President informed that Obamacare may not be affordable

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: six67seven

We are not screwed. It is an individuals choice as to their own health. Take a holistic approach to your well being and heal thyself. Westerners have handed all control over to corporations and their government puppets, even their own diet.

The internet is full of examples of the benefits that come from healthy diet and healthy thinking, and is also filled with frightened, out of control people that lay the blame of their decaying minds and bodies into the laps of people that could care less for you and more about what is in your pocket.

The only change this country will benefit from is when people start taking their lives into their own hands.

yeah, it was my choice to get hit by a car at 16, spend 2 1/2 years over the next 5 years as an inpatient with 41 surgeries, end up with a fused hip, hep c from transfusions in the early 80's, 3 blown disks in back, urethral reconstruction due to having shoddy catheters shoved up my # so much, my top jaw reconstructed, nerve damage in left arm and leg and 3rd deg burns on 30% of lower extremities from being wedged under the exhaust. Let alone 1000's of follow up visits and 'procedures' in office.

I guess if I would have "chose" to be healthy things would have been different. Its my fault.....

I feel sorry for you if your unicorns and rainbows ever get ripped away at no fault of your own.

But...But...But...

Obama said...

President Obama repeatedly promised that his signature health law, the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, would reduce insurance premiums by $2,500 for the typical family. Instead, premiums have increased by a comparable amount.

"Obama Promises To Lower Health Insurance Premiums by $2,500 Per Year "

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah, isn't it great!

Before Obamacare, everyone was paying prices unheard of anywhere else in the world for routine healthcare.
During Obamacare, everyone was paying prices unheard of anywhere else in the world for routine healthcare.
After Obamacare?

a reply to: neo96

of course. the economy is a grand ponzi scheme. The dollar rots in the bank.

a reply to: DrJunk

" After Obamacare? "

Total bankruptcy !!!

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Yes! 'If it's true", which it's not.

For those that are obviously IGNORING reality:

1. any of various systems to provide the entire population with complete medical care through government subsidization and regularization of medical and health services.

dictionary.reference.com...

That covers medicaid,medicare, and the 'affordable' Care Act.

It is those HIGHER premiums people are paying that is paying for that 'free' healthcare of the 'less fortunate'.

originally posted by: neo96
For those that are obviously IGNORING reality:

1. any of various systems to provide the entire population with complete medical care through government subsidization and regularization of medical and health services.

dictionary.reference.com...

That covers medicaid,medicare, and the 'affordable' Care Act.

It is those HIGHER premiums people are paying that is paying for that 'free' healthcare of the 'less fortunate'.

The government isn't providing service, it is brokering it.

HUGE difference.

a reply to: DrJunk

Yeah it is providing a 'service', and has corned the GD market.

And to pay for that 'service' it creates more asinine taxes, and more control to kill off the competition. The private sector.

Hell they have a GD monopoly on it.

President informed that Obamacare may not be affordable

He made this a cornerstone of his presidency.
He had to already know it isn't affordable and it's unsustainable.

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric
a reply to: peskyhumans
Just a bit off topic.

My husband's employer provides insurance and it covers the entire family. How is the ACA going to effect the coverage?

This may be a stupid question and I apologize in advance.

I seem to recall them delaying the employer mandate for a year or two correct? So, does anyone really know what's going to happen to those already insured through employers?

Greetings- I'm a medically retired cop from Ca. w/a broken back/neck. Part of My retirement settlement was Health Insurance. I now get the honor of having to pay $1207/month for Me, Wife and son. My Wife works at a rehab center as a Medical Records Director..

Your Mileage May Vary.. But think like this... Your kid asks for $$ and You pull out Your purse and start handing over bill$, do You stop before Your kid does? Now imagine the Insurance Company as the kid w/their hand out...

The Banksters turn at 'The Trough' was 2008 and once they had their 5 years it was the Insurance Corp™ and BigPHarma™ ALWAYS has their hands (plural) out in full extension..

And here's more wonderful news:

www.foxnews.com...

ObamaCare fines rising in 2015, IRS prepares to collect

The individual requirement to buy health insurance went into effect earlier this year. But this coming tax season is the first time all taxpayers will have to report to the IRS whether they had health insurance for the prior year.

