"US DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real"

It’s always interesting to see the views and believes of others about what they think has happened there over those three nights.
I was also not there and have therefore no personal frame of reference by which to compare the experience(s) so I can only share my views and believes about it I have now.
Let me first say that I do definitely not believe in the possibility about what you said Springer in an earlier post to Kandinsky;

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: Kandinsky


2. The military black ops people were testing something, it went horribly wrong, or not, and they lied for 30+ years about it.

And the reason for why I think that has all to do with that I cannot imagine myself in any way that the military top brass from the US or but highly unlikely the UK would be so stupid to doing some creepy military black ops testing on the people on a base which had stored as it seems [never official confirmed of course] a pretty large nuclear arsenal on its grounds.
Which military/government leaders would take such a huge risk to let execute such creepy and for the people obviously unbelievable disturbing happenings on one of their bases which could go at the same time horribly wrong?
I simply cannot believe that.
So when I look at all the information I have read so far about this case and especially about what many witnesses claimed to have seen happening and experienced it looks pretty clear to me that it was not manufactured right here on Earth.
It’s interesting to note what Col. Halt as being one of the witnesses over there seems to have said;

"I believe the objects that I saw at close quarter were extraterrestrial in origin and that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted – both then and now – to subvert the significance of what occurred at Rendlesham Forest and RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation."

en.wikipedia.org...

Then another thing I think about, suppose it was indeed the US military black ops were testing “something”, why then did they not have used that really extraordinary and advanced technology they seem to have demonstrated over there in 1980 to crash all their enemies and become the real and only power on this planet.
But that obviously has not happened.

But those are just my views and believes and nothing more of course.

a reply to: spacevisitor

I didn't mean testing something on people, I meant testing technology to see if it works and something went wrong which inadvertently caused harm to people. Like any other industrial accident with injuries, they weren't intentional, that's why it's called an accident.

As to your questions about why America didn't use the technology I speculate about and "crash" their enemies in the time since, I'd say that based on what happened at Rendelsham it appears as though the technology didn't work so well.

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: spacevisitor

I didn't mean testing something on people, I meant testing technology to see if it works and something went wrong which inadvertently caused harm to people. Like any other industrial accident with injuries, they weren't intentional, that's why it's called an accident.

Right, well that’s clear enough for me Springer.

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: spacevisitor
As to your questions about why America didn't use the technology I speculate about and "crash" their enemies in the time since, I'd say that based on what happened at Rendelsham it appears as though the technology didn't work so well.

Oke, thanks for your reply and sharing your thoughts.

a reply to: spacevisitor

Hello spacevisitor. Nice to see our paths crossing again. (And did you ever get a hold of that Georgina Bruni video we discussed a long time ago before I forget?)

I think you make some very valid points. The most important one is why would the United Kingdom/United States be testing out something on Christmas Night and for 2 or 3 further nights (perhaps beyond that)? Add to that the political tensions in Poland at the time it all seems bad timing for an experiment.

I think had you asked my opinion of Rendlesham, perhaps 5 or 6 years ago, I would have said this was almost certainly something of non-human intelligence.

But having read the 3 main books on the topic, seen lots of opinion, dispute and speculation on the web, watched a number of videos and heard countless hours of radio shows from the witnesses and others I have come to consider that it might have been something else entirely.

This could be as simple as some form of "microwave" weapon being tested. If you saw my post earlier there was talk of the CND protesters at Greenham Common being blasted by non-ionising radiation.



Could something like this have been tested at Bentwaters and the men there exposed it to it inadvertently? There are other de-classified documents alluding to various esoteric experiments at air bases that can change human perceptions. The witnesses seem to all have very different stories and possibly one or more have been 'manipulated' . So I am being pulled in another direction at present.

But I would also say that there are still too many unanswered questions for me at present. Nothing is every easy and simple with Rendlesham. For instance Kit Green appears to have made 23 posts on ATS to date and yet you can only actually view one of them (it's in this very thread for anyone who doesn't believe me).



I'm sure Springer will explain but it sometimes pays to be observant!

a reply to: mirageman

The relation between UFO’s and non-ionizing EM fields does not surprise me.
NARCAP also published an investigation report.

So it might have been a nefarious experiment with EM fields, but a UFO is also known to emit these fields. In fact the EM-UFO connection is stronger than the X-ray-UFO connection.

