sgt Burroughs is no longer assigned to this installation. (Incidently, we think Agt Burroughs is the anonymous airman who gave the interesting account to the press of seeing little silver men, discussions between the silver me and USAF people, dancing balls of light on people’s foreheads, and blacking out to unexplainably awaken caked with mud in his dorm room to be later visited by black-coated hush men, etc)
Victor L Warzinski, Capt, PA 2381

Soooo...in bold, what's all that about? Do you know? Having now watched hours of Burroughs talking, that doesn't sound like the kind of thing that he would say (unless he was out of his mind at the time), why would they think it was Burroughs when Burroughs has never made any such claim that even vaguely resembles those details?

I know there are some that think that this is a prank or hoax gone rogue, but if it is, it has taken on a whole new dimension and has a life of it's own beyond the control of it's instigators.

originally posted by: mirageman
According to a Press Release by John Burroughs it has.

“What makes this incredible and groundbreaking is that in January of 2015, the Veterans Administration (VA) has finally implied — after many years of attempting to get them to acknowledge that John Burroughs was injured while in the Rendlesham Forest, tying it together with the Condign document from the U. K. — it was an unidentified aerial phenomenon or vehicle that caused the injury (to John Burroughs).

- Pat Frascogna, Atty., for USAF Tech Sgt. (Ret.) John Burroughs

“By settling this case in full, the U. S. Dept. of Defense — because the V. A. is part of DoD — they confirmed that the UFO phenomenon is real.”

- John Burroughs, USAF Tech Sgt. (Ret.)

If you don’t know already, John Burroughs is one of the original witnesses to the Rendlesham Forest incident in December 1980. He is the only airman to have been a witness to the events of both the first night and the final night when Colonel Halt (the Deputy Base Commander) accompanied a group into the forest to investigate.

(For information on the actual UFO case I have covered Rendlesham in a LOT more detail in this thread.)

John had suffered with congestive heart failure in recent years and had to undergo corrective surgery in late 2013. In order to understand his condition better Burroughs doctors asked that his medical records were released by the military. He was first informed that there was no record of him being in the US Air Force between between 1979 and 1983.

After further appeals he discovered his medical records were actually “classified”. A long legal battle followed involving Senator John McCain amongst others and his attorney Pat Frascogna. In this time Burroughs discovered that buried within the British MoD’s report “Project Condign” there was a paragraph of deep significance to his case.

"The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon] radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods."

Commenting in his press release Burroughs says :

I received lifesaving heart surgery to replace a badly shredded anterior mitral valve caused by the UAP radiation, and a settlement from the DOD and VA admitting I was injured in the line of duty in December of 1980.

Whether that really is admittance by the United States of the reality of the UFO phenomenon is open to interpretation. But it is certainly a most interesting development.





The full press release reads :

FOR RELEASE ON:

February 22, 2015

U.S. Government’s De Facto Acknowledgement of the Existence of UFOs



PHOENIX, AZ --- The United States Government has, for the first time ever, acknowledged by de facto the long-suspected reality of the UFO phenomenon. John Burroughs encountered a craft of unknown origin in England’s Rendlesham Forest in December of 1980 and
suffered injury there from for which the Veterans Administration has now recognized by granting him full medical disability. The December 1980 Rendlesham Forest incident in the United Kingdom is arguably the most well documented and important UFO encounter in history.

A UFO was seen over three consecutive nights by United States Air Force personnel stationed at the twin bases of Bentwaters and Woodbridge, near Ipswich, England --- then the largest NATO air force bases at the height of the Cold War.

The UFO was tracked on radar and physical evidence was found at a site where the UFO was seen to land, including indentations in the frozen ground, scorch marks on the sides on the trees, and radiation levels subsequently assessed by the UK Ministry of Defense as "significantly higher than the average background".

Airman First Class John Burroughs encountered the UFO at close proximity on the first night. While for many years the U.S. Government denied that this incident had even occurred, in 2006 the UK Government declassified an intelligence study on UFOs (codenamed Project
Condign and classified as Secret UK Eyes Only) in which the following statement is found:

The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon] radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods.

