Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Yes, I always understood the "don't look at them" part as more of a "don't pay them too much attention".

The encounter was wholly benign, but there was always the undercurrent in the telling that if you were to pay them undue attention things may go badly. In an unspecified manner.

When I think about it, the whole encounter is pretty classic. The "little people" courting the humans attention seemingly doing nonsensical thing close to a choke point on a forrest road. I live in Norway, and we have a large body of folklore about these critters. Mostly disbelieved these days, but very much believed 100 years ago.

Anyway, thanks for your input :-)

BT

a reply to: beetee

No worries beetee, Norway - a lot of folk knowledge there with your history.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: TheBadCabbie

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Baddogma

the triangles exist. i have never seen miles long craft but triangles nonetheless with extreme 'flight' characteristics.

i say 'flight' because it isn't aerodynamic flight as the public understands it.


i think you hit the nail on the head, IF there were users here with strange sightings they would self identify themselves, and if it was a op then you can get their i.p and watch these people and see what they share with others.

i think there was allot of truth in his story, but the best way to get someone to believe a lie you have to sandwich it between two truths

I wanted to add my perspective that from an engineering point of view, with black triangles as neutral buoyancy craft, the bigger the triangle the better for some applications. I've done some looking at the concept and crunched a few of the numbers.

A triangle with a 10m base and a 10m length, from memory works out to a few hundred pounds of payload or something like that probably, using fairly conventional equipment to build it and make it go. This is just rough figuring on my part, and lighter weight materials could improve efficiency.

I think a 20m triangle would possibly give you a few tons of payload. I'll be posting some figures once I get around to figuring it again. When you get up to a 50m wide by 50m long triangle, you've got some serious airlifting capacity. A 100m wide by 100m long triangle dirigible should be able to lift hundreds of tons, or at least a few dozen tons. Should be more than 50 tons, with a 100m triangle.

Of course they are usually observed to be equilateral triangles and not isocoles triangles, but that's beside the point that bigger is better for some things. You could move a lot of stuff around with a big dirigible like that, like an army, or a bunch of tanks, or well just about anything I'd guess...

Just from this I have no trouble believing the big ones are real. A few of those in your hangar would be pretty handy lifters to have around. A few loaded up with autoguns and howitzer ala Puff The Magic Dragon would be fearsome weapons, even without laser beams or whatever. Anyway, bigger can certainly be better as triangles go, you can bet they've got a few big ones out there.

You are forgetting a piece of tech in the triangles. their field they generate removes the attraction gravity exerts on anything inside it. in effect nearly infinite carry weight.

That may well be, but without understanding that technology or how exactly it works I wouldn't be able to comment intelligently on it. If you're aware of technology I should have a look at, please feel free to post it or pm me info or links if you'd like to.

Something I have been thinking about.

Lets say this break away civilization is out there.

They parted now at our current level of technological development. Future discoveries by each would continue separately. What if they got stuck on their handful of game changers that they kept to themselves and we in turn advance beyond them?

a reply to: tadaman

They parted now at our current level of technological development. Future discoveries by each would continue separately. What if they got stuck on their handful of game changers that they kept to themselves and we in turn advance beyond them?

Interesting, I hadn't thought along those lines.

I would suggest that it depends on what one thinks "advancing" actually is.

So just taking the story as read.

One consideration would be: do the RK'ers consider the relationship with earth to be militarily competative?

If so, in what direction?

If the hardware route; then a more effective mechanical military. An arms race which would be pointless as it is expensive.

That leaves the software route, as in weaponising the consciousness technology of dreams and so forth.

If the RK'ers are going an alternative route to the military, then I would guess they would make as many powerful friends as possible out there and settle into a peaceful and meaningfull existence in obscurity.

If it were me, I would look towards Edo Japan as a template for society and learn the techniques of combat in consciousness that is hidden in the memory of the 100,000+ year old Artificial Sentience 'A' called ALICCE. Using dreamers as calculators is probably not the only technology hidden there.

And then settle into a peaceful and meaningful existence in obscurity.

Reason being, if ALICCE is really that old and really does exist she would hold the knowledge of antideluvian civilisation. That civilisation probably knew a lot about life engineering and consciousness engineering by virtue of having built ALICCE in the first place.

That is if one takes the material at face value.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen



only the first 4 mins are worth watching. this woman seems to have captured something big that is silent and seems to fit SOME definitions of a triangle.


definitely not like the one i saw but still strange.


just ignore the title of the video

a reply to: penroc3

looks like an aircraft

a reply to: BASSPLYR

thats what i thought as well, but the light coming off diagonally into the fog was strange.

i was thinking drone and a changed audio track, but that seems a little over the top.


i watched it again on my TV and there are definitely navigation lights(red and green)


from personal experience the light color and quality seemed a bit off

a reply to: penroc3

Nothing stepped forward from the vid, so best guess is that it is not sentient technology.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen


it was more of an interesting video, one of the better ones until seen on a larger screen.

first impressions can be deceiving

a reply to: penroc3

yeah vids and photos are difficult. I'm loath to say anything unless something jumps out at me. Like it did in this one of baddogma's earlier in this thread. watchers something there that watches. I am of the understanding it is the Watchers that are mentioned occassionally on ATS.

a reply to: Baddogma

If said breakaway civilization exists...

