Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: Jenisiz

Your impossibly fast reply indicates that you didn't watch the video I supplied.

Also I am NOT making any claims about the Em Drive being reactionless at all.

That is a claim made by others.

My claim was that its creating gravity waves and that explains why there doesn't seem to be anything exhausted.

a reply to: Jenisiz

I don't know why. Maybe he's on somebody's payroll and was assigned to monitor this sight. You do know that right now people are being paid (or assigned) by others to monitor this website. Everything you've written. Everything I've written is all being scrutinized and monitored by folks. ..very closely.

Sometimes it's necessary to send "someone in" so to speak to see just what is going on. Befriend the members in question. That could have been his assignment. Maybe he took a liking and got too friendly with his assignment. Maybe they didn't like that and pulled him from the job. Maybe they discovered the subject wasn't the person they were looking for, or proved to be of no real concern security wise and they are pulled back out.

The point is we don't know what his deal was. Maybe in some bit of semi senilety (sp) he started babbling too much about stuff he shouldn't and they said fix what you've done old man or else it's orange jumpsuit time so he went all RK on us. We simply don't know. Maybe it wasn't good enough and it is indeed orange jumpsuit time for the poor guy. But there are lots more options besides just looking for attention. Including trolling us for fun after he completed his "Assignment"

Maybe he was a retired insider on the project and violated his SF-312 a bit and they said fix it. And he went all RK. To discredit himself. If thats the case it seems to have worked on most of the members. Again we don't know.

But rest assured there are people reading this right now who's jobs are to monitor the discussion of classified stuff online and to prevent leaks.

How you doing out there non ATS members!!!! I'm a big fan of your work. She's beautiful by the way. Very fast and quiet. I'd be (and I am) pretty damned proud of that particular piece of the national inventory you guys got there. Seriously give those engineers and people that worked on her some serious bonuses this year if you haven't already. They totally deserve it.

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: Jenisiz

Your impossibly fast reply indicates that you didn't watch the video I supplied.

Also I am NOT making any claims about the Em Drive being reactionless at all.

That is a claim made by others.

My claim was that its creating gravity waves and that explains why there doesn't seem to be anything exhausted.

My quick replies should be an indication that I've researched these topics extensively during my college years (physics was just one of my majors) and afterwards. I've worked for serious tech giants and I was surrounded by this tech not from a speculative stand point, but for a paycheck. Mythbusters did the same experiment and we found nothing but errors during the entire show. It's impossible.

a reply to: Jenisiz

Then you and I have nothing to discuss further as you wont even consider the data set I bring.

I think the term 'closed minded' can now be safely attributed to your posts concerning my posts and that you never had any intention of considering any evidence I brought to this thread and clearly you are trying to derail me and sideline the vital information I have prepared and posted.

Removed double post.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Jenisiz

I don't know why. Maybe he's on somebody's payroll and was assigned to monitor this sight. You do know that right now people are being paid (or assigned) by others to monitor this website. Everything you've written. Everything I've written is all being scrutinized and monitored by folks. ..very closely.

Sometimes it's necessary to send "someone in" so to speak to see just what is going on. Befriend the members in question. That could have been his assignment. Maybe he took a liking and got too friendly with his assignment. Maybe they didn't like that and pulled him from the job. Maybe they discovered the subject wasn't the person they were looking for, or proved to be of no real concern security wise and they are pulled back out.

The point is we don't know what his deal was. Maybe in some bit of semi senilety (sp) he started babbling too much about stuff he shouldn't and they said fix what you've done old man or else it's orange jumpsuit time so he went all RK on us. We simply don't know. Maybe it wasn't good enough and it is indeed orange jumpsuit time for the poor guy. But there are lots more options besides just looking for attention. Including trolling us for fun after he completed his "Assignment"

Maybe he was a retired insider on the project and violated his SF-312 a bit and they said fix it. And he went all RK. To discredit himself. If thats the case it seems to have worked on most of the members. Again we don't know.

But rest assured there are people reading this right now who's jobs are to monitor the discussion of classified stuff online and to prevent leaks.

How you doing out there non ATS members!!!! I'm a big fan of your work. She's beautiful by the way. Very fast and quiet. I'd be (and I am) pretty damned proud of that particular piece of the national inventory you guys got there. Seriously give those engineers and people that worked on her some serious bonuses this year if you haven't already. They totally deserve it.

I could completely get behind this theory if he hadn't of leaked info and hinted at knowing the "truth" for so long. Everything he's done is blatant attention seeking behavior that anyone who has completed psych 101 can see from a mile away. Look at Doty and others...true agents of disinfo. He can't even get his physics right. If he could.. then maybe I'd of taken him seriously...but that was a big swing and a miss.

