The lie of multiculturalism

Back in the mid nineties when I was a teenager Vietnamese immigrates started flooding into a suburb next to me and it went down hill big time. There were gangs & hard drugs everywhere, people I knew were being stabbed and bashed constantly.

But now it's a highly desirable suburb and you can't get a decent property for anything under a million dollars.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Back in the mid nineties when I was a teenager Vietnamese immigrates started flooding into a suburb next to me and it went down hill big time. There were gangs & hard drugs everywhere, people I knew were being stabbed and bashed constantly.

But now it's a highly desirable suburb and you can't get a decent property for anything under a million dollars.

What happened to the crime rate, once it became an 'affluent' suburb?

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originally posted by: amazing
So what you're really saying is that some ethnicities, or people from certain countries will always act in the same way.

This will lead to false statements like the following, which will cause you to become fearful of these people or judge them and then act accordingly without regard for truth or what people are really like. You stereotype people. We know these following statements are false.

Meaning that Russians and Italians will always form mafias. People from African countries will always listen to rap and become thugs. Germans will always commit holocausts. People from south Africa will always want apartheid. People from Mexico will always make drugs, do landscaping and cross borders illegally.

You see the problem with this thinking, right?

It isn't true.

This is one of the most ignorant statements on here. Nobody has said that. Also you should read my post where I explained that you can't stereotype people, but that it is definitively true that it is not usually those who have a job or are law abiding leave their countries. Most often it is those with no jobs, criminal history etc because they get a fresh start.
Yes, that includes criminals and lowlife just as much as lovely working people.
So where is the stereotyping?

I also said that certain countries have different tastes when it comes to front gardens and house keeping, that doesn't mean they can not change a little and keep up OUR ways, learn new things; who knows, it might catch on.
Our ways aren't always the worst you know.

Your post is not adding anything sensible to the debate because you have not read any of the comments here properly. It's just the old: lets call everyone a racist/bigot/foreigner hater, without actually LISTENING to the points they are making.
I am so sick of this attitude.

The most closed minded people are those that are bathing in their own perceived self-glory without having a clue.

a reply to: akushla99

Well it went down to what you'd expect from any other run of the mill upper middle class suburb. Most people that reside there now are professionals and typical middle class people with decent paying jobs.

It only usually takes a generation (sometimes maybe 2) and then it all usually levels out, once the people become adapted to living in a first world country. Unless of course where talking about an industrial neighborhood, but those type of neighborhoods are always going to have the typical issues that you'd expect with lower class neighborhoods, no matter who chooses to live there.

a reply to: Hecate666

"... usually those who have a job or are law abiding leave their countries. Most often it is those with no jobs, criminal history etc because they get a fresh start" Quote Hecate666

...and they move into the suburbs they can afford...the POVVO ones, where there already is no jobs, criminal history etc...Affluent suburbs do not have a problem with multiculturism...

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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: akushla99

Well it went down to what you'd expect from any other run of the mill upper middle class suburb. Most people that reside there now are professionals and typical middle class people with decent paying jobs.

It only usually takes a generation (sometimes maybe 2) and then it all usually levels out, once the people become adapted to living in a first world country. Unless of course where talking about an industrial neighborhood, but those type of neighborhoods are always going to have the typical issues that you'd expect with lower class neighborhoods, no matter who chooses to live there.

Agree...and this is what the problem IS...financial...

Å99

a reply to: rowanflame

My dad had a similar situation. He grew up in a neighborhood on the outskirts of a large city. At one time it was a very nice neighborhood to live in; clean, safe, everyone was friendly. But then blacks started moving in and the whole neighborhood turned to hell... drugs, crime, trash in the streets.
I moved to my current location a year ago and you can see the same situation here. I live in a mostly white area and work in an area with a large proportion of blacks. Simply driving from one area to the other is like entering an entirely different world. Now... At the place I work at, they favor hiring blacks. Most of the employees are black. Despite the fact that they're given the preference in hiring, and despite the fact that everyone is on equal ground regardless of race, why is it that the only people who still tend to succeed are non-black? It's not hard to imagine such circumstances when your black coworkers walk around work all day showing off the drugs they have in their pockets, bragging about how so-and-so got in a fight and beat up such-and-such, being completely vulgar and trying to talk each other into having sex, and spending half the day sitting around talking instead of actually working. Meanwhile, your white coworkers bust their asses doing the job of 4 people.
I try not to be prejudiced against the whole of the black race, but black people, you make it damn hard sometimes.

