Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

originally posted by: Peeple
You know what a story is, right? And how stories work?

I'm glad you admit it was a story which also means it could be entirely imaginary.

originally posted by: Peeple
Only someone very dense would think he could just blatantly state exact details of all the technology, all the concepts, all the locations that are real.

Which is why I suppose she didn't state any specific details about anything.

originally posted by: Peeple
He didn't want to start a war and be sitting duck.

What kind of war? Class war? Civil war? Race war?

originally posted by: PeepleAnd our dear leaders would attack, at least some, globally speaking.

It's a good thing Robert Mugabe is dead then.

originally posted by: Tarquin

originally posted by: yuppa
A lot of what the man said was also backed up by witnesses who said craft showing up in the spots and times they were said to show up too.

Forgive me if I don't take that as solid proof. After all it could have been a hoax concocted by more than one person on this forum. Independent witnesses would have to corroborate those sightings. The whole story has echoes of Alternative 3, a British mockumentary purporting to be factual about a brain drain of top scientists relocated to bases on Mars because of an impending ecological disaster.

Perhaps the breakaway civilisation has abandoned Earth because of Third World overpopulation?

WHy hoax? It dont make sense to do so here. You ever hear of the 70/30 rule? That applies to the RK story. If even 30 percent is true that still great news in the long run. ALso How better to hide something than in plain sight? It easily fools people because they say its crazy to just be out showing it off right?

You are brand new around here,and forgive me but i trust the people here who witnessed them over a unknown everyday of the week.

originally posted by: yuppa
WHy hoax? It dont make sense to do so here. You ever hear of the 70/30 rule? That applies to the RK story. If even 30 percent is true that still great news in the long run. ALso How better to hide something than in plain sight? It easily fools people because they say its crazy to just be out showing it off right?

The entire history of UFOs is full of proven hoaxes. The 98/2 rule might be safer ground.

originally posted by: yuppa
You are brand new around here,and forgive me but i trust the people here who witnessed them over a unknown everyday of the week.

So you trust some people you've never met and don't really know over another person you've never met and do not know.

a reply to: Tarquin

I called it war and think it's pretty obvious I meant the hypothetical scenario of what'd have happened if all locations etc would have been accurate.

It could be 100% fictional, that's true. It could be and at the same time introduce you like I said to new ways of thinking about things.
It doesn't even matter.
It matters even less if you get it or not. I didn't for a long time either. So you'll find really nobody with the need to convince you of anything in that regards.


Sooo: okay *shrugs

a reply to: Tarquin

Wrong buddy. i KNOW them because ive talked with them. You? not so much. doubt you will be here a month.

a reply to: Tarquin

At some point, applying logic points out that the narrative (that is a literature term) is not “normal”. Our host keeps pointing out the 60/40 rule that astr0 used in the OP we are talking about.

That means that there is a “meta narrative” happening. And that conversation has been verified by different members at different times. And the narrative, regardless of where you place it on your scale, means there appears to be serious truth there!

Having seen a silent triangle craft drop from LEO and circle around my hometown, I am a believer that at the very least, we have superior, bad ass, technology that negates all the 50/60 aircraft and damn near anything that pushes air through an engine. We have been to the near stars looking for life and, supposedly, only found primordial ooze.

So a “breakaway society” is my sticking point because we still see triangles hanging around cories and military installations! Or, as I contend, they haven’t broken away very far.

And that leaves the metanarrative open.

Most of my posts are about science “catching up” to the triangles. And I am on the outside looking in.

But the hints are there. Which opens the discussion instead of trying to use logic on a portion of the past that has already happened (this is a long thread, pushing 10 years since the astr0 post we are still wondering about!)

I say, relax! Enjoy the ride. Expand what you thought was possible and impossible. Because ten years slip by really fast!!

originally posted by: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
We have been to the near stars looking for life and, supposedly, only found primordial ooze.

There can no empirical way of vouching for the veracity of this but it does tally with my own thoughts that we are very much alone in this universe (excluding exotic unicellular organisms which may be ubiquitous). I've always had sympathy with the Rare Earth hypothesis and have never favoured the extraterrestrial hypothesis in relation to the UFO problem.

a reply to: Tarquin

but it does tally with my own thoughts that we are very much alone in this universe (excluding exotic unicellular organisms which may be ubiquitous)

wow me and explain to me by what mechanism that stagnation hurdle works, and why it applies to the universe but not on Earth?

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

2032-2036 or a little before is their last days in the solar system. they almost ready to leave. said it will be a big show.

there is no "over population" on this planet and there never will be. if you believe in "overpopulation" then you need to stop posting and read .. a lot. some of us have been on here pushing 2 decades and have gotten to trust each other over those years. you , on the other hand, seem like you stumbled into ATS and thought you would try to flex even though you are decades behind.

there are a few sayings i go by.. maybe yo should reflect on them..

"better to remain silent and be though a fool then to opens ones mouth and remove all doubt"

also

"lurk moar"

originally posted by: Another_Nut
there is no "over population" on this planet and there never will be. if you believe in "overpopulation" then you need to stop posting and read .. a lot. some of us have been on here pushing 2 decades and have gotten to trust each other over those years. you , on the other hand, seem like you stumbled into ATS and thought you would try to flex even though you are decades behind.

