The Middle East...Is it time to Let it Burn ?

a reply to: khnum

What's next, are you gonna also quote ann coulter ?



Stop watching fox kid, it's bad for ya

You obviously have no notion of geopolitic or knowledge of history, and why there's conflicts in the world.
Your simplistic right wing hateful war mongering is just you being a parrot, you proved it by plagiarizing someone else's thought.

First get knowledge then try to understand it.

Why I'm arguing with a hateful right winger is a mystery ...

a reply to: canucks555


you say:

... Deal with your violent religious fanatical wack-jobs or your words and messages of understanding and peace are as worthless as those animals who pack the Iraq ditches with the bodies of the dead.

the total
Islamic demographic with over 50% being moderate/non Jihadists.... Will Never dictate to the radical, extremist elements to 'tone down their violence'... or they too will be targets from the radical that were called by Allah to engage in killing/jihad/chaos-mayhem-destruction...

the Western Pipe-Dream is that the 'majority' peaceful Muslims will correct the radical elements--- that's just western/a-hole reasoning at Its worst...




samsamm9... the whirrling dervish eh...I am onboard with that---being a Shamanic based ideology

a reply to: samsamm9

People like you were once in charge of my countries immigration with polyanna thoughts of humanitarianism and multiculturalism now thank God we have adults in charge that realise that illegal immigration is a national security issue our borders have been sealed,the 150 nutcases over there fighting for ISIS have had their passports cancelled and soon their citizenship and were only too happy now to deport any nutcase who wears a beard and a nightie preaching hate.I was once tolerant but the moderates have had 13 years now to wield some influence but no its still sectarian hatred and jihad.

a reply to: St Udio

You are correct.

They cannot deal with it. Other than say "Please understand that we have no control over our policy makers IE: ISIS

I wonder what a war would look like, not that I condone it, if both Libs and Cons from all countries put their feet down at the same time..

Poor little isis..

If one truly wishes to accept the reality of the situation, the US presence in Iraq did some good things, but all of those good things are now useless. They were for nothing. It will likely be like this even if we sent troops back again. Short of annexing Iraq or controlling it ad infinitum, there is nothing we can do. I think we all know why. Religious extremists. So yes, while it sounds callous, the best solution is to leave them up to their own devices, because we cannot change anything in the long run. For the short term sure we can...But what is the point? We could allow people to build lives around the changes we make, but then their lives will be turned upside down when we leave. It would be more humane to let them build their lives around what is occurring, because that gives them the best chance of being left alone by militants. Collaboration with the US, or buying into the US system in Iraq, will only bring retaliation after we leave.

How to keep peace in middle east ?

Answer : Ask Ottoman Empire .

Let ME burn ?

Fools not know the nature of fire indeed.

Like the piles buddy , it'll come to you .

originally posted by: 23432
How to keep peace in middle east ?

Answer : Ask Ottoman Empire .

Let ME burn ?

Fools not know the nature of fire indeed.

Like the piles buddy , it'll come to you .

So damned if we do and damned if we don't. We gonna get the piles (lol) either way sounds like.

originally posted by: canucks555

originally posted by: 23432
How to keep peace in middle east ?

Answer : Ask Ottoman Empire .

Let ME burn ?

Fools not know the nature of fire indeed.

Like the piles buddy , it'll come to you .

So damned if we do and damned if we don't. We gonna get the piles (lol) either way sounds like.

USA is the current superpower on earth with muslim population .

In 1776, John Adams published "Thoughts on Government," in which he praises the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a "sober inquirer after truth" alongside Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, and other thinkers.

In 1785, George Washington stated a willingness to hire "Mahometans," as well as people of any nation or religion, to work on his private estate at Mount Vernon if they were "good workmen."[36]

In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans.

In 1797, President John Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli, declaring the United States had no "character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen".


In his autobiography, published in 1791, Benjamin Franklin stated that he "did not disapprove" of a meeting place in Pennsylvania that was designed to accommodate preachers of all religions.
Franklin wrote that "even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service."[38]
Franklin also wrote an anti-slavery parody piece claiming to be translation of the response of a government official at Algiers to a 17th-century petition to banish slavery there; the piece develops the theme that Europeans are specially suited for enslavement on cultural and religious grounds, and that there would be practical problems with abolishing slavery in North Africa; this satirizes similar arguments that were then made about the enslavement of Blacks in North America


Thomas Jefferson defended religious freedom in America including those of Muslims. Jefferson explicitly mentioned Muslims when writing about the movement for religious freedom in Virginia.
In his autobiography Jefferson wrote "[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal.
Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.
' The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."[40] While President, Jefferson also participated in an iftar with the Ambassador of Tunisia in 1809.




My dollar in on the True American Spirit.