I also wonder if a nefarious experiment would yield a fairly coherent timeline that almost entirely consists of statements and quotes of over a dozen involved people – quotes and statements that clearly paint a picture of encounters with UAP’s / UFO’s.

‘Kit’ Green’s editorial review of the recent book by Leslie Kean may also interest you:

"Leslie Kean’s astonishing book is the finest piece of investigative journalism ever written on this subject. She has an incomparable ability to ‘give voice’ to a constituency of exceptionally qualified and unbiased first-hand observers. They are not from the fringe, not groupies, and not delusional. Rather, they are high-level military, intelligence, aerospace, and government officials who speak with authority while providing reports that document actual, physical craft. Kean’s book represents the first important step toward a new U.S. government openness about UFOs. It brings forward a reality otherwise buried for far too long inside official mystery, and elevates the discourse above that of small-minded public discussions."
—Christopher C. Green, MD, Ph.D., Harper University Hospital, Wayne State University School of Medicine

a reply to: mirageman

And thus, erodes another promising thread on the UFO phenomenon.

As always, like clockwork, each promising thread starts off with a bang, with credible to ample evidence and then alternate suggestions sway readers into confusion and ultimately...doubt. It never fails, especially on an aptly named forum.

The truth is sought here but will most likely never be found. Stories are told but esoteric and exotic tales have a concrete ceiling.

At the end of the day, folks must remember the words of Victor Marchetti...

The purpose of the international conspiracy is to maintain a workable stability among the nations of the world and for them, in turn, to retain institutional control over their respective populations. Thus, for these governments to admit there are beings from outer space attempting to contact us, beings with mentalities and technological capabilities obviously far superior to ours, could, once fully perceived by the average person, erode the foundations of the Earth's traditional power structure. Political and legal systems, religions, economic and social institutions could all soon become meaningless in the mind of the public. The national oligarchical establishments, even civilization as we know it, could collapse into anarchy. Such extreme conclusions are not necessarily valid, but they probably accurately reflect the fears of the "ruling class" of the major nations, whose leaders (particularly those in the intelligence business) have always advocated excessive governmental secrecy as being necessary to preserve "national security." The real reason for such secrecy is, of course, to keep the public uninformed, misinformed, and, therefore, malleable.

a reply to: Guest101

Yes nothing is straightforward so it's always wise to keep an open mind. If there really was a UFO hanging around for 3 days in Suffolk where did it go during the daytime only to re-appear during darkness? Why have lightalls out there and then the Deputy Base Commander stomping around without ever really escalating the situation?

If it was something else then what was so important and so secretive to have to still be covered up to this day?

People like Mr Ridpath are often accused of being driven by a belief to form a conclusion. So I think it's necessary to consider everything until it can be ruled out for sure. Whether John Burroughs 'victory' will lead to more information remains to be seen.

a reply to: Jaellma

If you read the opening post and most of the thread then you'll already know that there is very little suggestion of anything other than a Rendlesham witness having implicated that the DoD have confirmed the UFO phenomenon is real. Which actually means very little. It's playing on public perceptions of what UFO means.

But if, as Victor Marchetti thinks, there is a massive global agreement by 200+ sovereign nations and has been for many decades then they are all doing a fine job covering up the existence of aliens.

a reply to: mirageman

I'm happy to explain it... There's no way I'd make Kit Green post 21 times to start a thread if he wanted to. I manually increased the post count for his ATS account the same way I almost always do for AMA guests who have never posted on ATS before.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: spacevisitor

Hello spacevisitor. Nice to see our paths crossing again. (And did you ever get a hold of that Georgina Bruni video we discussed a long time ago before I forget?)

Hello my friend mirageman, its indeed nice to see our paths crossing again.
I have not so much time to come here anymore as I earlier have done but I check ATS so now and then and when I see something of interest and I have the time I starting to follow it and when I feel the need I share some of my thoughts in the discussion.
And regarding your question about the Georgina Bruni video, how good of you to remember that, but no I have too badly not found it yet which really surprises me because I have posted the message in quite some facebook groups and assumed that there must be someone somewhere who has it in his or her possession, bust so far nothing.
And especially that video is in my view of great importance.

You said;

I think you make some very valid points. The most important one is why would the United Kingdom/United States be testing out something on Christmas Night and for 2 or 3 further nights (perhaps beyond that)? Add to that the political tensions in Poland at the time it all seems bad timing for an experiment.

