The Middle East...Is it time to Let it Burn ?

Keeping your noses out would be a good starting point..

But you wont..

Creating enemies both Abroad and at Home seems to be

all the USA has brung to the party for years now..

Very sad and shortsighted but sadly true..

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: sosobad

I have no problem with stopping all forms of financial aid anywhere.

And if a politician wants to pose next to a bunch of thugs, I say let the bastard STAY there and fight WITH them.

I agree with that but as for your mushroom cloud statement, America whether you like it or not helped create ISIS from all the destabilization it caused in the ME and funded them in Syria. You decimated the Iraqi army when you invaded and then are surprised that they can't fend off these animals, most of the new recruits probably joined up so they can feed their families. America has their fingers in this pie and should be held accountable for some of this. It is a case of clean up your mess.

Again, I have no disagreement with what you wrote.

America screwed things up there.

Clean up our mess? How? Our leadership will only make matters worse. Hell, Obama is asking congress for 500 million to give to the Syrian rebels, for heavens sake!

Any further involvement will only result in further loss of life, and no gain anywhere for anyone or any nation.

As a liberal and one who generally sympathizes with the hardships they go through over there (and here as well) I'm beginning to get quite exasperated over the middle east.

What's bugging me is that the peaceful Muslims have not done enough to curb the violent sects of their respective religions.
-Yes I know the West has it's own religious problems BUT NOTHING LIKE THIS!

All Muslims as a whole should feel shame at their lack of influencing peace withing their own religious parameters.

I was going to post a rant thread dealing with this subject of being frustrated at their daily blood-lettting so thanks op.

It's up to the peaceful ones to reign in the violent ones and that my friends is not happening.

Shame. And ya, I'm beginning to think ^&^ em.

s&f

a reply to: g146541

That's the thing though. The only thing that separates an average idiot from someone with their head on straight, is access to information. There are people out there who do not know, have not been exposed to the reality of what is going on, and the only way that will change is if people are prepared to let them know, and let them know what it means for them.

Furthermore, they need to be told what they can do about it!

And i had a dream as well,,,,

u know if Obama said something along these lines,,,

"as of this moment, the Uniteds States of America,,as a God fearing Nation,,
will no longer tolerate, the death, kidnapping,or tourture of any Christian person,or those of the faith, any faith.

Where ever ISIS goes,,we watch from above,,
where the leaders are, peek a boo we see u,, too.

And we will send American boots on the ground,, where ever they may be needed in this tiny world today.
because killing those,, who kill Christians,,, is our job."

might make people at least smile.

originally posted by: beezzer
Clean up our mess? How?

It was a mess long before we went over there. It will be a mess if we stay out of it. No matter how you slice it ... the people in Persia and the Middle East all hate each other and religion is at the root of a lot of their hate. That's why we should just let them pound the snot out of each other and figure it out for themselves.

a reply to: samsamm9

Study some history. That region has had instability since long before there was ever a US.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: sosobad

I have no problem with stopping all forms of financial aid anywhere.

And if a politician wants to pose next to a bunch of thugs, I say let the bastard STAY there and fight WITH them.

I agree with that but as for your mushroom cloud statement, America whether you like it or not helped create ISIS from all the destabilization it caused in the ME and funded them in Syria. You decimated the Iraqi army when you invaded and then are surprised that they can't fend off these animals, most of the new recruits probably joined up so they can feed their families. America has their fingers in this pie and should be held accountable for some of this. It is a case of clean up your mess.

Again, I have no disagreement with what you wrote.

America screwed things up there.

Clean up our mess? How? Our leadership will only make matters worse. Hell, Obama is asking congress for 500 million to give to the Syrian rebels, for heavens sake!

Any further involvement will only result in further loss of life, and no gain anywhere for anyone or any nation.

Airstrikes against ISIS rather than funding them would be a step in the right direction but that will never happen. As an American I want to ask you why the aren't your citizens out in the streets protesting and rioting? You commander in chief is going to spend your money to willingly sponsor these animals and not on the injured men and women coming back from these places that are maimed and killed?

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: samsamm9

originally posted by: khnum
Yes let it burn starting with Mecca and Medina the true places of origin for terrorists.

Do you think all Muslims are terrorists and monsters ?
If so, I guess you're the reason why extremist hate you and want your destruction. You're blindly hating and wish the death of all Muslims ... Men, women , children. Just wow.. The ignorance.

Nobody said they wanted anyone to be killed so chill on the hysterics.

Your quote

Let It Burn...

You obviously mean let it burn in a sea of rainbows and cotton candy farts. You are calling for an entire region of the earth to burn but want no one killed, how does that work?

If they are determined to burn it down, why do we have any responsibility to stop it? I don't see Americans anymore (well until Obama sent them back), only Sunni, Shias, and Kurds -- all Muslims of various stripes.

a reply to: canucks555

What's bugging me is that the peaceful Muslims have not done enough to curb the violent sects of their respective religions. -Yes I know the West has it's own religious problems BUT NOTHING LIKE THIS! All Muslims as a whole should feel shame at their lack of influencing peace withing their own religious parameters.

And how would they do that !?
It's kinda hard to stop armed extremist, armed with state of the art weaponry "Made in USA".