Anyone who thinks overpopulation is not a problem are deluded or an economist. Infinite growth in a finite environment of limited resources is impossible.

You and the clique you belong to have been at this for decades yet still have nothing concrete that would pass peer review. The very notion of a breakaway civilisation is idealistic tosh. In reality the classified technology a military has is probably not much more advanced than what is publicly known about.

These black triangles are more likely a weird meteorological phenomenon.

a reply to: Tarquin

Anyone who thinks overpopulation is not a problem are deluded or an economist. Infinite growth in a finite environment of limited resources is impossible.

Well, I can think of several people who might benefit the environment by disappearing ... but in reality I'd have to include myself in that equation of subtraction, too.

You are likely correct about the big black triangles being just odd meteorological phenomena ... thanks for the insight and now I can throw away this silly affair and go back to navigating the post modern hellscape! Yay.

originally posted by: Tarquin

originally posted by: Another_Nut
there is no "over population" on this planet and there never will be. if you believe in "overpopulation" then you need to stop posting and read .. a lot. some of us have been on here pushing 2 decades and have gotten to trust each other over those years. you , on the other hand, seem like you stumbled into ATS and thought you would try to flex even though you are decades behind.

Anyone who thinks overpopulation is not a problem are deluded or an economist. Infinite growth in a finite environment of limited resources is impossible.

You and the clique you belong to have been at this for decades yet still have nothing concrete that would pass peer review. The very notion of a breakaway civilisation is idealistic tosh. In reality the classified technology a military has is probably not that much more advanced than what is publicly known about. Their is a roof in the limit of human knowledge and I think we hit it in the 40s/50s.

These black triangles are more likely a weird meteorological phenomenon.

there is no "overpopulation"

no matter how much you rage for it.. its not happening nor will it happen. there is no such thing as infinite growth.

He conservatively expects the global population to decrease by one billion people from its peak by the end of this century based on research from the Gates Foundation, and adds that working populations in Italy, Spain, and Greece will drop by more than half while Poland, Portugal, Romania, Japan, and China will all lose up to two-thirds of their labor force.

you absolute moron

you moron part 2

originally posted by: Another_Nutthere is no "overpopulation"

You know just because you keep saying there is no overpopulation doesn't mean there isn't. Have you read An Essay on the Principle of Population by Malthus? He elucidated the asymmetry between fecundity and amelioration. Birthrates are declining in many economically developed countries but exponentially increasing in the Third World. Third World dysgenic mass immigration will compensate for the birthrate deficit in developed countries. This will precipitate another population explosion and also probably an increase in crime.

Then there is the environmental argument for human overpopulation. We have encroached upon the natural habitat of virtually every other species on this planet which has caused an unparalleled loss of biodiversity. Even Sir David Attenborough has warned of the dangers of overpopulation. The great American ecologist Garrett Hardin was perhaps the most eloquent of the Neo-Malthusians.

Presumably your breakaway civilisation share the same concern as they seem to be in no hurry to migrate the human races to the extrasolar worlds.

originally posted by: Baddogma
You are likely correct about the big black triangles being just odd meteorological phenomena ...

If they are indeed a rare meteorological phenomenon I'd like to know more about it. I can't accept there is anyone inside such bizarre apparitions pulling levers and what not.

originally posted by: Tarquin

originally posted by: Another_Nutthere is no "overpopulation"

no matter how much you rage for it.. its not happening nor will it happen. there is no such thing as infinite growth.

You know just because you say there is no overpopulation doesn't mean there isn't. Have you read An Essay on the Principle of Population by Malthus? He elucidated the asymmetry between fecundity and amelioration. Birthrates are declining in many economically developed countries but exponentially increasing in the Third World. Third World dysgenic mass immigration will make up for the birthrate deficit in developed countries. This will precipitate another population explosion and also probably an increase in crime.

Then there is the environmental argument for human overpopulation. We have encroached upon the natural habitat of virtually every other species on this planet which has cussed an unparalleled loss of biodiversity. Even the great Sir David Attenborough has warned of the dangers of the overpopulation. I might also advise you to read the great American ecologist Garrett Hardin.

Presumably your breakaway civilisation share the same concern as they seem to be no hurry to initiate mass interstellar migration of the human races to the extrasolar worlds.

there is no overpopulation.. we are in a population decline. thats fact and nothing you say can change that fact.

keep raging though.

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but you keep singing those silly "overpopulation" songs from the 90s . lol

What does Kelly Pretty Bear have to say about all this?

Where I think Astr0 went wrong is the hackneyed artificial intelligence trope and the five pillars of humanity rot. Just having a breakaway faction of humanity who have mastered interstellar travel would have sufficed without having to introduce a convoluted subplot about ancient astronaut humans. It undermines its authenticity and is much less poetic than if this breakaway faction was trailblazing an empty universe alone and devoid of all life except primordial sludge.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

2032-2036 or a little before is their last days in the solar system. they almost ready to leave. said it will be a big show.

What a load of cobblers.

originally posted by: Tarquin

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

2032-2036 or a little before is their last days in the solar system. they almost ready to leave. said it will be a big show.

What a load of cobblers.

Just repeating what the guy who was verified numerous times about triangle sightings told me. If nothing happens between those times,then we know it was made up,but until then you dont have proof it ISNT true.