Don't fight fire with fire I say .

a reply to: whyamIhere

But, you can't assign blame to the average Americans just living their lives.

I never blamed the average American did I? The attack was because our government can't keep it's nose out of other people's business. Not to mention when you kill people in other nations that haven't attacked America you tend to get people pissed off and wanting some payback.

I am guessing you would not defend Israel either.

Why would I choose one terrorist nation over another? With all the attacks and all the spying that Israel has done against America I would question the patriotism of any American that supports Israel.

Isn't "doing nothing" akin to exactly what the OP is suggesting? Letting the ME burn?

-Are you people actually comfortable with the ISIS status quo?

Is there not a problem here?

-Or...are people too afraid of ISIS to get off the fence and say yeah, these wackos are a threat to everyone?

(They are a threat btw, not opinion, that's fact)

a reply to: St Udio

Who is fighting these Jihadists?

Muslims in Egypt

Muslims in Iraq

Muslims in Afghanistan

Muslims in Syria

Khadaffi was doing a fine job until the US helped overthrow him

So was Saddam

Wake up and smell the sh__ from your own backyard

a reply to: buster2010

When I said "you" I was speaking in general terms not you specifically.

Why would I choose one terrorist nation over another? With all the attacks and all the spying that Israel has done against America I would question the patriotism of any American that supports Israel.

Fair enough...I have no great love of Israel. They are quite capable of defending themselves.

originally posted by: canucks555
a reply to: St Udio

You are correct.

They cannot deal with it. Other than say "Please understand that we have no control over our policy makers IE: ISIS

I quite understand your viewpoint... but ISIS is not the Muslim/Islamic 'policy maker' i defer that honor to the One Which
Instructs Them; the Quran/Koran (helped in the present geopolitical sphere by the aid of Saudi Arabia who have a definite attraction and compatible worldview with extreme Muslims i.e. Wahabbists, ISIL, etc.


ISIS=extreme Jihadists are just a segment of the Islamic Spectrum of 'believers' /those who 'Submit'

...its pretty much like the full spectrum of Christian Denominations---some are Evangelical, others are Rapture-Tongues adherents, others are Catholics, +20 denominations-of-Protestants, but all are aligned under the 'Cross Symbol'

in Islam the Jihadists are (at this present time) on the Ascendancy & able to sway the 'silent majority' of peaceful Islam to step-to-the-side & do not thwart what Allah is setting-into-motion... with a Caliphate-& a Mahdi-& a symbolic beheading of the USA/and Israel which are both intent on the destruction of war focused Islam


peace my northern friend/neighbor

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: St Udio

Who is fighting these Jihadists?

Muslims in Egypt

Muslims in Iraq

Muslims in Afghanistan

Muslims in Syria

Khadaffi was doing a fine job until the US helped overthrow him

So was Saddam

Wake up and smell the sh__ from your own backyard

USA Proxy fighters & sub-contractors

useful idiots that were no longer 'useful' is what I see on the list you typed

thank you for the input

I am by no means a expert in foreign affairs but my opinion is that the area has always been in turmoil and will always be in turmoil no matter what you do.

I think we should just leave them alone to do govern themselves how they see fit.

It's a mess now because we have interfered for so long many feel we have an obligation to set right our meddling.
I don't think anything we do can or will make it better so probably just better to move out and let it progress naturally.

I would be nice to "save" oppressed people but you can't always do that. It will be terrible for many who want help and were depending on us to give it.

1. I think we should just move out of their area and stop interfering in their affairs.
2. Express to them using small words and make it VERY clear that we are done interfering and will stay out of their business but if they EVER strike at this country in a terrorist attack of any kind that there will be no "boots on the ground" there again but we will drop everything we own and bomb their country till there is nothing larger than baby goat left standing. AND there will be no rebuilding when we are done.

We'll leave you alone but if you screw with us you will cease to exist and whatever tribes are left can fight over the rubble.

We'll come in blow everything up and then leave....no justice, just revenge.

They will someday figure it out and come to some understanding or they will kill each other, my guess is the latter.

a reply to: St Udio

I was trying to point out that Muslims are the main folks fighting these Jihadists.

I would rather force them all to join us rather than extinction.
Not sure which one would have the better results but I think we are past wiping things out but try live with them.

I would rather we had something better to offer so no force was required.

originally posted by: khnum
Yes let it burn starting with Mecca and Medina the true places of origin for terrorists.

If only that was true. The true place of origin for Terrorists was Israel..

a reply to: whyamIhere

YES!

let it burn idk

but to think we can stop a war thats been going on long before we where a nation the middle east has been at war since the dawn of time there is no stopping it

atleast not with more war you canot stop war with war and u cannot stop a war in witch you do not understand in the first place