John Burroughs was one of those observers who was exposed to UAP radiation in the Rendlesham Forest in December 1980. However, despite having been exposed to UAP radiation as postulated by the UK’s own intelligence report, the U.S. Government stonewalled John, his attorney, and two United States senators for years. Now, after decades of persistence, the U.S. Government has finally acknowledged that John Burroughs suffered adverse health effects in the Rendlesham Forest and, therefore, has recognized the link between his health problems and the UFO he encountered. In an interesting twist, John’s complete medical records file from that time
he served in England remains classified. In regard to the VA’s action on his case, John said:

In January of 2015, after years of exhaustive efforts the VA settled, in full, with me. I needed someone to champion my cause, someone not afraid to put themselves at risk to help me. I was lucky. I found two to champion my cause, my attorney Pat Frascogna, and Senator John McCain and his staff. Through their efforts, I received lifesaving heart surgery to replace a badly shredded anterior mitral valve caused by the UAP radiation, and a settlement from the DOD and VA admitting I was injured in the line of duty in December of 1980.

Contact Information: Pat Frascogna, Tel: 601.672.9058, Email: [email protected]

Further information : www.earthfiles.com...

According to John Burroughs' attorney, the VA has finally implied that the UFO phenomenon is real by acknowledging he was injured in the line of duty? Not really a clear path from point A to point B.

Sounds more like the typical VA waiting period for treatment. He's truly lucky he didn't die before being granted the surgery.

a reply to: Anaana

I know it may sound dismissive but, in the case, I don't think the lights themselves are that important....

Maybe, maybe not. The fact that all the main 1st night witnesses mention red and blue lights in the forest is actually one of the few points that they all seem to agree on. On the 'inbetween' little mentioned 2nd night a female officer reported a blue light flying through her patrol vehicle and it stalling (check out Bonnie Tamplin's story). This is odd because stars and lighthouse do not generally produce red or blue lights.

there is nothing to indicate that there was a recent history of activity that could be deemed suspicious. It is odd behaviour for a military facility wouldn't you say?

It's not quite true as there was a case witnessed by Lori Rehfeldt in Feb of 1980. She has remained somewhat in the background. I wish her case was given more prominence. Also an officer called Randy Smith has his own story of seeing triangular craft. And Steve La Plume's Story story from mid January 1981 is also rather peculiar.

...(Incidently, we think Agt Burroughs is the anonymous airman who gave the interesting account to the press of seeing little silver men....

I'm doing this all from memory but Larry Warren is known as the man who broke the Rendlesham story as the 'whistleblower' and you can view this excerpt from his book here.

I am fairly sure that Warzinski is mistaken in that release.

There is also this documentary which is possibly the earliest one made on Rendlesham in English.



I'm sure that's enough to be going on with for now. I've highlighted a few links for you but please do your own digging.

originally posted by: Guest101

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Guest101

Thanks for that information and plasma physics is not something I have any level of expertise in. So when you say

It takes x-rays to damage heart valves, and there is ample evidence that x-rays were an integral part of the Rendlesham mystery.

Would you care to elaborate?

Hi Mirageman,

Well, residual radiation was explicitely mentioned in Halt's memo, and on his tape they are constantly carrying and using a Geiger counter. When they approach the landing site (I think it is Battram's site, not the site of the first night), Halt seems to be concerned about the radiation levels and their safety. When - later on the tape - the object approaches, Halt immediately asks Nevels for a Geiger counter reading.

On top of that there is the fogged film of Nevels.

Concerning the relation to valve damage I refer to my earlier post (on the bottom of page 9)

Also relevant to this topic is the analysis of soil samples taken from the alleged landing site, as published in Left At East Gate:

The affected soil had higher degrees of silicate or glass globules, indicating that the sand had been fused to form these tiny glass beads.
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The landing site showed no microbial growth of any kind. Only two things can account for this sort of discrepancy: A sterilizing agent such as gamma radiation or intensely applied heat.

From Paul R. Hill’s ‘Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis’ :

I conclude that UFOs radiate between 25 electron volts, which is the bottom of the X-ray band, and 3 million electron volts, which is in the lower end of the gamma ray spectrum.
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X-rays would also penetrate a few inches of soil, giving up their energy to plant-root depths. Soil being a thermal isolator, the heat would escape slowly and the temperature would build up with time.

a reply to: Guest101

Hello there my friend. Those soil samples are certainly interesting. Weren't these taken from Capel Green circa 1987 when there was still a very discoloured looking area of grass? And Halt's team supposedly took samples from the area when they were investigating a supposed landing site. They were never heard of again.

Not read Paul R.Hill's theories to be honest. Although when he's talking about 'UFOs' what exactly is he implying?