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: beezzer
Clean up our mess? How?

It was a mess long before we went over there. It will be a mess if we stay out of it. No matter how you slice it ... the people in Persia and the Middle East all hate each other and religion is at the root of a lot of their hate. That's why we should just let them pound the snot out of each other and figure it out for themselves.

Persia(Iran) hasn't attacked anyone in over 200 years and they were attacked by Iraq at the behest of America.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: samsamm9

Study some history. That region has had instability since long before there was ever a US.

Lol funny post.

I actually have a Masters in history. And my family is from the ME which I visited frequently.

Do you know your history ?
Where do you get your facts ? Fox News ?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Yes, well, we tried waging clandestine war along with the conventional ones everyone knows about, but every single time the press got their hands on some effort or other thanks to leakers, it was splashed all over the front page. So much for clandestine effort ...

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: sosobad

I have no problem with stopping all forms of financial aid anywhere.

And if a politician wants to pose next to a bunch of thugs, I say let the bastard STAY there and fight WITH them.

I agree with that but as for your mushroom cloud statement, America whether you like it or not helped create ISIS from all the destabilization it caused in the ME and funded them in Syria. You decimated the Iraqi army when you invaded and then are surprised that they can't fend off these animals, most of the new recruits probably joined up so they can feed their families. America has their fingers in this pie and should be held accountable for some of this. It is a case of clean up your mess.

Again, I have no disagreement with what you wrote.

America screwed things up there.

Clean up our mess? How? Our leadership will only make matters worse. Hell, Obama is asking congress for 500 million to give to the Syrian rebels, for heavens sake!

Any further involvement will only result in further loss of life, and no gain anywhere for anyone or any nation.

Airstrikes against ISIS rather than funding them would be a step in the right direction but that will never happen. As an American I want to ask you why the aren't your citizens out in the streets protesting and rioting? You commander in chief is going to spend your money to willingly sponsor these animals and not on the injured men and women coming back from these places that are maimed and killed?

Because Americans believe what they are told. And as long as the television works, the foodstamp card functions, and there is beer in the fridge, they could give a tinkers damn.

Americans have been conditioned to be afraid. Americans have been conditioned to believe that the leadership is always wise and always right.

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: beezzer
Clean up our mess? How?

It was a mess long before we went over there. It will be a mess if we stay out of it. No matter how you slice it ... the people in Persia and the Middle East all hate each other and religion is at the root of a lot of their hate. That's why we should just let them pound the snot out of each other and figure it out for themselves.

Persia(Iran) hasn't attacked anyone in over 200 years and they were attacked by Iraq at the behest of America.

please update your little book,,



Unless he's not considered Persian??

nice try.

originally posted by: samsamm9
a reply to: beezzer

They step out of line and attack a western country?

So they were right I guess. It's the western world against them.
M.E against the west. Good to know.

Oh, no, I see the light now. They should be perfectly free to attack and every nation they want, anytime they want, just because they feel it looked at them cross-eyed.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: sosobad

I have no problem with stopping all forms of financial aid anywhere.

And if a politician wants to pose next to a bunch of thugs, I say let the bastard STAY there and fight WITH them.

I agree with that but as for your mushroom cloud statement, America whether you like it or not helped create ISIS from all the destabilization it caused in the ME and funded them in Syria. You decimated the Iraqi army when you invaded and then are surprised that they can't fend off these animals, most of the new recruits probably joined up so they can feed their families. America has their fingers in this pie and should be held accountable for some of this. It is a case of clean up your mess.

Again, I have no disagreement with what you wrote.

America screwed things up there.

Clean up our mess? How? Our leadership will only make matters worse. Hell, Obama is asking congress for 500 million to give to the Syrian rebels, for heavens sake!

Any further involvement will only result in further loss of life, and no gain anywhere for anyone or any nation.

Airstrikes against ISIS rather than funding them would be a step in the right direction but that will never happen. As an American I want to ask you why the aren't your citizens out in the streets protesting and rioting? You commander in chief is going to spend your money to willingly sponsor these animals and not on the injured men and women coming back from these places that are maimed and killed?

Because Americans believe what they are told. And as long as the television works, the foodstamp card functions, and there is beer in the fridge, they could give a tinkers damn.

Americans have been conditioned to be afraid. Americans have been conditioned to believe that the leadership is always wise and always right.

I feel for people like you that can see that, I really do. Something will have to change not just in the US but the world over. I see it in my own country too, laziness and complacency, too worried about what the other person has rather than the future of their children's lives.

a reply to: sosobad

Then maybe they ought to stop with the mass executions.

a reply to: samsamm9

And how would they do that !?


So you freely admit that there are more bad apples than good ones?

imo the fact that the good apples cannot control the bad ones is weak and an embarrassment to the rest of the world.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: samsamm9
a reply to: beezzer

They step out of line and attack a western country?

So they were right I guess. It's the western world against them.
M.E against the west. Good to know.

Oh, no, I see the light now. They should be perfectly free to attack and every nation they want, anytime they want, just because they feel it looked at them cross-eyed.

How old are you ?
Care for an adult respectful discussion ?
If so grow up.

You seem to be simplistic in your point of view.