Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Bilk22


So again, commercial companies are involved?

Never forget that the US intelligence groups know more about every thing happening they ever let out. If it were a high jack, I believe they would know and would tell. Or at least some reactive force would be in play which would be noted.

IMO, Nothing big can be totally hidden in today's world.

reply to post by starfoxxx

What is sickening me is the incompetent Chinese, Vietnamese, and Malaysians that can't find this plane still.

10 countries, 3 dozen planes, and 40 ships are out there searching. Including Americans.
And searching satellite feeds. Past and present.

Since then, teams of searchers from Vietnam, China, Singapore, Indonesia, the United States, Thailand, Australia, the Philippines and New Zealand have been working alongside Malaysians to scour the Gulf of Thailand, part of the South China Sea that lies between several Southeast Asian countries.

The focus has now shifted to the Andaman Sea, near Thailand's border, after radar data indicated the plane may have turned around to head back to Kuala Lumpur.

www.cnn.com...

reply to post by starfoxxx


You better lump the Americans and Australians in there too. There is at least one (I've heard two) US Navy ships out there, as well as a couple of P-3 Orions from Japan, as well as several Australian AP-3s searching the area. They haven't found anything either.

For those talking about how they should have found it by now, this will give you an idea of what they're dealing with.

The expert says that the current SAR mission is similar to hunting for anti-shipping mines.

“Radar is a wide area search tool,” he says. “In this type of event, debris would typically be relatively small and floating low to the surface, making it very hard to "paint" with the radar. Additionally, floating debris has no Doppler speed relative to the surrounding ocean, so it would typically be filtered out by radar software intended to de-clutter the radar display. Turning off that feature would create a massive amount of clutter and sporadic returns, not adding much value.”

Electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) sensors are also of dubious help. This long after the crash – if, indeed, MH370 went down in the sea – most of the debris would be the same temperature of the water, making it undetectable by IR.

And while the South China Sea and Gulf of Thailand are smaller bodies of water than the South Atlantic, where Air France flight AF447 crashed in 2009, it is still a vast area – and presents unique challenges.

A vast fleet of small fishing boats ply the South China Sea and Gulf of Thailand. Most of these do not carry an Automatic Identification System (AIS) transponder, which is common on larger vessels. These fishing boats make for small, slow moving contacts.

Flightglobal

Zaphod58
reply to post by starfoxxx

 

You better lump the Americans and Australians in there too. There is at least one (I've heard two) US Navy ships out there, as well as a couple of P-3 Orions from Japan, as well as several Australian AP-3s searching the area. They haven't found anything either.

The majority of the rescue team consists of the Chinese, Vietnamese, and Malaysians.

They need to pull in more resources and double the rescue team, and get this thing found...

I have sympathy for the families, and no cost should be spared in finding the plane quickly...

It is not our backyard, the other countries need to STEP IT UP!!

reply to post by starfoxxx


you forgot about the at least other SIX incompetentcountries involved in the search including the USA, and Philippines, that can't find the aircraft.

i don't think incompetence has anything to do with the search

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Where did you get China Southern has a hub there? The airport at Nanming is the Guiyang Longdongbao Airport. Their hubs are located at Beijing Capital International Airport, Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport, Guangzhou Baiyan International Airport, and Urumqi Diwopu International Airport. Nanming isn't even one of their focus cities.

Did you bother to look at a map of China and where all these places are in relation to one another? Zunyi Xinzhou Airport, where China South has a hub, is in Nanming, Guiyang, Guizhou, China.

Not trying to be funny but we've had better luck finding Nessie, Bigfoot, slender man and all sorts of ET thingies but yet we can't find a single chair or wing from a giant plane on our beloved planet. Even with half the world looking for it.

Something is not right about this picture folks.

generik
reply to post by starfoxxx

 

you forgot about the at least other SIX incompetentcountries involved in the search including the USA, and Philippines, that can't find the aircraft.

i don't think incompetence has anything to do with the search

I find it incompetent to not DOUBLE the recovery mission now.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

So again, commercial companies are involved?

This is a quote from wiki

In 1994, the Chinese government opened the possibility foreign investments in its airlines;

China South is one of those airlines that the government has control over even if it looks like a public company. Besides, isn't quite a lot done in the name of national security and not just in China?

Edit: A funny thing happened when I tried to find Zunyi Xinzhou Airport on a map. Firefox crashed

starfoxxx

generik
reply to post by starfoxxx

 

you forgot about the at least other SIX incompetentcountries involved in the search including the USA, and Philippines, that can't find the aircraft.

i don't think incompetence has anything to do with the search

I find it incompetent to not DOUBLE the recovery mission now.

Why? It wont make anyone less dead if they find the debris today or next week.

There is a large, co-ordinated search of some the most advanced technology available out in the Gulf of Thailand right now. There are over 1,000 B-777 in service and everyone involved wants very much to find out what happened to this flight.

Zaphod58
reply to post by onefellswoop

 

And what does that have to do with it. It was near Malaysia and Vietnam where they're searching, and where the last contact was.

The plane has likely ended up quite some distance away from where last contact was made.

If it has ended up in China, or if the Chinese possess information that others don't, there would not necessarily be "someone who would have said something" by now.

reply to post by Bilk22


So they somehow avoided all radar contact, without running out of fuel, landed in Nanming, got everyone including commercial satellite companies that don't have ties to the government to shut up about the fact that the plane landed there. The Chinese are so powerful that everyone else just said "Oh, China has it, we'll pretend to search and hide that for them."

reply to post by starfoxxx


do you seriously doubt they have just about ship with search capabilities in the area involved in the search? i bet every aircraft anywhere near the area is also looking for any signs of a crash. as well as fishing craft and the like. there is only so much you can do to search. how can you double their efforts?

Not sure if this was posted earlier butttt..

Malaysian authorities said today that oil slicks found on the waters near Vietnam, that were thought to be the leading clue as to the whereabouts of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, actually came from a ship.

Oil slick NOT from plane

So, where does this leave us, in terms of possible explanations.

1. Plane did not dump fuel
2. Plane taxied to water level and soft landed and sank to ocean floor (then where are black box signals?)
3. Plane broke apart in air (not sure how) and scattered debris upon hard impact on water. Where are thousands of pieces of debris???

Alternative theories???

1. Vaporization from test weapon?
2. Fill in the blanks...

reply to post by Bilk22


What part of "satellite companies" are you not getting? Or are you just deliberately ignoring that portion of it, to twist things to what you want to say?

It is easy for people to just command 'find it'. It's a big area to search. They are not looking for a mountain out there, it's small pieces of material. Does your boss telling you to work faster really help?

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

So they somehow avoided all radar contact, without running out of fuel, landed in Nanming, got everyone including commercial satellite companies that don't have ties to the government to shut up about the fact that the plane landed there. The Chinese are so powerful that everyone else just said "Oh, China has it, we'll pretend to search and hide that for them."

Let's be real here. Fuel was not an issue in getting to where it was reported to have landed. Beijing is much farther and as you said, they also have a few hours of reserve and not merely enough to just get there. As for the satellite companies, as I said, a lot is done in the name of national security. Remember those Freescale personnel do work for the US government

Edit: Just to remind you, this is just a theory and it's valid as any until proven otherwise. I'd think my theory is a best case scenario as the people on board would be alive and not dead in the water.

Reports in media that satellites will now be used to broaden the search.

Reports that Cathay pacific flight to hong long reported spotting debris.

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