Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: aynock

You havn't read all the posts, as made apparent by your most recent 'question'.

The member in question stated several times that before dropping informational bombs on people, it's best to find the people who have a solid knowledge of the technology already. A methodology that is sound in logic and practice. Before leaking what may be valuable information in a forum like ATS it is wise to seek out people who would understand the value of that information. This is historically the challenge all whistleblowers face when they decide to drop leaked information. In order to prove it's valuable, you have to be sure to leak it where people who understand the details (or lack of details) and are able to confirm it.

I would say that was accomplished, and even more, has caused the ensuing hubris we are now all a part of. Something else quality leaks have always done.

As others have pointed out several times, dropping information to the public, especially on a sight like ATS (one that is actively monitored, and has several times been filtered because of content the feds intervened) can pose a great danger to the leaker. No one wants to spend an extended vacation in Cuba, or be disapeared to a place that no one will ever hear from you again, eh?

So that is how the reverse thruster brakes work on a disinformation plane?
Wind redirection who would have thought.

a reply to: Jenisiz

Please link to any legal case showing proof that Mr Shawyer is a fraudster for defrauding the British Government.

Surely they would have put him out of business and as I showed previously ...

Because Mr Shawyer is certainly still in business and I quote from his website ...

Latest news

October 2014

At the IAC 2014 conference in Toronto, Roger Shawyer stated that 8 sets of test data have now verified EmDrive theory. These data sets resulted from thrust measurements on 7 different thrusters, by 4 independent organisations, in 3 different countries.
The Toronto presentation can be found here: IAC14 Presentation (caution pdf.)

Furthermore, the Cannae Drive may require propellant, BUT the Em Drive does not as shown by the data presented in the Chinese University pdf. that I also linked previously.

Applying Method of Reference 2 to Effectively Calculating Performance of Microwave Radiation Thruster
Yang Juan,Yang Le,Zhu Yu,Ma Nan
(College of Astronautics,Northwestern Polytechnica University,Xi′an 710072,China)

Microwave thrusters without propellant are a new concept. In these thrusters,microwaves are radiated into a sealed conical cavity through a waveguide, which act on the surface of the cavity and follow the contour of the
thrusters to produce thrust. The advantages of these thrusters are:
(1) Producing thrust without propellant; without erosion, wear and thermal stress from the hot exhaust gas; and at the same time increasing quality.
(2) If the microwave output power is stable, the performance of thrusters is not affected by its working environment.
(3) Existing experiments and theories show that using different structure materials, with microwave output power of 1kW, the range of thrust is 0.1–31500N.
From above mentioned, these thrusters can be used in satellites, deep space explorers and spacecraft, bringing the advantages of increasing their loading capability and operating life.

Microwave thrusters without propellant is invented by Roger Shawyer in a British company that research on satellite thrusters (SPR Ltd), he has already started the theories analysis and prototyping. Roger Shawyer has designed a conical cavity resonator, similar to the transverse wave TE mode, with a quality factor of 50,000, rectangular waveguide radiates the microwave into the resonator, using a non-resistance test turntable, the practical results show thrust produce by the resonator with the microwave output power of 300W is 86.2mN, this measurement match the calculation.

And you have previously agreed with me that the Em Drive is plausible and that you concur with the Chinese source I am using ...

I'm skeptical of the youtube video but yes it is plausible. There have actually been three cases of it working. Chinese mimicked the original and then Nasa followed. Issue is it's not practical in gravity. Best results are outside of it... and we don't know how it really works yet either.

SO I am not the one displaying cognitive dissonance here.

My uncle is always talking about being abducted by beings in large black triangular UFOs, multiple times, ever since he was about 8 years old. He remembers it in detail.

a reply to: ForeverMan

Lol, I'm done debating with someone that has only google searched knowledge of the subject. Do you even know what a propellant is? "PLAUSIBLE" does not mean its been done. Their current standings are wrong. ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING in the drive/engine theory requires propellant lol. In the EmDrives case it's magnified radiation utilizing other forms of energy to "fuel" it. YOU HAVE ZERO knowledge on this subject and it's very apparent.

Shawyer continuously failed to provide any working device that could be repeated for YEARS. That's why it died...and was reborn. It's irrelevant for me to waste time proving you wrong as I've already done so. Here's some more info for you and I'm done...

Told you

a reply to: AnonyMason

so the story is 'whistleblower drops valuable secret information on the internet but feds don't intervene'?

or maybe they stopped posting because they can't get the internet in their 'hotel room' in cuba

a reply to: aynock

Ion engines have been around for years, I read about them back in the 1960's.
www.gizmag.com...

Plasma is also used in house allegorically, my Grandfather used to drive me nuts switching polarity so to speak.
He was the head of the physics department at an Ivy league liberal arts college.

a reply to: Cauliflower

not sure what the relevance of ion engines is

and in my experience scientists try to be as precise as possible with their terminology

a reply to: aynock

Scientifically:

The current in turn generates a magnetic field at right angles to the electric field, and thereby accelerates the positive ions out of the engine via the Lorentz force – basically the same effect on which railguns are based.

The Lorentz force is the combination of electric and magnetic force on a point charge due to electromagnetic fields.

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: Cauliflower

not sure what the relevance of ion engines is

and in my experience scientists try to be as precise as possible with their terminology

Ion thrusters are capable of propelling a space ship 10x faster than chemical propellants due to the speed at which they are vented from the exhaust... only problem is it takes a substantial amount of time to actually get moving...NASA was big on this back in 2008 and it looks promising it's just maneuverability and stopping is a b word.