Anyway, in case I got off topic...
I also agree that forced multiculturalism is bad. It's sad to see cultures being systematically destroyed, oftentimes for the worse. I would hate to live in a world where history, culture, race didn't exist and where everyone was just lumped into one giant ball of collective humanity. Different cultures is what makes humanity interesting and exciting. I WANT separation of culture, I WANT my own culture. I come from a nice, peaceful, quiet rural area, the type of area which I intend to return to, and the idea that someday that lifestyle will be destroyed and replaced by some politically-correct influx of trash and degeneracy makes me afraid.

Flame away, I'm not afraid to share my honest opinions

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: rowanflame

So often when a discussion on tv comes up about multiculturalism its usually an immigrant or generational immigrant that is telling us all how wonerful multiculturalism is. Anything guaranteed to get up my nose is that!

Yep, I'm shouting at the TV with you, either an immigrant talking about how wonderful it is of a posh [snipped] who hasn't got a clue!

What makes me even more angry is when you get an immigrant saying "London was built by immigrants" implying their ancestors were in someway involved in its development !

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: KROandSOTV

Maybe England would have been better off declaring for Hitler? At least that way everyone would be white and those that were not would be treated as second class citizens.

Look, I agree that when an immigrant comes to a new country he/she should certainly make concessions toward assimilating into their new culture. But diversity is the spice of life. I wouldn't want to live in a cookie cutter world where everyone is the same.

Some of you people seem to think that natural citizens don't commit crimes. Yet somehow I don't think this is just about the crime, is it?

haha, you live in Florida, you haven't got a clue what your talking about, pie in the sky......spice of life my ass!

a reply to: rowanflame

Multiculturalism can be a great thing, if done correctly. What's going on today isn't multiculturalism, it's cultural genocide of several cultures. (Both of those entering the host country, and the host country itself.) When you force feed a country (pick one) massive amounts of immigrants, it does several things:

1) Upsets the indigenous people.
2) Erodes the indigenous people's culture and heritage.
3) Erodes the immigrants people's culture and heritage.
4) Raises crime rates as the host country cannot integrate such a large amount of immigrants causing many to fall wayside.
5) Causes tax to rise as someone has to foot the bill for all of this.
6) It goes on and on.

Now stop this immigration to a trickle. Once you've done that, you can integrate those immigrants who has arrived and introduce them to the host countries society. You're also able to make sure that they get the help they need in order to become a member of society, as well as have the ability to screen immigrants background for crime.

The change is gradual, not "in your face". As well as it being a better and safer alternative than just lumping everyone together and expecting us all to get along. It just doesn't work, it will never work. Several Euro countries have had their ministers openly say that multiculturalism was a mistake.

If we're to really help these immigrants, the best place to start is in their own countries. Set up education, police, safe drinking water, and of course hospitals.

Because how is it fair that a few lucky immigrants are able to leave while the majority of their countrymen are left behind?

Here's a good video as to why mass immigration will not work for much longer:

a reply to: rowanflame

Haha yeah I live in Florida. We have Indians, Asians from a myriad of countries, Cubans, Mexicans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, Brazilians, Hondurans, Eastern Europeans...

WTF is your point, cool guy?

originally posted by: trollz
I also agree that forced multiculturalism is bad. It's sad to see cultures being systematically destroyed, oftentimes for the worse. I would hate to live in a world where history, culture, race didn't exist and where everyone was just lumped into one giant ball of collective humanity. Different cultures is what makes humanity interesting and exciting. I WANT separation of culture, I WANT my own culture. I come from a nice, peaceful, quiet rural area, the type of area which I intend to return to, and the idea that someday that lifestyle will be destroyed and replaced by some politically-correct influx of trash and degeneracy makes me afraid.

Flame away, I'm not afraid to share my honest opinions

Actually, according to the above, you are in favor of multiculturalism.

Forced multiculturalism is akin to putting a cow in the center of several caged, hungry tigers.
I think there's a direct correlation between how hard they try to pit the poor and working class against each other and the amount of criminal and treasonous acts being done by some within government.
Those in positions of power to mandate such forced integration never live with it themselves.
If it were such a great thing for everyone one should think they'd want many fresh immigrants living near them in their gated communities and as equals too, not as maids, gardeners, chauffeurs, cooks, domestics and pool boys.

a reply to: Sremmos80

White ethnic english. The OP is a R****T.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Forced multiculturalism...

