Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Uh...said person claimed to be his clone. And there's ways to track.

do you have access to the off world clone database or something

Lol... mac address didn't change

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

In this particular case, there was another sighting, on another day, in a similar but not identical location, of a very similar craft, with an identical flight profile reported independently to NUFORC, and BASSPLYR didn't know anything about it. And another prior report of something similar near Santa Barbara.

And several aerospace technology companies are located in SoCal area.

I'm a skeptical nerd, and in this case, odds are good there is something real, and quick, in the air.

Other than that, we don't know much.

a reply to: mbkennel

There was also an exact time given that a certain non-triangle craft would pass over a specific point in the world. That time was nine minutes off.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Uh...said person claimed to be his clone. And there's ways to track.

Can you link that thread? (since posting the clone's name probably isn't allowed)

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thank You Zaph.

He was off by about 15 minutes for me. Pretty sure I ain't hallucinating. And to be precise although it was a nuts and bolts sighting. There were no nuts or bolts anywhere on it that I could see. What his game was we don't know. but we do know that he knew. Also, how'd he know the nearly exact time that it would go directly down the center of my residential street lengthwise at half the altitude it did before is a different question altogether.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Jumping in late to the party, but have been following all related threads closely.

Speculative answer to that question: maybe he told it to. Alternate answer: I have no idea, but it smacks of some pretty high level clearance, even if the time frame was off by a touch.

Been lurking these related threads since first reading through the RK story and started digging out the history of our nameless enigma. I'll be more active assuming theres value to the speculations or info I come up with.

Also want to take this opportunity to thank you and Zaphod58 for all of the enlightening insight... boomer too.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

There are hundreds of documented cases
of 'real physical airships that you can touch'
flying over cities before airplanes even being
invented...with hundreds of people reporting
the sightings..that supposedly turned into
balls of light and dissapeared in a flash.

At least if you believe reports from the
late 19th century. ...if you believe Vallee..
Keel...etc. Many credible people.

The 'UFO' I saw looked SO REAL...so
much like a nuts and bolts craft. It was
awe inspiring. ..amazing. ..I could see
welds...rivets...creases....

and then it changed shape two
times over 5 seconds....to a
pyramid then a cube.

Now COULD you have seen real
black ops craft or a real UFO'?

Sure. But the other million people
are probably seeing the same
fakes as everyone else.

Its just like with the occult. Sometimes
you just have to admit that you've been
had...made a fool of....and get over it
and get back to normal life.

This is my input....take it for what
it's worth.

Kev

a reply to: AnonyMason

I have no idea, but it smacks of some pretty high level clearance, even if the time frame was off by a touch.

This thread has answered a few questions that were left unexplained years ago when I went through some extensive testing for a sensitive employment position. I gather that UFO flights are expected to leave nothing to chance. No, I couldn't tell you where the psychiatrists prison is (although 6 hours of reading tests narrows the possibilities). Light from the Earths sun takes 8 minutes to reach the Earth due to the restraint of gravity. I'm not sure what would happen if an unpredictable alien with anti gravity technology got inside one of those secure government sites.

I LOVE how everyone keeps claiming he knew flight paths. With all this flight path prediction how in the hell is it possible we have not one single photo. How is that possible? I've no problem snapping an impromptu photo while driving 75mph down the freeway of an unexpected and unidentified craft but we can't even get a single picture of one that has been predicted numerous times supposedly. When he's telling people expect it here... do they not think to take a picture? Even though we're all after proof? Not even a camera phone attempt?

a reply to: Jenisiz

well ask your self this . IF anyone did get a photo of it why on earth would they EVER Post that on line? That's not just not cool to do to the good people who build and operate these things. It's extremely dangerous.

Also, who says there aren't photos? Just because you don't know anything about them.

Also maybe they don't photograph well. Maybe the govt knows how to screw up photos.

a reply to: Jenisiz

Also we're not claiming, we're telling you. He knew flight paths. That's not conjecture. That is one thing we can talk about. The details not so much.

a reply to: Jenisiz

No I don't sadly. For starters the Shawyer 's EMDRIVE was proven faulty which branched off to another device called the Cannae Drive.

Please cite an online reference which credibly proves the Em Drives as 'faulty' technology and also a reference that the Em Drive inspired Guido P. Fetta. to invent the Cannae Drive.

Because Mr Shawyer is certainly still in business and I quote from his website ...

Latest news

October 2014

At the IAC 2014 conference in Toronto, Roger Shawyer stated that 8 sets of test data have now verified EmDrive theory. These data sets resulted from thrust measurements on 7 different thrusters, by 4 independent organisations, in 3 different countries.
The Toronto presentation can be found here: IAC14 Presentation (caution pdf.)

The numbers you provided weren't accurate levels.

Which numbers? [I provided several data points all taken directly from the sources I linked and quoted.]

With the EMDRIVE you're referring to, the device would function akin to sailors blowing into there own sails.

Which would work if they could blow hard enough! The fact is the Em Drive does work as proven by Nasa and the Chinese university.