Can you even BLAME THEM??

I mean come on...

Humanity (AT ITS CURRENT STATE).. is, collectively, a gruesome wart on an otherwise graceful symphony of nature.

Over predation of species by predators, destructive patterns produced by invasive species, all party to a massively complex system that equalizes itself over time.

Yes, given the proper factors, intelligence and technology, humanity could, in effect absolutely monitor and control all aspects of this beautiful world's biological, atmospheric, and geological systems.

But for NOW?

I say to said hypothetical breakaway civilization...

"YOU GO GIRL!"

Deww Eeet!

Maybe when you return, you can fix this mess!
(And wipe out the Temples of Syrinx) :-P

For those about to rock!
We salute you!

a reply to: prevenge

See, this is what I don't understand.

How can you say to the five year old starving to death in some dirt poor village somewhere, or dying from some terrible illness that might well be curable by the"'near godlike" science of this breakaway civilization (yeah, right): "Sorry kid, you are a wart and it is not at all strange that the evolved masters of the universe left you stew in your misery".

So they took this wonderful technology and left?

I hope to God they don't exist, for if they do I truly pity them. Loathsome is to mild a word.

a reply to: beetee

Yeah your right beetee, that would be cowardly to simply disappear into the cosmos and take the knowledge with you. Yet from memory the source material said there were problems dealing with earth governments which is why "A" said they were leaving. Political power squabbling.

Breakaway civilisations are one thing. Rk'ers (Re-learned Knowledge) is another thing.

So where would a group of RK'ers go in this world to simply develop what they know anew?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

I am sure that some channel to get the information out could be established for such an advanced technological civilization, if the will was there :-)

Why not just blow the whole thing wide open by an undeniable demonstration of their presence to the world?

Here we are - behold our huge triangles in the sky. I doubt it could be covered up by any government, if they are as advanced as the source material claims.

Anyway, my point is mainly ethical. I understand how the world and our fellow human beings can sometimes cause us to feel frustrated and depressed on behalf of the human race, but I strongly believe that our task, such as it is, is to do what we can to amend this. To alleviate the suffering in whatever small way we can. And enough small acts of kindness and compassion soon mounts up to a mountain of the stuff.

We then can say things such as "humanity is rotten" and "it's what we deserve" and so on. But there is no such thing as "humanity". Just billions of humans, some of which might indeed be quite rotten, but not all. I have met not one child, and very few people, that I could have looked in the eye and said: "your misery is entirely deserved".
So by dehumanizing (pun intended) humanity it is easy to say such things, but not when you look at humanity as what it is - individuals. "Humanity" is just a word. A human is not.

If you read the source material closely it is rich in capability but exceedingly poor in compassion.

While it is possible to appreciate the technical marvel of the helicopter leaving you to die of thirst in the desert, the most important thing is (I should think) that it is leaving.

Anyway, as this is merely a theoretical discussion of an alleged breakaway civilization, I cannot really get too angry about it, but if I really did believe that it was somehow true I would indeed be furious.

Cheers!!

BT

a reply to: beetee

nicely said there beetee.

One small life is so very important.

a reply to: beetee

You, Me, or We could solve that starving kids problems any moment we like by our seemingly magically advanced technology and money, nevermind the RK'ers. There are practical reasons why we don't I suppose.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Well, I agree we can all do a little. And maybe many of us do a little.
But we have no "magic" technology. I don't at least.

So though your point is valid, that we probably should and each do more than we currently do, it doesn't really absolve the RK'ers of their decision of withholding technology which, I might add, is rightfully the property of everyone. At least, according to the "source material".

If I had a something that could potentially lead to a better life for millions, but kept it to myself, then it would be comparable.

Sadly, I don't.

But, in the spirit of your post, I would like take the opportunity to encourage everyone who has it in their power to help a fellow human in any way, to do it. It doesn't take much effort, really. And if you have capacity to do more, then do it. It is strangely rewarding.

I have found, through my own volunteer work, that there is really nothing as fulfilling as doing something for someone who need it and expecting nothing in return.

Wouldn't it be great if the people of ATS would start our very own "pass it on"? Spreading a wave of compassion. :-)

That would be something.

BT

a reply to: beetee

Im going to tell you something A said to me about why they dont help people on earth. They are forbidden from doing anything under threat of War from the Earth government. We are hostages to the Earth Gov and their slaves who toil away so they have money,power and wealth to rule over us all.

If they tried to make themselves known the Gov will exterminate the people they influenced directly.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: beetee

Yeah your right beetee, that would be cowardly to simply disappear into the cosmos and take the knowledge with you. Yet from memory the source material said there were problems dealing with earth governments which is why "A" said they were leaving. Political power squabbling.

Breakaway civilisations are one thing. Rk'ers (Re-learned Knowledge) is another thing.

So where would a group of RK'ers go in this world to simply develop what they know anew?

teh dark side of the Moon or under antartica or the Ocean near cthulus home. Or the Crypt of Shuwa...that could be a possibility if its real.