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: Jenisiz

Then you and I have nothing to discuss further as you wont even consider the data set I bring.

I think the term 'closed minded' can now be safely attributed to your posts concerning my posts and that you never had any intention of considering any evidence I brought to this thread and clearly you are trying to derail me and sideline the vital information I have prepared and posted.

I've taken everything you've provided under consideration and none of it was valid. I knew from the start that your claims about the EM Drive was off...It's the entire reason NASA only looked into it after the Chinese claimed it worked. It didn't. I recognized the numbers you posted and several other items were direct quotes from Wiki as I do this stuff for a living now. I majored in it and have surrounded myself with science for 15 years. I took a few year hiatus while I was a BX Therapist but my studying never died. You can't present info I've already scoured over and claim it has the answers bc it doesn't.

I've even offered to help you gain actual knowledge in physics but you don't want to look into it. If you're going to make wild claims...at least know what it is you're talking about. Again my offer is to help you understand physics...I'd be more than happy to even send you some of my physics journals if you pay shipping.

a reply to: aynock

Thanks. I read it over and had when it was originally posted. I DO believe Bass did see something...however without proof it's just a claim. It doesn't support anything. After all these folks claim to have proof bc he can tell them flight paths means nil unless proven otherwise.

The world mocks us as tin foil wearing fools because we're engulfed in hoaxers and bs. It's apparent as to why...half the people claiming to know the truth contradict more believable stories and there's always an excuse as to why they can't provide proof. All the while claiming like they have answers.

If I could tell you the delivery schedule of a KFC truck, does that confirm my theory that all KFC food are alien robotic chickens? Because that's what you're asking us to believe.

a reply to: ForeverMan

so you're saying the em drive works because it's moving air, as in the above video?

i'd like to see it working in a vacuum - wouldn't you?

But you don't take seriously the FACT he knew the flight paths and itinerary of Classified military aircraft. Some extremely classified. Knew their itineraries within minutes. No, the only way you know that is if you are very close to the individuals setting those itineraries. You can keep going with your theory. Don't accept certain facts because it's inconvenient.

So what do you say about the FACT he knew the itinerary of extremely classified military aircraft. Are you saying that a bunch of us all made that part up even though we don't know each other and don't really inter-communicate to even be able to coordinate something like that. No motive, nothing to gain, but we all want to hoax that one little factoid? For what. Oh thats right I'm looking for attention, it's psychology 101. Um OK.

Everything you say would make sense if he didn't actually provide certain proofs of credibility. But he did. I know that since you weren't invited to the party you simply can't believe that maybe there were ways to confirm he knew something only an insider would know. Like extremely classified flight itineraries of extremely classified military hardware. But yet he was consistent enough with his accuracy on such things that it does demonstrate that he was somehow an insider.

a reply to: Jenisiz

You clearly didn't watch the last video I provided!

You link to the Discovery article shows that your argument is relying on a logical fallacy of claim to authority as the article clearly shows ...

Physicist John Baez has another, more colorful word to describe the spate of recent reports about a breakthrough space engine that produces thrust without any propellant. The word starts with “bull–.” I won’t finish it, this being a family-friendly web site and all. Baez himself has softened his tone and now calls it “baloney,” though his sentiment remains the same: The laws of physics remain intact, and the “impossible” space drive is, as far as anyone can tell, actually impossible.

... when the article, by Corey S. Powell, then doesn't show at all how Mr Baez logically debunks the Em Drive.

Instead the article immediately diverts from that and instead gives a history lesson.

And further more the articles own authors biases, regarding the Cannae Drive [note: not the Em Drive] are for all to see ...

The other danger here is that glorifying dubious shortcuts like Cannae Drive takes away attention (and, potentially, political support and funding) from the real space-exploration advances. You know, the ones that result from the hard work of large teams, not the tinkering of lone inventors. When the results of the Cannae Drive prove impossible to validate (as will almost surely happen), it may produce an unjustified cynicism about how NASA has failed us once again.

Note that he makes the claim that the Cannae Drive is impossible and yet you agree with me that the Cannae Drive does indeed work and yet you are relying on his article to sway me on the Em Drive being also impossible.

You're out of luck and out of credibility IMO.

Look I'm not defending his RK story. Even I don't believe it. Thats up for grabs for his reasoning for making all that stuff up. Anything from seeking attention to trying his hand at psy-ops or simply creative writing. Maybe it was his attempt at diffusing what he had done. But we don't know. I can't say anything about any of that.

But as far as being an individual who knew a whole hell of a lot about stuff he shouldn't have been discussing on the internet and had a close connection military ( or another agency govt wise) connection or association that gave him access to extremely classified information. Like flight itineraries of top secret things. That is something that is a FACT. Thats all I'm defending. His credibility stands in that regard.

