The Sexodus: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society

It seems like a lot of this is by design. Both parents being forced to work full time just to pay the bills instead of a mother (or father) being able to raise their kids full time. And as a result functioning whole families are no longer a dime a dozen.

Divorces and separations since the 1980s have increased dramatically. Single parents and what not. Just troubling trends altogether. Although I do see positives coming from friends getting married and having kids but they are the minority and not the majority. Is it possible we threw out the soap with the bathwater?

originally posted by: Unity_99
Women are the wayshowers. They are here to cool your jets spirituality, ie introduce calm and love and out of red outs and anger, for earth is all a test.

1st, I'm not part of the mystical mammal crowd.

2nd, I've encountered plenty of women who drew me in just to hurt me. It seems a lot of women are looking for revenge on someone whom they cannot get to. It looks like I'll do.

I was bullied for a good part of my childhood by boys. I didn't become obsessed with revenge. I just wanted everyone to be friends. I was later able to unite the bullies and myself. I had a lot of girl "friends" as a result of bullying. I've been trying to include women in my mission, but they seem to feel like it's OK to manipulate and abuse me. My own mother was this way. She disowned me because I wouldn't play her game. I'm living with two of the nicest females I've met. However, I sometimes have to put on the riot gear for them as well. The youngest one is learning to deal with what seems an innate angst. The oldest one is on pills and therapy. This was initiated by her female boss because she was having trouble dealing with the manipulation and abuse from the women at work.

I don't want there to be a difference between the sexes. I want us all to live in peace and harmony. However, there does seem to be something, internal or external, keeping us against each other. I haven't had the same opportunity to see women as peace bringers.

As far as reproduction goes, impregnating and becoming pregnant is as easy as going to the bathroom. It only takes a few minutes, and it fulfills natural urges. Unless we destroy our environment, there will always be more of us.

We've gone too YING nad we need more YANG.

a reply to: Indigent

From my standpoint, I agree we are heading to a precipice. Rape is wrong, objectification is wrong. That doesn't excuse the modern woman's hypocritical superiority complex. Women have innate strengths and weaknesses and so do men. This has absolutely nothing to do with the off-putting snide attitude modern American women display. Yes, they mostly are American.
In their push to be considered equals, they forgot golden rule.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
I don't consider myself a feminist in the typical sense of it...I like a chivalrous man, but society has had millennium of men marrying 14 yr olds, having multiple wives, having mistresses, using women in intrigues( check out "The Other Boleyn Girl) burning their wives in the kitchen, and other atrocities.....
Surprised women are looking for payback?

The sad thing about it, is that most women who want ''revenge'' against men, come from western ''civilized'' societies and have never experienced any of those things your taking about.
It's like me wanting to take revenge, against the military of my own country just because in some other region, they have military dictatorship and citizens are been oppressed.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Zaanny
Women are bat $hit crazy....

PERIOD

I don't consider myself a feminist in the typical sense of it...I like a chivalrous man, but society has had millennium of men marrying 14 yr olds, having multiple wives, having mistresses, using women in intrigues( check out "The Other Boleyn Girl) burning their wives in the kitchen, and other atrocities.....
Surprised women are looking for payback?

Lets see if you still feel like getting payback was a good idea when the future versions of the men in the article decide to get some payback of their own and order their Kate Upton fem-bots to kill all the feminists! You just know they are going to have Ninja skills as part of their programming and be outfitted in a school girl uniform with a samurai sword. The scary part is this will probably be a reality one day... not the killing of feminists of course but the rest.

Nietzchse said "God is dead." And everyone pooped a batch of kittens. Oh the blasphemy!

But he went on to say that each individual should take it upon themselves to evolve into the übermensch, the higher man. Not because a priest told them to, but of their own volition.

Back in the day men and women acted their roles because of societal pressures. All sorts of crazy stuff was going on behind closed doors, but everyone was careful that those doors stayed closed.

We have such freedoms in our society now because so many people have fought to tear down the walls of expectations that restrain us. But that puts the responsibility on the individual to do the right thing, not because society expects them to, but simply because it's the right thing.

Men should want to love a woman and protect and provide for her and the children they bear together. To support his family, not just financially, but emotionally. He should want to raise his children well and be an example of what a good man is. A woman should want to be loving and supportive of her man and they should all work together in harmony to keep a household running smoothly.

A real man should want this role because it is the right thing to do, not because society tells him to.

And if a guy chooses not to become a real man, and instead chooses to pout in a corner with a video game....well that's just good old fashioned Darwinism.

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

Why is it simply "the right thing to do" for a man to be the provider and the woman to be the supportive wife?

Why can't it be the woman who is the breadwinner, and the man the househusband?

Why should men and women slip into their respective traditional "roles"?

How is that progress?

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

Back in the day men and women acted their roles because of societal pressures. All sorts of crazy stuff was going on behind closed doors, but everyone was careful that those doors stayed closed.

Yep, back in the day men and women pretty much lived separate lives. They had their roles.

