Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268



no one looks up anymore and in major cities your lucky to see ONE star

i live out in the middle of nowhere and i can see the milky way with my own eyes.

I have had 2 orb experiences, One when i was a kid and one when i was an adult, strangely i was never scared


When i saw a BT a little too close than i would have liked but it gave me a very very good look at it and whatever secret sauce is in these craft is something very special and a US contractor or contractors or hiding earth changing tech from us because the pursuit of a better machine knows no limits(to some people).


Disclosure has happened we just haven't been should CLEAR pictures not fuzzed out by the DoD in post.
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the only thing the US Government hasn't admitted to or shown is an alien, maybe the aliens they found were a little to human looking.


My real concern is that all these programs that are so black they are essentially in a black hole and has slipped its collar so to speak and the contractors scooped it up and no not matter what you try to FOIA they will say no data as it is in a private companies position and no longer theirs.


i don't think who ever is in control of some of these craft have our(humans) best interest in mind. Maybe the gov doest say any7thing because the truth is so awful that it really would be globally destabilizing

image we find out we are a meat product like cows for certain aliens and up until recently there was not much anyone could do to stop the incursions and kidnappings

a reply to: OrangeOrbs

Welcome to ATS OrangeOrbs, and ol' BD's enduring thread.

When i saw a BT a little too close than i would have liked but it gave me a very very good look at it and whatever secret sauce is in these craft is something very special

Aye, Ive noticed too that they like give folks a very good look at the techology when they want to. Like saying "we are here". But only enough to not let the cat all the way out of the bag. That implies a limit to what they think is safe to do.

But what could be so terrible that they have to keep it secret?

In world war two occupied Europe lived with everyone being a potential informer, and the fear of the secret police knocking on the door. People disappeared in the night and no one knew who would be next.

People would very quickly get used to triangular aircraft in the sky. I watched a British Vulcan bomber fly very low over my house in the 1960s, that was really impressive.

image we find out we are a meat product like cows for certain aliens and up until recently there was not much anyone could do to stop the incursions and kidnappings

Now that is an interesting thing to say. Of late I've had a mild interest in the cattle mutilations and largely come to the conclusion most of that is done to keep a certain fear in the background of people's mind. Like a trump card up the sleeve. The implication is the "aliens" are portrayed as evil forva purpose, as a scape goat.

I would not so much as bat an eyelid to learn the people who have the invisible technology of BBTUFOs also are behind the cattle mutilations. People's worst nightmare is the idea of something one cannot see and cannot stop entering one's home any time at all, and doing whatever it wants to do.

up until recently there was not much anyone could do to stop the incursions and kidnappings

That is a very interesting thing to say.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

It is a very odd behavior for TOP SECRET likely at the highest levels of classification some of these aircraft are sure to enjoy but all the money and what not spent on security seems like someone is breaking the rules when you catch one off guard or maybe someone just cant help them selves to give a lone car a show.

who's going to believe them.

I think most of the mutes out there are the military or DOE mongering they nuclear waste the blasted all over the South West, from shot like GAS BUGGY

until POTUS Clinton apologized for radiation experiments they denied even their own reports MK ULTA like deflection.


the space age(first German V-2 to leave out atmosphear) is almost 100 years old., thats alot of time and if you are given a facility and a blank checj and maybe some military or contractor supplied items to copy or make work.

We are in the era of DEW's and real nasty partical beam like weapons out there, or maybe just hitting said craft with millions of watts of RADAR power might make them crash.

Personally the government wouldnt be so open all of a sudden if there wasn't a way to protect ourselves be it craft or DEW's and possibly things we cant even imagine.

If you take Bob Lazar at his word he held a gravity wave guide, and in the past month we have found the so called gravitational background noise, much like the radio back ground map WMAP.

a Gravity weapon would be check mate essentially, crushing bunkers with no bombs, collapsing ICBM silos etc and


we are the kids and there for deemed not worth of sitting with the adult's apparently.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

As far as us being meat products, I'd guess we're a more insubstantial commodity.

Either way, it's difficult to ignore some flavor of darkness working in the peripheral... though some plain ol' humans have proven to be terrible in a reliable way.