I was seeing them daily for awhile and then nothing. It's as if a flap occurred when "he" broke this story.

I've been wondering if the big ones work the same as the little ones. If they have the same camo abilities, then we're dealing with the possibility of having large, floating, tv screens in our skies. Revelations can be pulled over on you with such a technology; fatima at least.

a reply to: tetra50

There are science perspectives that the universe is, indeed, filled with plasma and a living thing, an organism on the macro scale…..

Starred!

I read a thread on ATS recently, authored by Mr Mask, that credibly details the fact that it is easier for the universe to just create a mind out of the random heat death of the universe, called a Boltzman Brain, than it is for it to actually create a mind within a body that requires a fantastic multitude of chance occurrences to happen in perfect succession over billions of years to create that working body that can house a mind.

Attack of the Boltzmann Brains from Space (CampKill)

YouTube link


Also there are devices that are the analogue equivalents of brains in the form of A.I. digital and analog neural net computers, as all of them, human brains to neural nets, can compute/process data into information i.e. analogue equivalent of 'THINKING'!

And so its not to far a leap in logic to see that plasma may indeed be able to compute and be therefor 'sentient' at some level.

The issue I see is merely one of scale!

Most of the known universe is made up of ionized interstellar medium gases and being ionized means that IS a plasma state!

Interstellar medium

In astronomy, the interstellar medium (or ISM) is the matter that exists in the space between the star systems in a galaxy. This matter includes gas in ionic, atomic, and molecular form, dust, and cosmic rays. It fills interstellar space and blends smoothly into the surrounding intergalactic space. The energy that occupies the same volume, in the form of electromagnetic radiation, is the interstellar radiation field.

The ISM is usually far from thermodynamic equilibrium. Collisions establish a Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution of velocities, and the 'temperature' normally used to describe interstellar gas is the 'kinetic temperature', which describes the temperature at which the particles would have the observed Maxwell–Boltzmann velocity distribution in thermodynamic equilibrium. However, the interstellar radiation field is typically much weaker than a medium in thermodynamic equilibrium; it is most often roughly that of an A star (surface temperature of ~10,000 K) highly diluted. Therefore, bound levels within an atom or molecule in the ISM are rarely populated according to the Boltzmann formula (Spitzer 1978, § 2.4).

Depending on the temperature, density, and ionization state of a portion of the ISM, different heating and cooling mechanisms determine the temperature of the gas.

If the universe is mostly plasma and since Boltzman brains are possible, then the entire universe itself may be one big Boltzman brain, which we can simply recognize as an analogue equivalent of God.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: mbkennel

There was also an exact time given that a certain non-triangle craft would pass over a specific point in the world. That time was nine minutes off.

This must be quite disconcerting if you believe both incidents did actually occur as reported?

How many none authorised tipoffs of classified projects get dropped every year with time, date and location info? - (That's not a rhetorical question I would genuinely be interested to know?).

At least one of the "Doritos" sightings was a documented authorised military tip off but dropping 2 seperate projects in a general conspiracy forum and providing a narrative with photographic evidence does surely qualify as unprecedented- authorised or not.

a reply to: Jukiodone

I can count the ones to me on one hand with fingers left. I have heard of a few but they're extremely rare.

The one to me involved multiple unrelated people seeing it based on that time.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Multiple unrelated people corroborating a tip off regarding location and time of a classified project?
As someone with just a passing interest in UFO's/classified aircraft; I've never heard of that happening so WOW.

I've also never heard of anyone making successful predictions about UFO's/classified aircraft then also providing photographic evidence as part of their story...photos are rare in tech hoaxes as they can undo hours worth of work instantly- see Titor.

Not only are there photos but a rough location, background info and loads of geographical hints just by sorting through the posts themselves.

In terms of verifiable evidence I cant see why the internet wouldnt be all over this as it seems to have as much debunkable material as Lazar or Titor; with the photos being the obvious place to start.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Associated pics provided in another thread....another member provided a rough summary of how the Arcadian had aquired these along the lines of "taken outside in the UK (maybe Scotland) whilst having a fag break...she tips up then poof she's gone" (strongly paraphrased).

I've also messed up the order but original post order is in the black triangles photos thread.

Debunk away...if nothing else they should serve as inspiration for everyone who only gets one shot of an "object" they say they've seen.
Having multiple shots is strange in itself as it just increases the chances you would be caught out - if hoaxing.

a reply to: Jukiodone

interesting pics - my first thought is why black and white?

any chance of a link to the original post they appeared in?

a reply to: aynock

Black and White= Night Vision or a crappy camera that adjusted colour control for the near object streetlight...

Cant tell if they've been taken on a mobile phone held upright (!) or been cropped afterwards but I'd have thought someone versed in analyzing photo's would easily be able to tell on both counts...

Think someone did analyze in terms of location and suggested the streetlights matched somewhere on Google Street View that might support the story...


Link to original post of pics : www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Jukiodone

a reply to: Jukiodone

These were linked to me in chat a while back. Pretty sure these are the 'original' image compressions of those pics. Yes 'original' is still a speculative word in this case as the metadata is slightly modified. The images themselves don't seem to be, however.





I've also checked out the EXIF data:

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The other image data from the second image was scrubbed. Pretty sweet pics, wherever they are from.