Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: yuppa

sometimes a dream is just a dream, i can honestly say the few reoccuring dreams i have are very very realistic and obviously stick with me. but how much of the dreams are influenced by my general interest in esoteric things..i dont know but it no doubt has an effect.

one of my only other relevant dreams that im willing to share is a short one but again as with the other dreams ive had this one allot but ive had this one before coming to ATS.

my mom and i are standing in her house looking out a window and again its dusk/night time and she is telling me to get away from the window and all i can do is say no and im pointing to what appears to be stars.

my mom comes to my side and then i feel a strange sensation, almost like electricity run thru my body and i look back out the window and there are three triangles headed right towards me. and in that moment i know they are coming for me and i'll have to go.

my mom seems frightened but not upset.

the triangles are very close now.

i wake up. happens the same way every time i can never change the events and i always wake up at the same time.

ive had that dream for ALONG time, what does it mean(nothing most likely)? in the modern age that we find ourselves in it is impossible to say you haven't seen a ufo show/book/movie.


to much noise to signal ratio, even if there was a message it gets lost in the dreamscape.

a reply to: penroc3

Perhaps one could look at things from their point of view.

What do humans usually do when they find a really special place in the forrest?

Can one really blame the little folk for getting a human lost or tricking them to protect a precious thing from exploitation?

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Baddogma

the triangles exist. i have never seen miles long craft but triangles nonetheless with extreme 'flight' characteristics.

i say 'flight' because it isn't aerodynamic flight as the public understands it.


i think you hit the nail on the head, IF there were users here with strange sightings they would self identify themselves, and if it was a op then you can get their i.p and watch these people and see what they share with others.

i think there was allot of truth in his story, but the best way to get someone to believe a lie you have to sandwich it between two truths

I wanted to add my perspective that from an engineering point of view, with black triangles as neutral buoyancy craft, the bigger the triangle the better for some applications. I've done some looking at the concept and crunched a few of the numbers.

A triangle with a 10m base and a 10m length, from memory works out to a few hundred pounds of payload or something like that probably, using fairly conventional equipment to build it and make it go. This is just rough figuring on my part, and lighter weight materials could improve efficiency.

I think a 20m triangle would possibly give you a few tons of payload. I'll be posting some figures once I get around to figuring it again. When you get up to a 50m wide by 50m long triangle, you've got some serious airlifting capacity. A 100m wide by 100m long triangle dirigible should be able to lift hundreds of tons, or at least a few dozen tons. Should be more than 50 tons, with a 100m triangle.

Of course they are usually observed to be equilateral triangles and not isocoles triangles, but that's beside the point that bigger is better for some things. You could move a lot of stuff around with a big dirigible like that, like an army, or a bunch of tanks, or well just about anything I'd guess...

Just from this I have no trouble believing the big ones are real. A few of those in your hangar would be pretty handy lifters to have around. A few loaded up with autoguns and howitzer ala Puff The Magic Dragon would be fearsome weapons, even without laser beams or whatever. Anyway, bigger can certainly be better as triangles go, you can bet they've got a few big ones out there.

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

the one i saw yards away at rooftop level was about the size if a F-16 length wise and was equilateral.

it looked like it was pinned to the air, it did not drift in the air currents and rotated on a single point. on one of the rotations i saw the top of it. it was like a squashed pyramid, if that makes sense. the side were all even but the thickness was not.


my fri4end and i were driving and i was saw a bright light that looked like a helicopter or aircraft VERY low and i called my friend attention to it because i was certain if it was a airplane it was going to crash .


i took a turn on a street(i wasnt chasing it) and there it was hovering over a intersection in a residential area. i pulled over and got out to get a better look, my buddy was flipping out telling me to get in the car obviously i wasn't going to do that, he chased me and grabbed my arm and tried to get me to come back and i was like "just look!"

i kick myself to this day because i had my phone on me and it never even entered my mind until it left.

when it left it didn't pitch or yaw. just straight up and silently away so fast if i blinked i would have missed it.


take that for whatever its worth, i know lifting bodys can have hard shells on them, but this didnt reflect light from the street lights that were right next to it.

kind of spooky to be honest, after it left i was probably standing there with my mouth on the ground, i saw a man walking his dog and he waved at me and i walked over to him and was asked if he saw it.

he told me he did but would never tell anyone...and he kept walking.

a reply to: penroc3

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

a reply to: Kandinsky
On the whole gnome thing the Henry Hudson and The Catskill Gnomes legend is pertinent:

Hudson realized that these creatures were the metal-working gnomes of whom the natives had spoken. One of the bushy-bearded chaps spotted the explorer and his men and welcomed them with a cheer. The short men surrounded the crew and drew them into the firelight and the dance. Hudson and his men were delighted with these strange, small creatures, and with the hard liquor that the gnomes had brewed. Long into the night, the men drank and played nine-pins with the gnomes while Henry Hudson sipped at a single glass of spirits and spoke with the chief of the gnomes about many deep and mysterious things.

