"US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real"

originally posted by: DelMarvel
Well, I just spent some more time unsuccessfully looking for anything from the VA about this and I've come to this conclusion:

There has to be paperwork that Burroughs got in connection with his settlement. It's the federal government after all. And whatever paperwork he got doesn't support his interpretation of the settlement or he and his lawyer would have published it along with the press release.

I don't think the VA will make any comment other than to perhaps confirm that John Burroughs case has been settled. Surely the legal position would forbid them from making any comments on Burroughs medical condition.

Another thing, perhaps significant, is that nuclear weapons were known to be stored on the twin bases during the Cold War. Even to this day Nick Pope, Col. Halt, Jim Penniston and Burroughs will not confirm this was the case (still being 'company men'). So that adds another reason why there may be so much secrecy concerning this case.

Intersting but this says Nothing.

All it says is that the fellow was injured by "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon", not UFO's UAP's could be many things all of which can be terrestrial.

a reply to: mirageman

Meteorite shower in my cities
for couples of days
here is the news
and link
can you help me to make a topic !!!!!!!
link:
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so how is this all going to get released to the general public so everyone can be made aware? as we know the media is controlled by fat over paid idiots.

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
So here are our choices:

1. People believe in things they never believed in before due to mind control

2. People believe in things they never believed in before because there are certain subjects the MSM won't talk about, and with the advent of the internet this information is finally coming to light and becoming more mainstream?

Why are those your only two choices? Why dont you find it suspicious that he changed his story repeatedly and added in New Age crap?

originally posted by: JohnPhoenix
Intersting but this says Nothing.

All it says is that the fellow was injured by "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon", not UFO's UAP's could be many things all of which can be terrestrial.

It doesn't even say that.

According to the press release the declassified U.K. report reads "it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon] radiation

a reply to: mirageman

Each of the Fawn Grove, three triangular shaped pod marks appeared to have ground indentations of about 3/4" --- And in the center of each pod mark was a hole 3/4" in diameter x 3/4" deep.

I believe the Aegis newspaper mentioned low radioactive Geiger counter readings at the landing site.

I did not explore the apple orchard for any signs of ET evidence, but I believe that the starship possibly landed there to gather apple tree specimens.

I'm speculating that the fresh water neutron shield is released onto the landing zone ---- after the two magnetic shields holding the fusion plasma are dropped --- thereby dousing the ground fire so it would not spread.

The bluish-white light is the foofighter's hi-power plasma phase [13,500 mph?] in an atmosphere. The fiery red-orange plasma phase is the landing phase [30mph?] --- which is also used to clear away brush and debris at the landing zone --- and having the electrified fusion plasma on hand for any defensive/offensive OP's.

I've seen both power phases of a foofighter that I witnessed one night in November, 1976 --- approx. 40 miles west of Washington D.C.


BTW...Thanks for posting MUFON's Fawn Grove/Gatchellville, Pennsylvannia incident report

Does the Rendlesham Forest incident have any evidence on the description of the landing pod marks?

All right. Finally found this.

Nevertheless, bottom line, last month, the VA informed Burroughs it was awarding him a full disability for his heart condition, which required life-saving surgery in 2013. The agency based its decision on 21 bulleted items. Among them was “Service Treatment Records, from February 1979 to April 1988,” the earliest of which Burroughs -- again -- has never been able to examine for himself. But this listed factor is the real eye-popper: “Duplicate documents regarding the Rendlesham Forest Incident, received May 2, 2014.”

So there IS paperwork from the VA. The Sarasota Herald-Tribune appears to know about it. Burroughs and Frascogna just didn't include that as part of of their press release.


Now this:

the “duplicate documents” referenced in the Veterans Affairs verdict is a formerly classified British Defence Intelligence Staff assessment of UFOs from 1997-2000. The Brits referred to those cases by the less incendiary acronym UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena). Known as Project Condign and released to the media in 2006, the study argued UFOs/UAP weren’t intelligently controlled vehicles but were, instead, the product of mysterious meteorological forces like plasmas that science can't explain. ....... Condign produced a section called “Potential Mental Effects on Humans” suggesting how UAP electrical fields might scramble the brain’s temporal lobe, manifesting into hallucinations or episodes of “missing time.”

