President informed that Obamacare may not be affordable

Same as with the UK GGovernment, its money wasted that takes away from a budget for the health of all a country's citizens, which should be a top table priority - never mind the code of independence - health care by insurance means that insurance companies can cut their donations via their get-out-of-paying ya clauses that every insurance policty has.

Less money on war mungering and interfering by bribery in other countries and the money is available for the people why earn it in the first place. Hope this value sinks in on both sides of the pond as the priorities our puppet politicians all demonstrate are not a true reflection of the countrys' they represent.

I saw the title of the thread and my first thought was : "Well, no s##t Sherlock". Too bad Obama is never gonna admit it was a disaster from the start.

My wife's premiums went up from .01 a month to
$85.60 a month. That's quite a bit more than an 18 percent increase. a reply to: HUMBLEONE

originally posted by: Parthin
So get rid of the one thing covered that no one can pay for themselves? What's the point of it then? Anyone
who works can pony up enough to see an MD if they have to. Without hospital coverage it's worse than useless. a reply to: peskyhumans

This is not true.

Anyone who is healthy can come up with the $100 to $250+ to see a doctor for 5 minutes and have him/her tell you that everything is okay.

Now if someone has any complications then the bill will go up quick, more than pretty much anyone who pulls in average wages can afford. Health insurance is extremely expensive, almost like another mortgage or rent due every month. Too add insult to injury, health insurance does not cover a lot of procedures and someone can pay for health insurance for years, get in an accident and still end up owing the hospital 6 figures for treatment.

The system is broken, ObamaCare obviously has done little to fix it.

Health Care for profit is the problem. Socialized medicine is the most practical approach in an advanced society.

One major problem is so many hear socialism and automatically think it is a bad thing, hell on this thread we can not even agree on the definition of socialism and it seems many are confusing it to the fascist style of government that seems to have infected the USA.

In the past 10 years I've spent around $200 for medical care at our no appointment necessary clinic and the pharmacy. Obama wants me to spend that every month. That would break me.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Socialism is not stealing, it is the willingness to give for the greater good

PLEASE!!! It IS stealing when it is forced upon you against your will. There is now willingness to give...it is a willingness by the government/liberals to take from those unwilling, and THEN give.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Communism is what is really needed end the materialism that divides humanity once and for all.

You have a point...but not a solution. Communism is not the solution, just another form of jail cell. However...I'm sure us here at ATS could easily come up with a solution that doesn't bind the people.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Obviously the idea of a country of people that agree with socialism is beyond you.

It can't be stealing if you are willing.

originally posted by: elfrog
My wife's premiums went up from .01 a month to
$85.60 a month. That's quite a bit more than an 18 percent increase. a reply to: HUMBLEONE

My wife's insurance from her work was deemed not good enough. The company was forced to drop it and had to get something Obama approves of. It cost the company more. Last years raises were far less than the usual...far below a cost-of-living raise. Tell me that doesn't hurt my family (no...not directed at you).

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
PLEASE!!! It IS stealing when it is forced upon you against your will. There is now willingness to give...it is a willingness by the government/liberals to take from those unwilling, and THEN give.

Forced Socialism isn't going to work, because, like you said, when it is forced, people liken it to stealing.

When man finally realizes that there aren't shortages, and that we all can have everything we want, true socialism will emerge.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Obviously the idea of a country of people that agree with socialism is beyond you.

It can't be stealing if you are willing.

That is exactly what I said...I'm not willing and neither is the majority. Therefore...the people don't want it. What the heck point are you trying to make besides mine?

originally posted by: DrJunk

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
PLEASE!!! It IS stealing when it is forced upon you against your will. There is now willingness to give...it is a willingness by the government/liberals to take from those unwilling, and THEN give.

Forced Socialism isn't going to work, because, like you said, when it is forced, people liken it to stealing.

When man finally realizes that there aren't shortages, and that we all can have everything we want, true socialism will emerge.

OK...I'm stepping a bit out of my comfort zone so let me know if I'm missing something. Any society ruled by a government that by their power over the people, can control the people is a problem? Correct? Socialism is not a solution to the problem when you see the problem as human beings being corruptible and greedy. So long as the people are ruled by a group to which they don't belong...we will continue to have issues.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Yup. You're correct. Which is why Classism is eliminated in truly socialist society.

PS: Russia, China, Cuba & North Korea are examples of people ruled by a Socialist government. Are you inferring that those governments are good for the people?

a reply to: DrJunk

OK...socialist society...maybe. But again, unless every single person is on-board...it is still forcing some to do something against their will. And again...who will control who gets what? That power is far too much to give to any group. When you empower your government that far, you become a slave.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
PS: Russia, China, Cuba & North Korea are examples of people ruled by a Socialist government. Are you inferring that those governments are good for the people?

No they aren't.

www.diffen.com...

For your furthered education.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Communism and socialism is not the same thing buddy

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

You don't speak for anyone but your self.

There is plenty of countries that are heavily socializes and people have no issues with it.
America is to far gone with the ' I got mine, eff you get yours" attitude.

I gotta run but let me spit this out. In your household...lets say you win the lottery. Millions of dollars. You hire a household manager and allow them to make the rules, collect money from your winnings, hire people to enforce the rules, set your own salary and raise it, take control of every single aspect of your life, your health, your home. How can that ever end up a good thing? Not when a human is the manager because you will, eventually, become their servant/slave.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

You don't speak for anyone but your self.

There is plenty of countries that are heavily socializes and people have no issues with it.
America is to far gone with the ' I got mine, eff you get yours" attitude.

I don't agree. If I work for it...it is mine. I may decide to share, but that can't be the law. Anyway...fun chatting but gotta run.