Realizing at last how late it was, Hudson looked around for his men. At first, he couldn't locate them. All he saw were large groups of gnomes, laughing and joking as they sprawled around the fire. Then, to his astonishment, he recognized several of the gnomes as his crewmen! They had undergone a transformation. Their heads had swollen to twice their normal size, their eyes were small and pig-like, and their bodies had shortened until they were only a little taller than the gnomes themselves.

Hudson was alarmed, and asked the chief of the gnomes for an explanation. It was, the chief explained to Hudson, the effect of the magical hard liquor the gnomes brewed. It would wear off when the liquor did. Hudson wasn't sure that he believed the little man. Afraid of what else might happen to him and his crewman if they continued to linger in such company, Hudson hurriedly took his leave of the gnomes and hustled his severely drunken crewmen back to the Half Moon. The entire crew slept late into the morning, as if they were under the influence of a sleeping draught. When they awakened, the crewmen who had accompanied Hudson up into the Catskill Mountains, aside from ferocious headaches, were back to normal.

...

Every twenty years, the spirits of Henry Hudson and his crew returned to the Catskill Mountains to play nine-pins with the gnomes, and to look out over the country they had first explored together on the Half Moon. Now and then, one of the Dutch settlers living in the region came across the spirits as they played nine-pins. They claimed that any man foolish enough to drink of the spirits' magic liquor would sleep from the moment the spirits departed the mountain to the day they returned, twenty years later. Most folks discounted the story, although several members of Rip Van Winkle's family swore it was true. True or false, wise folks who walk among the Catskills in September do not accept a drink of liquor when it is offered to them. Just in case.

americanfolklore.net...

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

i live in upstate NY and have heard many tales of such things.

it might be nice to live with them if you had no attachments to this world. i wouldn't mind getting drunk in the woods with a crew of jolly little guys.

faires on the other hand originally were not at all like tinkerbell and were quite nasty

a reply to: penroc3

My sighting was of a similar sized triangle(F-16ish), white lights toward the tips and a light under the center of the fuselage. It sure didn't look or fly like a balloon. It was flying in airlanes, though much lower, and just cruising along like any plane might be. Faint turbine noise, cockpit, the lights were shining out of openings at the tips on the underside. It wasn't just a straight sided triangle as I recall, but roughly triangular in shape. Surface was not shiny, but not extra dark or anything, just a matte finish. May 2002, central California. Two other witnesses were with me who also saw it. I mostly saw it from the rear flying away, maybe five or ten seconds, though the other witnesses saw it pass from horizon until it was blocked by housetops after passing directly overhead. They said the pilot tipped a wing to us, though I missed that part. I only caught sight of it as it passed overhead.

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

hmm interesting, sighting like yours make me think a bit more than the black triangles because whatever you saw, as far as you know was manned.

secret projects are more tantalizing to me because i have not seen many with my own eyes, and i want to know all that i can.

being an aviation nerd its hard not to get excited when someone says they have seen a manned unknown aircraft.


the lights on the one i saw were not point light sources, it was like the points of the triangle themselves were glowing almost the same color of Cherenkov radiation but much more intense.

Cherenkov radiation

it had the same airglow and 'look' if you will. the only other light was a red light on the top

originally posted by: TheBadCabbie

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Baddogma

the triangles exist. i have never seen miles long craft but triangles nonetheless with extreme 'flight' characteristics.

i say 'flight' because it isn't aerodynamic flight as the public understands it.


i think you hit the nail on the head, IF there were users here with strange sightings they would self identify themselves, and if it was a op then you can get their i.p and watch these people and see what they share with others.

i think there was allot of truth in his story, but the best way to get someone to believe a lie you have to sandwich it between two truths

I wanted to add my perspective that from an engineering point of view, with black triangles as neutral buoyancy craft, the bigger the triangle the better for some applications. I've done some looking at the concept and crunched a few of the numbers.

A triangle with a 10m base and a 10m length, from memory works out to a few hundred pounds of payload or something like that probably, using fairly conventional equipment to build it and make it go. This is just rough figuring on my part, and lighter weight materials could improve efficiency.

I think a 20m triangle would possibly give you a few tons of payload. I'll be posting some figures once I get around to figuring it again. When you get up to a 50m wide by 50m long triangle, you've got some serious airlifting capacity. A 100m wide by 100m long triangle dirigible should be able to lift hundreds of tons, or at least a few dozen tons. Should be more than 50 tons, with a 100m triangle.

Of course they are usually observed to be equilateral triangles and not isocoles triangles, but that's beside the point that bigger is better for some things. You could move a lot of stuff around with a big dirigible like that, like an army, or a bunch of tanks, or well just about anything I'd guess...

Just from this I have no trouble believing the big ones are real. A few of those in your hangar would be pretty handy lifters to have around. A few loaded up with autoguns and howitzer ala Puff The Magic Dragon would be fearsome weapons, even without laser beams or whatever. Anyway, bigger can certainly be better as triangles go, you can bet they've got a few big ones out there.