Lots of stuff was hid behind closed doors.

Losing gender roles is social evolution.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: SensiblyReckless
It would be funny if men went on strike for a while, forcing radical feminists to do all the hard manual labour jobs that men do.

I don't think it would be long before they admitted defeat.

I think you're wrong.

While I agree with him 100%.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: SensiblyReckless
It would be funny if men went on strike for a while, forcing radical feminists to do all the hard manual labour jobs that men do.

I don't think it would be long before they admitted defeat.

I think you're wrong.

While I agree with him 100%.

You agree that when women are faced with a challenge, they're gonna cave and call a man in to rescue them?

Is that what women did when men went off to war?

Number of persons in this thread using the sexist stereotype of male persons who play video games not being 'real men' and then going on to claim they are feminists or somehow some kind of special unique snow flake of maturity (or masculinity!) frankly makes me face palm for the whole human race. Is especially upsetting because I really respect some of you people!

If you're shaming people for playing video games and struggling socially then you probably haven't learned much about equality or feminism. If you're shaming people for not being 'real men' (or women) for not acting how you expect or having the right hobbies then not only are you certainly not a feminist, I kind of hope you're still in high school!

1. Men can make whatever life choices they like, it's not my freaking business! If they want to play video games all day, I don't freaking care! If they have unrealistic sexual partner desires, I still don't care! If they think they're the greatest alpha male because they go outside and doesn't afraid of anything, they're probably a knuckle dragging jerk but I still don't care. I have drawn a picture of how much this has to do with me:

... did you enjoy it?

2. Women can make whatever life choices they like, it's not my freaking business! Want a partner who buys hooj big houses and watches no pornography? Imma let you finish, but I don't care! Do they have some kind of bigoted opinion against people who play video games? Awesome, great, hope they find someone that doesn't but ... don't care! Do they have interesting opinions about how bitter men are being cleansed from the gene pool via an elaborate system of media, games, and 'not cutting it' ... oh that's right, still none of anyone's business, still don't care!

Why are people gloating about folks exiting the gene pool anyway? Why does everyone think their meta narrative based negative judgments of other people's life choices are 'okay'? Why are groups of persons rubbing peanut butter all over selves and gloating about groups of people who are afraid to go outside? It's really odd.

No offense to anyone, but if America is really full of people struggling to go outside and date then part of the solution is probably to say hiya and mentor those men / women / furries /otherkin / don't cares. If you have a partner, sister, brother, spouse, ninja, pet, or whatever with any of these kind of issues I hope you actually try to help them rather than go home and write poems about how awesome you are, or compose a thesis about the success of gender based Darwinism.

Sorry if anyone is offended by this. It's not aimed at anyone in particular, but it just blows my mind that I can read 15 pages of this stuff and not one person suggests like you know ... being helpful? Doing something? Mentoring someone? Not even a single nice story about someone improving or ... well anything really. Just seemed to be lots of judgment, gloating, oddly placed self importance, depression and distress.

Give yourself a hug ATS, you freaking need one!

a reply to: InTheLight

invented by men to serve men and degrade women.

Here is the inherent fallacy of the feminazi.

1) You do not speak for all women any more than I can speak for all men. You speak for one, and that is all.

2) Sexual attraction is subjective. Also, there is nothing inherently degrading about videotaping sex. Also, no one is forced to become a porn star--doing so is an individual choice.

Some women like porn, some do not. Your entire position can be summed up as "anything I like is feminist, anything I don't like is oppressing women."

You don't get to speak for all women. I think Jenna Jameson would karate chop you--she has made very logical arguments to support the porn industry.

originally posted by: Annee
You agree that when women are faced with a challenge, they're gonna cave and call a man in to rescue them?

Is that what women did when men went off to war?

That's exactly what women did, since they didn't join the men to war

a reply to: ScientificRailgun
Because it is fulfilling a man's instincts and purpose to be a provider
these rolls were not invented by man rather by nature where there is no right and wrong
The problem starts when we alter our environment, what took millions of years ,in a very short time men and women are expected to adapt

originally posted by: NthOther
I think it has less to do with "feminism" (as such), and speaks more to the unrealistic expectations of women today. They want their suburban mansion, picket fence, 2.5 kids, and (most importantly) the envy of their peers. And if they don't get it, they'll simply move on to the next mark.

This. For sure. My first wife fits this to a T. She has "traded up" a few times now, shes never satisfied.

Okay ATS, you got me.

After a long hiatus from this site I felt I had to comment. Been on the downturn of depression these past few days and randomly came by to look at stuff in the philosophy category. Saw this thread and it speaks to me.

Cutting through all the "man up sissy" comments from both men and women. As well as disregarding all the unnecessary feminism banter.

There are some really articulate posts about the actual subject, guys who are opting out. Kudos to the few of you who have made this an enlightening experience.