And the FULL quote from the declassified U.K. report:

“The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods. There may be other cases which remain unreported. It is clear that the recipients of these effects are not aware that their behaviour/perception of what they are observing is being modified.”

So, the U.K. report is clearly NOT referring to ET craft or any kind of craft at all. It looks to me like the report is being selectively quoted out of context by at least some sources to support the ET hypothesis.

LINK.

Sorry but I think the whole rendelsham is more likey something like

Northrop Grumman is known to have patented a drone equipped with a helium-cooled nuclear reactor as long ago as 1986, and has previously worked on nuclear projects with the US air force research laboratory. Designs for nuclear-powered aircraft are known to go back as far as the 1950s.

source: www.theguardian.com...

Hmmm...I wonder what kind of energy source would emit that kind of radiation....Figure that out and we might have a shot at interstellar travel.

originally posted by: Ridhya

originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
So here are our choices:

1. People believe in things they never believed in before due to mind control

2. People believe in things they never believed in before because there are certain subjects the MSM won't talk about, and with the advent of the internet this information is finally coming to light and becoming more mainstream?

Why are those your only two choices? Why dont you find it suspicious that he changed his story repeatedly and added in New Age crap?

I only find it suspicious that you think "New Age" is crap, do you have any evidence to support that assertion?

If you are going to agree with Project Condign's report You'd better go see what you are agreeing with. I provided links in the first couple of pages.

Burroughs and Frascogna have created a little #-pile out of this and, of course, LMH is gleefully stomping around in it.

I'd look before stepping in it too.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE
Just countless years of experience. The New Age movement is a hideous corruption of eastern religions spewed out by racists and scam artists. Blavatsky is a good example of a racist, Drunvalo Melchizidek is a good example of a scammer.

These people just say anything that sounds esoteric and people fall for it, and subsequently pay huge sums of money to attend their "breathing exercises" and garbage like that.

All this is not to even mention the ridiculous ties of the New Age movement to the Intelligence apparatus. As I mentioned earlier in this thread Puharich (known CIA employee) manipulating Phyllis Schlemmer and Uri Geller among others, the First Earth Battalion of Men Who Stare At Goats fame, Lavey Aquino Crowley and Hubbard all had ties to the CIA and/or other departments (such as the NSA).

originally posted by: JohnPhoenix
Intersting but this says Nothing.

All it says is that the fellow was injured by "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon", not UFO's UAP's could be many things all of which can be terrestrial.

I'm afraid you've fell for the trap in the headline.

The person responsible for conducting the research for the Condign Report used the term UAP. Probably to avoid using the more widely known term of UFO.

UAP means essentially the same thing as UFO (i.e Unidentified Flying Object) and could be many things all of which are not necessarily terrestrial.

In this case no one has mentioned anything 'extra-terrestrial' but the implication is obvious because many people associate UFO as meaning alien spacecraft. It does not.

a reply to: Ridhya

Yes, sure, and none of those issues exist in any "regular religions", the thousands of pedophiles in the Catholic church at least don't scam people, no politicians are corrupt, no corporations scam/cheat/kill people, out and out cults at least are more honest about scamming people........

I think most people are attracted to "New Age" because they realize the "Old Age" religions, political systems, and economic models are terribly flawed. And you want to tarnish the whole movement because of a few bad apples? I'll take New Age over Old Age any day. The intentions of most are pure, unlike the ones running "Old Age".

However, this is getting way off topic, and out of respect for MirageMan and his excellent thread, we should get back on topic. However, if you are interested, I would be happy to debate you in a "New Age" vs "Old Age" thread, but I wouldn't have any time to get into it until next weekend, around March 8.

originally posted by: Sakrateri
Sorry but I think the whole rendelsham is more likey something like

Northrop Grumman is known to have patented a drone equipped with a helium-cooled nuclear reactor as long ago as 1986, and has previously worked on nuclear projects with the US air force research laboratory. Designs for nuclear-powered aircraft are known to go back as far as the 1950s.

source: www.theguardian.com...