How is it forced?

The only ones I see trying to force anyone are those that insist that others "integrate".

a reply to: ispyed

Come now, we don't have any evidence at all the OP is a rapist. Lets not call people names, eh? Surely you could find a way to articulate your stance on the discussion without mud-slinging, right?

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: amazing
So what you're really saying is that some ethnicities, or people from certain countries will always act in the same way.

This will lead to false statements like the following, which will cause you to become fearful of these people or judge them and then act accordingly without regard for truth or what people are really like. You stereotype people. We know these following statements are false.

Meaning that Russians and Italians will always form mafias. People from African countries will always listen to rap and become thugs. Germans will always commit holocausts. People from south Africa will always want apartheid. People from Mexico will always make drugs, do landscaping and cross borders illegally.

You see the problem with this thinking, right?

It isn't true.

This is one of the most ignorant statements on here. Nobody has said that. Also you should read my post where I explained that you can't stereotype people, but that it is definitively true that it is not usually those who have a job or are law abiding leave their countries. Most often it is those with no jobs, criminal history etc because they get a fresh start.
Yes, that includes criminals and lowlife just as much as lovely working people.
So where is the stereotyping?

I also said that certain countries have different tastes when it comes to front gardens and house keeping, that doesn't mean they can not change a little and keep up OUR ways, learn new things; who knows, it might catch on.
Our ways aren't always the worst you know.

Your post is not adding anything sensible to the debate because you have not read any of the comments here properly. It's just the old: lets call everyone a racist/bigot/foreigner hater, without actually LISTENING to the points they are making.
I am so sick of this attitude.

The most closed minded people are those that are bathing in their own perceived self-glory without having a clue.

Dead wrong. When you say that multiculturalism is to blame. This is what you are saying. You're saying that other cultures are to blame for the worsening conditions in your neighborhood. that's what was said. Yes?

Taken a step further, these posts are saying that the problem lies in cultures other than yours. Yes?

That's what was said right?

originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
a reply to: rowanflame

Haha yeah I live in Florida. We have Indians, Asians from a myriad of countries, Cubans, Mexicans, Haitians, Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, Brazilians, Hondurans, Eastern Europeans...

WTF is your point, cool guy?

paradise in comparison, get a few more immigrants in there and then lets talk...or go live in Detroit for a bit and then lets talk

a reply to: rowanflame

Sure dude. Don't believe the telly my good man. Florida is not the Paradise you seem to believe. Also, I'm willing to bet big money your current locale is nothing like Detroit. But I guess I don't know what I'm talking about so its your word against mine, comrade.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: amazing
So what you're really saying is that some ethnicities, or people from certain countries will always act in the same way.

This will lead to false statements like the following, which will cause you to become fearful of these people or judge them and then act accordingly without regard for truth or what people are really like. You stereotype people. We know these following statements are false.

Meaning that Russians and Italians will always form mafias. People from African countries will always listen to rap and become thugs. Germans will always commit holocausts. People from south Africa will always want apartheid. People from Mexico will always make drugs, do landscaping and cross borders illegally.

You see the problem with this thinking, right?

It isn't true.

This is one of the most ignorant statements on here. Nobody has said that. Also you should read my post where I explained that you can't stereotype people, but that it is definitively true that it is not usually those who have a job or are law abiding leave their countries. Most often it is those with no jobs, criminal history etc because they get a fresh start.
Yes, that includes criminals and lowlife just as much as lovely working people.
So where is the stereotyping?

I also said that certain countries have different tastes when it comes to front gardens and house keeping, that doesn't mean they can not change a little and keep up OUR ways, learn new things; who knows, it might catch on.
Our ways aren't always the worst you know.

Your post is not adding anything sensible to the debate because you have not read any of the comments here properly. It's just the old: lets call everyone a racist/bigot/foreigner hater, without actually LISTENING to the points they are making.
I am so sick of this attitude.

The most closed minded people are those that are bathing in their own perceived self-glory without having a clue.

Dead wrong. When you say that multiculturalism is to blame. This is what you are saying. You're saying that other cultures are to blame for the worsening conditions in your neighborhood. that's what was said. Yes?

Taken a step further, these posts are saying that the problem lies in cultures other than yours. Yes?

That's what was said right?

Well there is a reason why they left their country's and I only have to turn on the TV to see what they came from to understand why they think they are coming to the land of milk and honey

So yes there is serious problems back home!