I'm a 29 year old white male. I have never had a girlfriend and I am still a virgin. I still live at home with my folks and I work nights as a cashier for a gas station. I am of average shape and descent looks. I have a car and pay all my own bills and do all my own chores. I still live at home because paying my parents rent is cheaper.

For me, a lot of this topic has missed a couple points. It has very little to do with feminism. Which by the way seems to consistently get grouped together with misandry. Which is of course unfortunate.

I am dominatly introverted. A lot of my day is spent inside my own head. Expressing my self to others (let alone someone I'm interested in) has never been easy.

My experiences with dating and having feelings for someone have never been good ones. In high school I was overweight, so understandably I was not sought after by the ladies. The few I did pursue had no interest back.

After high school when I got a job I lost a bunch of weight. Worked on me a little more. Feeling more confident I decided it would be okay to allow my self to pursue interest again.

It was here I realized (about 22 at this point) that my lack of experience at this age was more of a hindrance then my lack of confidence. I no longer had any female friends. After another failure I took up the stance once again to no longer allow my self interest.

Fast forward to 25, I once again find myself with a female friend. She is everything I wanted in a girl to have a relationship with. Once I finally put it out in the open, she did not feel the same. Again, I shut down (it seemed like we'd 've such a good match, not just to me but to friends as well).

Another factor not discussed is family pressures. I am the younger one in the family and my brother is gay. This, to me, means I am the only one most likely to provide grandchildren.

I want to be able to do that for my parents as much as they want it. With my awkwardness towards women though (specifically ones I'm interested in) this seems very unlikely to happen. I have let my family down in this respect. From high school until now, I felt like I've been running out of time to be able to provide this.

Introvertism and family pressures aside, there are other factors as well. I grew up believeing being friends first and then starting a relationship makes for a better relationship in the long run. I still do believe that. I want to believe that, I have to believe that.

The alternative is something I'm not into. I have no desire for one night stands, flings, friends with benifts. I have sexual desire, but I don't ever feel the need to pursue solely that.

Sex, to me, is something that you can get better at with practice. The idea of starting a relationship because the sex was good is foreign to me. Why would you not want to base it off of compatible personalities? Cuz the sex might be bad? Probably, but it can get better. This, I think, is lost on a lot of people.

To me, the human emotion that is 'love' is potentially the best thing about being alive. It is all I have ever desired. I don't want lots of money or really fancy things. I to hold someone close, go on adventures with. To be able to truely and honestly open up to someone.

When presented with the question, what do you want to do in life? Experience love. I don't care about anything else. Maybe I should, but I've never had a passion for anything. Some people are born with talent. Other refine their unique skills and do things in life that they love to do.

This isn't something I can figure out on my own. I need my better half. Driving me, inspiring me. Making me aware of what makes me great and supporting me on the way to it.

All these things, and even more have weighed heavily on my mind over the past 15 years. It is nothing but constant chaos inside my brain. It is extremely depressing and gets to be more so with every passing day.

Suicide is something I think about on a daily basis. The driving force of why I don't comes in the form of self medication. Video games and marijuana have filled this hole in my heart. Allowing me to take perspective on what my death would mean to those around me.

I hate my life, even though I tons of people have it way worse, and I want to die. This is the nature of depression.

People will tell all these things on how to improve your life and how you can feel better. The problem is I'm not broken in that way. I don't need pills or therapy. I need human interaction.

The feeling of a loving embrace (hug) is the most powerful thing ever. It has been about two years since I last hugged a girl. I long for that feeling again.

Every interaction with society has been confusing to me, like an alien visitor trying to make sense of this strange little planet. Yet here I am, working an extroverts job in an attempt to be around people. Staying with my family so as to not feel completely isolated.

I may have abandoned any hope of someone taking up interest in me. I even strickly enforce celibacy to avoid rejection. I want to no longer exist every day I wake up...but I will endure.

Today I finally realised I am not alone. Regardless of how people feel about "nice guys", there are others out there going through similar circumstances who shame the same opinions.

Thank you random peoples of the wordl for your comments and views on the subject. Though I doubt change will happen anytime soon. I do believe I can start the long climb out of this pit, clinging to my last bit of optimism.

The best part about feminism is that, according to any feminist, there are no real feminists. There seems to be no real concrete definition of what it is you are trying to do (Dont hit me with some BS definition out of the dictionary, you know what i mean) and because none of you seem to be on the same page you all claim that all the "other" feminists arent real feminists. It's as if there's no real leader to keep it all together and coherent. Perhaps you should enlist a man =P

originally posted by: smarterthanyou

Divorces and separations since the 1980s have increased dramatically.

Actually, divorce rates are going down, they peaked in the 80's and have been falling ever since.
As far as unwed or single parents (never married) I dont know, but they might be going up.

originally posted by: Dr1Akula

originally posted by: Annee
You agree that when women are faced with a challenge, they're gonna cave and call a man in to rescue them?

Is that what women did when men went off to war?

That's exactly what women did, since they didn't join the men to war

Many women went to war.

They were limited by man on what they were allowed to do.