How it works is not so important! That it DOES WORK is the important fact to grasp 1st.

a reply to: ForeverMan

Here's just one blog on how it's wrong from Discovery. com

Unfortunately blowing hard enough wouldn't work. It's basic physics. The intake of air would exceed the expulsion which nullifies any motion. There is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine or any machine for that matter that exports the same amount of energy as is imported.

It's apparent you're not very knowledgeable in the realms of physics and if you'd like to change that, I'd be more than happy to recommend some books where you can further your knowledge of it. Knowledge is power, and imho the key to understanding life and its phenomenon.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Jenisiz

well ask your self this . IF anyone did get a photo of it why on earth would they EVER Post that on line? That's not just not cool to do to the good people who build and operate these things. It's extremely dangerous.

Also, who says there aren't photos? Just because you don't know anything about them.

Also maybe they don't photograph well. Maybe the govt knows how to screw up photos.

Lol, then why bother coming to a conspiracy forum claiming you have proof but be afraid to actually provide it? If that's the case, say nothing as you have nothing to contribute. Some people are here for answers...It's apparent whose here for other reasons. The main one is "look at me look at me, I have proof of aliens but won't show it because I NEED to feel special."

You do understand how ridiculous these excuses are right. They're afraid to upload a picture and say I saw this...but completely ok coming here spilling wild claims across the forums with no evidence? Why bother than...oh yeah...the attention.

a reply to: Jenisiz

a fuller explanation for no photos was given here:

link

a reply to: Jenisiz

Unfortunately blowing hard enough wouldn't work. It's basic physics. The intake of air would exceed the expulsion which nullifies any motion.

Here is a video of three tests that disprove your claim in the 3rd and final test, showing that it is merely a matter of power.

Fan on a Sailboat


1st test shows ...

No wind.

No sail.

Fan driven only.

Result: Fan attached to the 'sailboat', but not blowing into any sail, moves the 'sailboat'.

2nd test shows ...

Wind externally generated by fan separate from 'sailboat'.

Sail included on 'sailboat'.

External wind driven only.

Result: Separate fan generates wind which is caught by the sail on the 'sailboat', which then moves normally like any sailboat would.

3drd test shows.

No external wind.

Sail included on 'sailboat'.

Fan on 'sailboat'.

Result: As above BUT takes longer to overcome and build up momentum. It DOES move!

The premise is sound.

a reply to: Jenisiz

"The Gray Area is a discussion forum that provides a dedicated area for members to post their confessions, disclosures, and related extraordinary personal experiences. Like the highly speculative Skunk Works forum, The Gray Area will tolerate topics that may be unusually hypothetical or unproven for the purpose of vetting the stories of thread-starters by the ATS membership at large."

Coming into the Gray Area and saying "There's no proof here, wake up!" doesn't really make sense lol.

We're speculating about a technology that can feasibly sense and block cameras, has some degree of optical stealth, and can undergo tremendous acceleration tremendously quickly up to tremendous speeds.

And you want a picture of it?

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: Jenisiz

Unfortunately blowing hard enough wouldn't work. It's basic physics. The intake of air would exceed the expulsion which nullifies any motion.

Here is a video of three tests that disprove your claim in the 3rd and final test, showing that it is merely a matter of power.

Fan on a Sailboat

1st test shows ...

No wind.

No sail.

Fan driven only.

Result: Fan attached to the 'sailboat', but not blowing into any sail, moves the 'sailboat'.

2nd test shows ...

Wind externally generated by fan separate from 'sailboat'.

Sail included on 'sailboat'.

External wind driven only.

Result: Separate fan generates wind which is caught by the sail on the 'sailboat', which then moves normally like any sailboat would.

3drd test shows.

No external wind.

Sail included on 'sailboat'.

Fan on 'sailboat'.

Result: As above BUT takes longer to overcome and build up momentum. It DOES move!

The premise is sound.

It's not my claim. It's physics...there's other factors involved. It won't work and has been proven so. Any motion occurring is due to ambient temp fluctuations...in other words, wind from other sources.

Look into the Laws of Thermodynamics. Once you have a good foundation and understanding of it, then we can discuss how millions of scientists have it wrong.

originally posted by: framedragged
a reply to: Jenisiz

"The Gray Area is a discussion forum that provides a dedicated area for members to post their confessions, disclosures, and related extraordinary personal experiences. Like the highly speculative Skunk Works forum, The Gray Area will tolerate topics that may be unusually hypothetical or unproven for the purpose of vetting the stories of thread-starters by the ATS membership at large."

Coming into the Gray Area and saying "There's no proof here, wake up!" doesn't really make sense lol.

We're speculating about a technology that can feasibly sense and block cameras, has some degree of optical stealth, and can undergo tremendous acceleration tremendously quickly up to tremendous speeds.

And you want a picture of it?

You are aware there is a difference between speculation and proof. I wouldn't come in here expecting proof if ops didn't claim to know the truth. And it's not contained in just the same Gray Area of the forum...I followed the mad rants back and forth across the forum claiming to be fact...when there's nothing but speculation to back it up.

Please point out how " I fly spaceships for a Breakaway Civilization and we use sleeping people to make star maps" is speculation. Because he's not speculating anything...hhe's claiming to be a whistleblower that really blows at providing any proof to backup claims.