You are forgetting a piece of tech in the triangles. their field they generate removes the attraction gravity exerts on anything inside it. in effect nearly infinite carry weight.

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Perhaps one can look at these things as one does human society.

The outcome depends on the intentions of those whom one sits down with to drink.

If one wanders into a bar full of vacuum cleaner salesmen, one will walk out short a pocket full of cash and a new vacuum cleaner.

With the gnomes it would be a case of caveat emptor. So too humans fairies ETs and RK'ers.

Everyone has an agenda one might suggest.

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

Neutral buoyancy is definitely mixed up in this. Somehow. And once you have that capability you might ask yourself "can we use these to sneak into space, cheaply?" With some funding maybe you can.

And then why would you not..

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

My great grandmother used to tell my mother about an encounter she and my great grandfather had with "little people" acting silly around a stream in a forest.

Just as a curiosity, why would it be important not to look at them? Any insights?

Don't want to derail, but since gnomes came up...

a reply to: beetee

Phoenix sighting?

a reply to: penroc3

faires on the other hand originally were not at all like tinkerbell and were quite nasty

Perhaps if one has done something to upset them. Like chop down their favorite tree or pollute the air with EM radiation.

Why would one assume them to be friendly?

Wood-nymphs are wood-nymphs.

a reply to: beetee

Just as a curiosity, why would it be important not to look at them? Any insights?

I didn't know one wasn't supposed to look at them.

But it stands to reason they found out that there was a human who could see them, well it would attract their curiosity. Humans are dangerous so they might want to make sure the humans don't follow them home.

Just like the big city, people gotta be cautious of strangers.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

lol.

being a friendly type i assume most intelligent creatures to be so as well unless in danger.

i think in iceland they cant move boulders because of the elves or gnomes living in the rocks

a reply to: penroc3

being a friendly type i assume most intelligent creatures to be so as well unless in danger

Smile, such neivity . . . .

Let me put it this way:


They know what humans are capable of doing. Humanity is not a harmless folk. We destroy the natural world as a species.

Now we know what a lion is capable of, and we give them a wide birth. That is the intellegent thing to do. We don't assume that a lion may be harmless.

The fairy folk and Orb UFOs for that matter, are not big on theorizing. They watch and observe human behavior and act appropriately.

What matters to them is not words but actions. What we do and not what we say.

Perhaps the only reason I get on with the fairy folk is because I protect them from humans and have rescued them from magicians countless times. Put your exisance on the line for them and word gets around that there is an "odd" human about. Some get curious in a freindly tinkerbell way.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

funny you bring up orbs and animals.

animals and i have always gotten along just fine, sometimes better than i do with humans. that is besides the point


i was at a camping trip with my friends family and my GF and dog. this dog i took as my own after i saw his abusive owner(old friend) hit him and kick him. i was like im taking the dog and if you have a problem we can fight or call the cops, the dog came with me without me even calling his name. he was a larger putbul super sweet dog and i felt like we had a real bond, he would protect me from people he didnt like or that raised their voice to me.

ANYWAY

after a long day of socializing and drinking we were going to turn in for the night, mind you its me the dog and my gf in a 4 person tent and im 6'3 220lbs. so i was like im taking the dog for a quick walk(so he can do his business and i can smoke my cigarettes).

it was a very nice august night clear skies, very little wind and cool. we were walking down a path and the dog is doing his thing and i lit a cigarette. next thing i know the dog is glued to my side sitting, strange.

and i tried to get him to come along, he wouldn't budge so i was like fine we'll sit here for a min.

i always look at the stars, and i looked up and i swear to god the cigarette fell out of my mouth. there was a orange basketball sized orb hanging about 4ft above my head, just sitting there. looking like liquid fire for lack of a better term or disciption

looked at it for 30 seconds or so then it just bobbed of in to the trees.

at this point i didnt care if i had to pick the dog up we were leaving, got back to the tent GF was asleep. woke her up and she was like 'yeah, so what' that puzzled me.

but i wasnt going looking for it alone so i just laid in the tent.

a reply to: penroc3

Nice, someone was saying hello : )

Edit

I've not met a small orb and I'm not allowed to enquire why you got that vist (none of my business). But I think it had something to do with that kindness and the willingness to stand up for the weak against the strong.

That counts a lot. Might be why you get visits, a simple act.

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a reply to: BASSPLYR

Could be a candidate if legitimate.
Any slow moving, or stationary, unknown could be. But if you marry neutral buoyancy with a hefty drive, I see no reason why it can't scoot off within reasonable acceleration limits. If you think unmanned those limits will be largely structural, so may seem "outlandish" If the tech is good enough.

I always must smile a little when I look at the "Orbital Ascender" from JP Aerospace. And it started out as a project for the Air Force, if I recall correctly, for a high atmosphere, long endurance, platform.

The way that particular project ended is also curious, with a premature push to test it in winds it was not rated for. According to JP it was the Air Force people who pushed, and then it all.went pear shaped.

And now JP thinks they can "float into space", albeit in two stages.

So...hmmm...

BT