That’s indeed my point also, that’s why I find it highly unlikely that such experiments were allowed to happen there and not to forget as I said earlier on a base which had stored as it seems [but never official confirmed] a pretty large nuclear arsenal on its grounds.
That could in my opinion have created some extremely dangerous situations.

You said;

I think had you asked my opinion of Rendlesham, perhaps 5 or 6 years ago, I would have said this was almost certainly something of non-human intelligence. But having read the 3 main books on the topic, seen lots of opinion, dispute and speculation on the web, watched a number of videos and heard countless hours of radio shows from the witnesses and others I have come to consider that it might have been something else entirely.

Well I also have read quite some information about it where under the book from Larry and Peter “Left At East Gate”, listened to a number of interviews and watched a number of videos and I still find the non-human intelligence hypothesis the most plausible one.
But the immediately confiscation of almost all the evidence and the well-practiced methods of disinformation and the ruthless methods of interrogation and most likely the ruthless methods of threatening has made it very difficult to still be able to separate the chaff from the wheat and to ever find out what really happened there.

Here is another thing;
Col Halt was in my opinion absolutely right when he said;

that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted – both then and now – to subvert the significance of what occurred at Rendlesham Forest and RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation.

But, I have to say because of what I have seen happening over the years that I believe that he is not free of doing such things himself also but then towards Larry Warren and his experience.

You said;

This could be as simple as some form of "microwave" weapon being tested. If you saw my post earlier there was talk of the CND protesters at Greenham Common being blasted by non-ionising radiation. Could something like this have been tested at Bentwaters and the men there exposed it to it inadvertently? There are other de-classified documents alluding to various esoteric experiments at air bases that can change human perceptions. The witnesses seem to all have very different stories and possibly one or more have been 'manipulated' . So I am being pulled in another direction at present.

There are quite a number of reasons for why I find it highly unlikely that such experiments were used in Rendlesham.
One reason but a major one in my opinion is what you also said earlier “Why would the United Kingdom/United States be testing out” enz because that would have been no doubt a very bad timing indeed, because as was written in the book “Left At East Gate”;

The base was on alert at that time, as the Soviet Union was on the brink of moving armored units into Poland to stop the new Solidarity movement and the general unrest it had sparked.
NATO forces were ready to respond if the Red Army crossed the line. Most of our A-10 tank Busters had already left for forward operating locations in West Germany the previous week; very few aircraft remained at Bentwaters. This was a tense time in Europe, although we didn't feel war was imminent.

You said;

But I would also say that there are still too many unanswered questions for me at present. Nothing is every easy and simple with Rendlesham.

I can only fully agree with that.
I personally believe that we will never ever become to know about what really happened there but that doesn’t mean that we can’t therefore try to find as much pieces of this huge puzzle as possible.

Cheers my friend.

From that timeline:

Early in the morning of Dec 27, John Burroughs waked up with a funny feeling. Even though he is off duty, he goes back to RAF Bentwaters to ask Desk Sergeant O’Brien if something has happened that night. O'Brien tells Burroughs that D Flight’s Shift Commander, Lt. Bonnie Tamplin, had been relieved of her duty because a light entered her vehicle in the forest causing Lt. Tamplin to panic and cry during her radio communications. She was ‘freaked out’ by beams of light that lit up her vehicle and blue lights that passed through her vehicle and caused her vehicle to shut down. They also lost radio contact with her for over 10 min. [Burroughs, forum of rendlesham incident site]

Anyone interview Tamplin?

For those interested, regarding the condition on the Bentwaters base during the events, here are two photos posted by Larry Warren on his Facebook timeline that shows that the base was definitely in an Alert situation.

a reply to: KitGreen

He had injuries we now understand are related to narrow RF bandwidths

Broad-band Non Ionizing Electromagnetic Radiation caused the injuries.

Which one is it?

Thanks in advance,

a reply to: Springer

I had sort of guessed that and thanks for letting Kit comment on here and adding another little piece of the puzzle. I think John Burroughs appreciated it a lot as well.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Anyone interview Tamplin?

That is a very good question but as far as I know no one ever has. In fact the 2nd night (26th/27th) is the least known about. Even Colonel Halt really didn't know too much about until recent years. We know Bonny Tamplin went off base and became totally distraught by her patrol vehicle stalling and a strange blue ball of light flying through the windscreen. Apparently she was calling for her superior office MSgt. Robert Ball in a state of distress. There were rumours she may have lost a loaded weapon whilst out there. She was relieved of duty and sent home and as far as I recall I don't think anyone really tried to track her down and she remains silent. Find out what really went down on that second night and it may lead to a clearer understanding of what Rendlesham was all about.