So are you saying this?

During Christmas Night/Boxing Day 1980 the United States Air Force decided to test a top secret nuclear craft over the United Kingdom. It accidentally (or purposely) landed a couple of miles from a major USAF base in a forest in Suffolk, England. It then flew off again but returned a couple of nights later to fly above and through the forest again. All of this was kept secret from the Deputy Base Commander and his airmen and instead a UFO story, that has prevailed for 35 years, was allowed to build to ensure the story of a secret nuclear aircraft remained concealed for all this time.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Pirvonen

a reply to: data5091

It is important to not confuse any of this statement with confirmation of an extra-terrestrial presence on earth. As far as the DoD are concerned I have not seen any statement by them. Burroughs is confirming that the DoD accept something happened to him whilst serving his country.

However the UAP could well be a 'natural phenomenon' that is is still not understood and affects human beings.

I disagree.
This particular event cannot be a natural phenomenon. There is no scientific basis or model that could even begin to acknowledge that a physical object of obvious manufacture and design having attributes of a vehicle which was described as having cognitive motive force and a high degree of radioactive material being emitted from it which affected plant life and the ground where it landed, could be anything except a created and designed craft which is far beyond the capabilities of current world sciences.

Nope, not natural and to say that it can be is evidence of some kind of cognitive dissonance. No disrespect meant to you though.

a reply to: DelMarvel

So, the U.K. report is clearly NOT referring to ET craft or any kind of craft at all. It looks to me like the report is being selectively quoted out of context by at least some sources to support the ET hypothesis.

Yes - nail hit accurately and firmly on the head there.

In the case of Condign it isn't referring to anything ET. The report concludes that an ET origin is “very unlikely,” and : “Defence intelligence interests will not [be] furthered by continued investigations which focus on potential extra-terrestrial sources.”

It basically considers that UAPs (read that as UFOs) are :

....mis-reporting of man-made vehicles; natural but not unusual phenomena, and natural but relatively rare and not completely understood phenomena....

The DIST memo dated December 4th, 2000, explaining the Condign Report dismisses any threat and states no further investigations are intended.



However it does state

....Finally, DG(R&T) will be interested in those phenomena associated with plasma formations which have potential applications to novel weapon technology.

So despite not investigating the UK MoD could still be interested in weapons technology gleaned from studying UAPs.

This memo also states:

.....The DIS has received copies of UAP sighting reports from Sec(AS) for about 30 years. Until recently these have been filed with only a cursory look at the contents by DI55 to discover whether anything of intelligence value could be determined However, it was obvious that any value from the sighting data could only be derived by carrying out a study of a significant sample of the reports. Consequently, over the past 2 years D155, under low priority tasking, has compiled a database of information taken from reports received between 1987 and 1997, and has carried out an analysis based on data statistics.

It seems that the actual analysis carried out for Condign was based on reports from 1987 - 1997 (starting 7 years after the Rendlesham incident occurred) despite the now often quoted reference :

....The well-reported Rendlesham Forest/Bentwaters event is an example where it might be postulated that several observers were probably exposed to UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon] radiation for longer than normal UAP sighting periods."

So it seems that no analysis was actually made on data from the Rendlesham case from 1980 and the statement above was literally 'guesswork'.

So where does this leave Burroughs press release?

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

You are quite entitled to disagree with me. That's what makes these debates interesting.

However the problem is that in the Rendlesham case I can not find any outright proof that "a physical object of obvious manufacture... emitting radioactive material" ever landed in the forest.

Although I'd be interested as to why you are convinced one did.

a reply to: mirageman

Inb4 debunkers claim it was a light house "a flying light house" to be exact

What I find interesting about this event was that the message was relayed to them from this craft was that "they are us"

Assuming "they" are humans from the distant future. Most fascinating , it seems the craft was unmanned and was AI. A probe of some sort ? As well as the binary code that was produced.

An era when these craft would case our nuclear arsenal at several military bases spanning the globe.

As for the DOD confirming the phenomenon Im somewhat shocked. But still as far as aliens go dont expect them to give the nod.

It could have been aliens piloting that "light house" for all we know.