It's interesting- and I try to combat my own pessimism- but whether it's fake hostile aliens or real ones, the truth of the matter is that some humans have denied their kind and joined cliques to the detriment of the majority. Some evil superpower is almost irrelevant after that. If you can't trust your fellow dna lines, then... ?

a reply to: Baddogma

Come on BD, dont be so pesimestic. Trust in ones fellow man has always been a scarce commodity.

Think back to your school days. Did you know well enough to trust ALL the kids in your class?

What we have are limited webs of trust.

a reply to: OrangeOrbs

It is a very odd behavior for TOP SECRET likely at the highest levels of classification some of these aircraft are sure to enjoy but all the money and what not spent on security seems like someone is breaking the rules when you catch one off guard or maybe someone just cant help them selves to give a lone car a show.

Odd? Hmmmm . . .

I pass a European Space Agency satellite dish at New Norcia West Australia on my regular work rounds. One day I watched a solid looking verticle line descend from the sky. A "silver bullet" descended within that line. Impact would have been within a thousand yards in farm land. No dust or anything like that.

That is saying "we are here". Maybe a shot accross the bow, who knows. The line puts the origin directly above the ground station.

And yeah, who is going to believe, unless familiar with the technology.

The gravity devices would be a weapon I guess There is talk of this here and there. A weapon against fastwalkers?

So why would one need a weapon against them?

Certainly not us common folk, and those things have probably been around a very long time.

While a gravity weapon might be checkmate. If someone has that techology, then I figure time is the real cherry atop the cake.

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268
a reply to: OrangeOrbs

It is a very odd behavior for TOP SECRET likely at the highest levels of classification some of these aircraft are sure to enjoy but all the money and what not spent on security seems like someone is breaking the rules when you catch one off guard or maybe someone just cant help them selves to give a lone car a show.

Odd? Hmmmm . . .

I pass a European Space Agency satellite dish at New Norcia West Australia on my regular work rounds. One day I watched a solid looking verticle line descend from the sky. A "silver bullet" descended within that line. Impact would have been within a thousand yards in farm land. No dust or anything like that.

That is saying "we are here". Maybe a shot accross the bow, who knows. The line puts the origin directly above the ground station.

And yeah, who is going to believe, unless familiar with the technology.

The gravity devices would be a weapon I guess There is talk of this here and there. A weapon against fastwalkers?

So why would one need a weapon against them?

Certainly not us common folk, and those things have probably been around a very long time.

While a gravity weapon might be checkmate. If someone has that techology, then I figure time is the real cherry atop the cake.

Uh yeah.. i might had been responsible for the gravity bombs creation...DARPA was really interested in the idea,and i sent them a simplified design. uses a tiny bit of anti matter to essentially create a mini black hole that increases local gravity on a object 100 fold. sorry bout that.

a reply to: yuppa

BAD yuppa!

I might add that I doubt I could stomach time travel. I wouldn't be sble to walk past a dying kid in the street without bringing it back with me.

Just the thought of trying to enrole them in school when they only speak middle English, and no believable explanation how I happen to obtain them might make things difficult. Beaurocrats have no sense of humour.

What if one were to bring back some bottles of 1,000 year old scotch wiskey, and mint condition old master paintings, that might smooth the way.

Who knows, maybe time travel is as absurdly simple as realising time travels at different speeds through different gravity wells. Like light travels slower in water than in air or a vaccuum.

Though come to think of it, Dr Who did enjoy a string of young and attractive girls on his travels. Maybe a blond pommie sheila could be fun. i like accents.

Nope, no one in their right mind would leave me alone for a minute with a time machine.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

True about earned trust and reality, but this instance is a tad different. We have lucky lottery winners enjoying (to various degrees) a truer reality than their peers. It's fraternal feudalism and we really can't make judgements because we are kept as ignorant slaves.

And the last(ish) Doc Who was a girl, btw. Get with it gramps.

a reply to: Baddogma

And the last(ish) Doc Who was a girl, btw. Get with it gramps

That would be awkward if he met up with the adorable Rose Tyler again.

Geez, did the ol' Doc push the wrong button or something. This is why we need to service machines regularly.

The secret squirrel club with their toys. Yeah I know, they are keeping the lolly bag to themselves. But it is "national security" and every one falls for that one.

I would suggest the "aliens" are no real threat to the common man and his family. If anything threatens the "aliens" it is probably the technology developed, deployed and used.

That simply means the "haves" made themselves the "aliens" enemy, and not the "have nots".