Having said that a number of other witnesses like Bruce Englund who was with Halt have remained totally silent too.

a reply to: spacevisitor

Hello again spacevisitor. That Bruni video continues to elude me as well. I am beginning to think we may never track it down.

Glad to see you still have an interest in this great mystery and maybe one day you will be proved correct with your thoughts. I think we have to keep digging away and keep our minds open to what ever this phenomena was as you say.

Of course one of the stumbling blocks is the constant problems between the four main witnesses. In some ways I have found this quite entertaining to follow each others reactions. But I also understand that they are human beings, just like all of us. Whatever happened it was life changing for them all.

Colonel Halt was a seasoned military officer and never wanted to be associated with any of this. He thus holds a long running grudge against Larry Warren. And it is highly probable that being a" UFO Colonel", probably dampened his career prospects for good. Jim and John both have their own different perceptions of what went on but their lives have also been deeply affected as well. John Burroughs almost lost his life. That is how serious things were. Whilst Jim Penniston seems very, very deeply confused by the whole affair . Of course all three have dismissed Larry's story down the years and even tried to totally discredit him through some less than savoury methods.

Yet Larry Warren, at least to me, seems to be a guy with a very strong sense of justice. He's a straight talking New Yorker, who wanted this all out in the open so the truth would be known. I bet he never guessed that he'd still be waiting 35 years later. But Larry is the guy we all have to thank for that headline "UFO Lands in Suffolk and That's Official".

Time is the fire in which all burn and the years are passing by. If these guys won't try to work it all out together then none of them, and none of us, may ever know what happened.

That's about all I've got to say on this case for the moment unless something interesting comes up again.

So kind regards to you my friend from across the North Sea - nice to hear from you again Spacevisitor.

The uncontrolled testing of microwave weapons in the middle of the forest for three consecutive nights just sounds highly unlikely to me. They wood test these in a controlled situation, not just place out in a first and lure innocent unsuspecting airmen to out for three nights to see what happens. If anything, it would be in a highly controlled situation, secretly on test subjects. It also make little sense to me that these are most likely directed weapons, that would have to be manned and focused on a mass of people, not just running haywire emitting energy in all directions attracting attention from long distances. none of these protesters said anything about seeing any such disturbances and light energy.

These are just a few initial thoughts. On top of that what do these weapons look like? How would it land and take off? We did not have anything like remote controlled drones at that time, especially small triangular ones that can lift off vertically with no noise. Not only that, what about Halt and his team's account of a flying object shooting "lasers" at alleged secret nuclear bunkers? I think these explanations that are shoehorned into the discussion.

One thing that it's now confirmed, is that it wasn't a lighthouse. Those skeptics should be embarrassed they even presented this explanation in the face of such credible witnesses. I honestly think they don't take this a serious as the witnesses/victims and see this as a game. Nothing more than keyboard commandos.

I commend Burroughs for his persistence, he is a true fighter. I'm sure the military would rather have him die at a much earlier point. This a true victory that lends some creedence at something truly unexplained happened.

I'm typing this laying in a hospital bed at 2:45 am recovering from heart surgery myself. So to John Burroughs, I'm glad you are alive and fighting for the truth. Same for Larry Warren, who I always respected and everyone else involved whether binary choose our not something happened to these soldiers.

I am overdue on an assignment and if I don't get my arse in gear I am somewhat buggered, just popping in to keep up to date with the discussion, which is proving very interesting. As a general disclaimer because right now I do not have the time to reply in detail, to spacevisitor in particular, I am interested in learning here, I may be rubbing some of you up the wrong way, but that is on the basis that I am attempting to learn from your informed opinions, not ridicule any one or any aspect of this case, it is therefore my general ignorance that I put down to the irritation that I may or may not be generating, that and possibly my annoying personality, there is less that I can do about that, or want to do about that if I am honest about it...anyhoo...for that purpose, I am enjoying the conversation between spacevisitor and mirageman, most illuminating, thanks. I hope to get back to this once my head is back above water.

originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: KitGreen

He had injuries we now understand are related to narrow RF bandwidths

Broad-band Non Ionizing Electromagnetic Radiation caused the injuries.

Which one is it?

Indeed! Excellent question.