What his game was, is totally up to speculation, however.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Would you bet your life on his story? I posted my proof I saw something with no qualms or hinting. No desire for special treatment...simply here it is.

He makes wild claims in regards to physics I KNOW, not speculate about, are incorrect. So you want me to believe a fantastic story when I know he's wrong about it.

Would you believe someone claiming to be a math teacher that can't get math right? They may know the difference between addition and subtraction but that doesn't prove anything.

Flight paths can be easily predicted online. He's good at trickery...and it's apparent. I've done my research. Every person claiming to verify his flight path has stated in their own threads the time and location said phenomenon was witnessed, it's pretty easy to predict when it will return. And if you're out there with a predictable flight plan and not a single photo...what would you expect? Mass hysteria and seeing what you want to see are all proven faults in the human psyche. Approach dateline with your claims...You think they'd believe it? You think the populace would believe it without any proof?

Again I've shown where he was wrong and the way he leaked info...until I have proof...It's a well executed hoax.

a reply to: Jenisiz

If I could tell you the delivery schedule of a KFC truck, does that confirm my theory that all KFC food are alien robotic chickens? Because that's what you're asking us to believe.

i'm not asking anyone to believe anything - but i'm interested in your alien robotic chicken theory - you should start a thread on it - in 'the gray area' of course



(p.s. i thought your photo was interesting - also worthy of a thread, if you wanted to give a fuller account of the sighting)

a reply to: aynock

No! My claim is that its lifting because it maybe generating gravity waves by pushing off of the virtual quantum plasma.

I don't trust the video much. But I do provide it as data.

And yes, it would be good to see it tested in a vacuum and also in microgravity.

originally posted by: Jenisiz

originally posted by: framedragged

"Like the highly speculative Skunk Works forum, The Gray Area will tolerate topics that may be unusually hypothetical or unproven for the purpose of vetting the stories of thread-starters by the ATS membership at large."

You are aware there is a difference between speculation and proof. I wouldn't come in here expecting proof if ops didn't claim to know the truth. And it's not contained in just the same Gray Area of the forum...I followed the mad rants back and forth across the forum claiming to be fact...when there's nothing but speculation to back it up.

Yes, we all know the difference. That's why it's in the Gray Area, and not, say, the Science or Aviation forums.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
Please point out how " I fly spaceships for a Breakaway Civilization and we use sleeping people to make star maps" is speculation. Because he's not speculating anything...hhe's claiming to be a whistleblower that really blows at providing any proof to backup claims.

After following the rants back and forth I feel you should have noticed that most of us have been discussing details* about classified air frames which were interspersed in an assuredly almost entirely fictional and obfuscatory narrative. Who is taking the RK story on faith? I've seen alternate discussion focused on sentient plasmas and on aliens, but I don't think I've seen anyone really talk about the RK story outside of 'alicce'. So yes, it definitely follows that he would be unable to provide whistle blowing style proof.

*Inside info or dedicated armchair investigator, it's the same speculation once it gets passed to us either way.

a reply to: Jenisiz

If you have actually read any of the posts made by BASSPLYR you would unerstand that is clearly not the case.

Much of the information provided by you-know-who should be carefully read between the lines. And, imo, a healthy portion may be able to be ommited all together.

Regardless of that, we are still left with some one who had 'in the know' information, and shared it with members of this forum. That fact is not omittable, in the least. Nor is there any question left in my mind that he was very well versed in the technical aspects of other aeronautic platforms. Some that are still well behind the black veil, only now being hinted at being developed by the companies who traditionally develop such technology.

Unless your suggesting a pretty well organized disinformation campaign, you're ignoring some hard details.

a reply to: ForeverMan

Along with your ability to speculate incorrect physics...you're ability at understanding English words such as supposedly and it's synonyms in the post I made is way off. Shawyer has already been proven as a fraud and milked the British gov for millions. EmDrives were proven wrong and it was renamed. Not only to avoid the flaws in the original but the negative stigma that follows it.

Go reread your post...I mean for starters it requires a propellant and is affected by atmosphere...two things you got wwrong I pointed out and you corrected. You were wrong from the start lol and I'm ignorant LMFAO

a reply to: ForeverMan

how can you claim the concept is anything other than speculation if all the relevant tests haven't been done?

and he's inventing physics out of thin air to describe how it works

the guy has been touting this around for a while - you'd have thought he would have done all the tests himself

i'm not a physicist but i suspect this is working on the same principle as the ecat

a reply to: framedragged

so the story then is 'insider blabs secrets to people they don't know on the internet'? what reason could they have for doing that?