The question is: If there really are evil aliens who now threaten everyone, why weren't the aliens a threat two hundred years ago?

What changed?

Obviously, it is a section of humanity that became a threat to someone else.

That is of course, if the evil aliens exist at all.

In that scenario, the common man hasnt a target painted on his back. It is the secret squirrel club in the cross hairs.

Still, they might get everyone killed one day.



On a slightly more serious note, my opinion on the matter of secrecy is fairly simple.

So what if someone mines asteroids, gold might become so cheap we can all have gold taps in the bathroom.

I've given a lot of thought to time travel. Would I go back and stop Alice's rape and murder?

Well up until recently I would have until someone pointed out that since that time Alice has a new afterlife life. Her own matternity hospital where the reincarnation beaurocrats have no presence nor control. Alice loves her new role in charge of who is born and who is not. I have changed and learned things too.

If I went back and saved her, so much would be lost.

So what good is time travel?

Now if we could view the past, we could solve rapes and murders, great for revenge oops, I mean justice.

But that only works if the time viewer is the only one who has the machine and dispenses judgement.

If everyone could view time it would be the case of let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

The defense would automatically put the judge and prosection on trail to see if they are truely without sin.

Cant have the elite's sins on public display can we now, thus the secrecy.

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

well I wasnt exacly sane at the time i requested a trip back either. grief and anger tend to cloud ones judgement. But yeah,owning up to ones mistakes also helps a bit,but still wish i didnt let that one out the bottle to DARPA. And since im not in the future anymore I cant correct that until i head back after this bodies death. OR maybe i can leave my future relative a note telling them to not give them that information. Aggh...dam time travel rules give me a headache.

a reply to: yuppa

Personally I think revenge is a part of being human. I would still go back and find certain people if I had the chance.

Though now with the passage if time, I would temper what I did with what has happened since.

Time and optics are a thing. That gravity is a lens for time is the secret I understand. Like ol Issac Newton working out the mechanics of prisms and mirrors, the equivalant still needs to be done.

On memory issues, it would be wise to be careful in the programming of what is remembered. Not an exact science is it.

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268
a reply to: yuppa

Personally I think revenge is a part of being human. I would still go back and find certain people if I had the chance.

Though now with the passage if time, I would temper what I did with what has happened since.

Time and optics are a thing. That gravity is a lens for time is the secret I understand. Like ol Issac Newton working out the mechanics of prisms and mirrors, the equivalant still needs to be done.

On memory issues, it would be wise to be careful in the programming of what is remembered. Not an exact science is it.

well i fixed the issue of who i wanted to get back at,by simply not helping them. My lack of assitance changed the outcome,but in turn created a new issue. y a know the phrase when you seek revenge dig two graves correct? well i got a feeling my temper has shortened this bodies life span a bit. Its breaking down due to the strain of swapping out with a past relative. spines all messed up, knees go out from time to time causing a fall,carpal tunnel, gout. Thats the price it seems.

And yeah,writing code is easy,except when translating it to the past.

a reply to: yuppa

So the saying goes. Not doing a thing is not the same as doing a thing. It is muddy waters.

With Alice and I, in the time Alice disappeared before she died, certain folk "upstairs" went silent and blocked my investigation. I will never forgive them for that, and refuse to cooperate still.

It was a third party that interveined and linked me back to Alice.

I guess it is up to the individual, and to pay the cost. But if I had to do it again, along with 10+ years of hell, well I think Alice is worth it and I would. "Upstairs" didnt give a crap about one kid dying in their greater cause. That cost them dearly.

So dig three graves.

It is a murky subject.

Gout? Hmmm. Let me think here.

a reply to: yuppa

And yeah,writing code is easy,except when translating it to the past.

A similar thing to going forward, like in kid not understanding modern language. The culture shock too, would be there. The cultural influences too.

In the bringing a dying kid back from the past to the now, there is a psychological correspondance with us being taken by greys as children. Wednesday pointed it out.

They use trauma as a tool, and Wednesday did remark it is kinder that way.

In memory work on Alice in the early days, there was a huge conflict in the idea of erasing the trauma events from memiry completely. We would also have to erase the few years of being together and everything that happened. The choice for Alice was she would never know me. We didnt go through with it.

So another difficult subject in practice.