The fines for the 2014 year were relatively modest -- $95 per person or 1 percent of household income (above the threshold for filing taxes), whichever is more.

But insurance scofflaws face a sharp increase if they don't get covered soon. The fine will jump in 2015 to $325 or 2 percent of income, whichever is higher. By 2016, the average fine will be about $1,100, based on government figures.

We all knew it was coming.

a reply to: StoutBroux

So what happens when enough people decide that bullets are cheaper than the fines? I mean people thought that there were riots in Ferguson. I predict that those will fondly recalled as picnics.

I wonder why a health-insurance provider in the fabled Market Place has not gone ahead and gotten some of the sucker public to buy their product offered at say $400. month premium.....

And the Market Place provider simply enrolled the person into a Medicaid sponsored program which is based on the persons income/assets and runs about $104.90 per month as does my Medicare for the retired people.

would this be called Fraud or just exceptional business-sense...

all these high priced health insurance policies should be very near the Gov't existing premium of Today's Medicare~ which covers all the BS that the ACA/Øbamacare monster of excessive, PC requirements

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: DrJunk

Yeah it is providing a 'service', and has corned the GD market.

And to pay for that 'service' it creates more asinine taxes, and more control to kill off the competition. The private sector.

Hell they have a GD monopoly on it.

You have a seriously flawed understanding of how the government works if you believe this to be the case.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about, and neither are you.

a reply to: StoutBroux

What?!? FOX 'News' is reporting that something Obama did is bad? What a shocker!

Time came for big business to answer for it's greed. That time was when the AFA was introduced.

Years ago. YEARS ago.

but it was never obamacare or the afa after it was introduced.

it was a great idea which turned to # the first day when tea party republicans gutted the potential. From that dripping carcass came the bucket of bloody potential mixed with pieces of turd from every republican who said

"no"
and we said
"why?"
and they said
"because i shouldn't be forced to buy anything"

Well.. the insurance companies who actually had to give away some of their pocket change throughout this still have just as much money as they lost from interest alone. The greedy system never stumbled. Repeal the AFA. Everybody has forgotten the point.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: American-philosopher

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You left out part of the quote. This is the full quote. "But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy." Also seeing how the ACA was debated on for over a year before it passed we already knew what was in it.

I don't think that's true. how many pages was this bill? I mean were just finding out now if this was intended to be a tax or a fine and the definitions of that. In no way was this bill clear and succinct. and then you have the out right lies about the law by some people. (cough Obama)

originally posted by: peskyhumans


My fellow Americans, welcome to socialized medicine.

That is not "socialized medicine". If our medical industry were socialized/nationalized, we would be catching up to the rest of the 1st world.

What we have now is "enforced capitalism". It's the opposite of socialism. It is the worst kind of capitalism. Huge difference.

Hopefully, this will serve as a moment in American history where the ACA simply tore off the band aide and exposed the corruption of our medical system in order for us to eventually nationalize it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

President informed that Obamacare may not be affordable

He made this a cornerstone of his presidency.
He had to already know it isn't affordable and it's unsustainable.

Gruber agrees!

“The problem is it starts to go hand in hand with the mandate; you can’t mandate insurance that’s not affordable. This is going to be a major issue,”

“So what’s different this time? Why are we closer than we’ve ever been before? Because there are no cost controls in these proposals. Because this bill’s about coverage. Which is good! Why should we hold 48 million uninsured people hostage to the fact that we don’t yet know how to control costs in a politically acceptable way? Let’s get the people covered and then let’s do cost control.”

“The real substance of cost control is all about a single thing: telling patients they can’t have something they want. It’s about telling patients, ‘That surgery doesn’t do any good, so if you want it you have to pay the full cost.’”

“There’s no reason the American health care system can’t be, ‘You can have whatever you want, you just have to pay for it.’ That’s what we do in other walks of life. We don’t say everyone has to have a large screen TV. If you want a large screen TV, you have to pay for it. Basically the notion would be to move to a level where everyone has a solid basic insurance level of coverage. Above that people pay on their own, without tax-subsidized dollars, to buy a higher level of coverage.”

Obama adviser Gruber admitted ObamaCare might not be affordable