I can well relate that memory work is messy. Not even the greys can do it seamlessly . I reckon the cracks we notice cause a lot of trouble.

originally posted by: NewNobodySpecial268
a reply to: yuppa

So the saying goes. Not doing a thing is not the same as doing a thing. It is muddy waters.

With Alice and I, in the time Alice disappeared before she died, certain folk "upstairs" went silent and blocked my investigation. I will never forgive them for that, and refuse to cooperate still.

It was a third party that interveined and linked me back to Alice.

I guess it is up to the individual, and to pay the cost. But if I had to do it again, along with 10+ years of hell, well I think Alice is worth it and I would. "Upstairs" didnt give a crap about one kid dying in their greater cause. That cost them dearly.

So dig three graves.

It is a murky subject.

Gout? Hmmm. Let me think here.

Well not doing what i did the first time around,lead to the demise of the person causing the issue. Say for example you could go back and stop hitler with a shot right? This was a similiar situation. Yes i saved many lives doing so but i still had to effectively get rid of the person who had not done anything wrong yet. So in effect my price is a shortened life span.
was it worth it? If my darling gets to live a full life,yeah.

I suspect the people upstairs cant keep their hands off anything related to time,or aliens. Strange thing is..they KNOW what is going to happen to them but still proceed.

a reply to: yuppa

Ahh, a similar position.

Aye, the Hitler scenario is not a simple one for obvious reasons.

A judgement call, protecting loved ones is all we can do in practice.

suspect the people upstairs cant keep their hands off anything related to time,or aliens. Strange thing is..they KNOW what is going to happen to them but still proceed.

I know, what is with that?

a reply to: NewNobodySpecial268

Maybe the ones upstairs want a instrumentality for real?

a reply to: yuppa

Dunno yuppa. This morning I just come up blank.

a reply to: yuppa

Went shopping and cleared my head.

"Instrumentality", the homogenization of individual human consciousness into one, has been ongoing since the introduction of the monotheistic thinking.

That went hand in hand with all the culling of seers (psychics) from the human herd. The seers are the real threat to instrumentality. They are the ones who can see straight through lies.

The religions did the early culling and laid down the dogma. Science is a progression there in the relay. Science is also giving us AI and the big cities while depopulating the rural.

Throw in a one world religion and one world government under control of one computer network and we start to see instrumentality becoming possible when they extinguish the individual thinking completely.

The reincarnation beaurocracy decides who is born and who is not. They are not all powerful. Alice's maternity hospital where the culled dead seer kids are now being born again proved that to me.

All we needed was a 'big and ugly friend' to watch over the project to keep the PTB away. That is "Clover" (DP-2147?) and the threat of a "Cloverfield scenario" by the way yuppa. That recent development surprised the heck out of me.

So indtrumentality seems to be a thing in the scheme of things.

The wild card seems to me to be time.

Back in the 1960s/1970s New Zealand author Bruce Cathie did a lot of work on harmonics and UFOs.

In one of his books he said the discovery of element 108 would be the key to time. That probably means someone has a TV set with a date dial next to the channel dial.

That brings us to "CERN and Steins:Gate".

I stay away from CERN out of politeness and because there was help from that direction for my deceased kids when I needed it most. From that one can deduce that instrumentality and time are not exclusively the same group. Probably not is my opinion.

The other area I stay right away from is the "Missing 411".

I understand that "cattle mutilations" are the work of the same group, or perhaps a subsiduary, of the 411s. Where the 411 is the testing of technology upon random people.

The same as any technology developement. The developement phase using "test subjects" will always horrify people. So it is vitally important to keep things under wraps until the finished prototype is ready for production use. If indeed it is ever let known it exists.

The BBTUFOs could be unvieled one day. I cant see any real reason why not.

Antigravity and invisibility is one thing. Invisibile battleships appearing out of nowhere is a frieghtening idea. So is the idea that there is no such thing as privacy. Even worse is the idea of people disappearing at any given time or place.

In this scenario, where time and temporal technology exists, one would have to have a very disciplined and controlled society. The smaller the better in the first practical sense.

That reminds me of the hackneyed phrase "you are not ready yet" often said in connection to the aliens. That may translate into "you dont yet have complete control over your people to have this technology".

That is if the aliens dangle time technology like a carot on a stick.

Now in the scenario of 'ALICCE and Relearned Knowledge', or simply just developing the technology on one's own without help, the same problem would be there: how do we keep control?