Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Bilk22


So now the flight originated in China? What? You've gone so far off course, I can't even see where you are anymore, let alone what your point is.

Listen carefully. The flight was planned to go in a straight line from Malaysia, to Beijing. That included flying directly over Vietnam. That is how the fuel was loaded. You've thrown out that they flew around Vietnam, dodged the radar in the Philippines, and flew up into China with no one noticing. So somehow, if fuel is not an issue, that has to be almost the same distance as a straight line course. How is that even remotely possible?

What I find curious about the whole incident.. is the way the media seems to be focusing on the two passengers with fake passports.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

So now the flight originated in China? What?

Listen carefully. The flight was planned to go in a straight line from Malaysia, to Beijing. That included flying directly over Vietnam. That is how the fuel was loaded. You've thrown out that they flew around Vietnam, dodged the radar in the Philippines, and flew up into China with no one noticing. So somehow, if fuel is not an issue, that has to be almost the same distance as a straight line course. How is that even remotely possible?

You really should look at a map.

I didn't calculate the distances. Not worth the effort. Graphics tell the story on that issue.

reply to post by vivid1975


It's all that there is for them TO focus on right now.

Zaphod58
reply to post by vivid1975

 

It's all that there is for them TO focus on right now.

Yep. After complaining about the length of the search time and not getting results, they have to return to passports.

reply to post by Zaphod58

 

They'd have to dump some if they had too much fuel before they could land, right?

As it turns out there's actually an obscure group that's been claiming responsibility, the Chinese Martyr's Brigade.

Obscure Group From Northwestern China, Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade, Claims Responsibility For Missing Malaysia Airline Flight MH370; Authorities Skeptical Of Claim

There's talk its related to the Chinese train incident.

Despite Iranian link, Chinese netizens think MUSLIM UIGHUR SEPARATISTS behind missing MH370

Also, relatives of the passengers say they can hear cell phones ringing when they call them.

Mobile Phones of Missing Malaysia Airlines Passengers Ring

You would think the telecommunications companies would be able to triangulate their location from that.

reply to post by Bilk22


Yes, I'm still standing by the fuel issue. Not to mention all the radars in the area that would have detected an unknown contact originating in the area that the commercial flight disappeared from. But apparently, China has the ability to silence everyone in that part of the world.

Depending on the radars in question, and where they are (not even counting ship based radars) they would have to zig-zag all over the area dodging radars to keep out of sight, or fly low. The chances of not one radar seeing and reporting them are so slim that it's not even funny.

And the chances of Vietnam letting Chinese fighters fly through their airspace, just because they're escorting a civilian plane is laughable. China and Vietnam are not friendly to each other, and no country that isn't closely allied with another is going to allow their military planes to fly through their airspace like that.

reply to post by reject


They'd only have to dump fuel if they were landing somewhere really close and hadn't burned enough to get the weight down to below the maximum landing weight.

I'm skeptical of the claim that they did it. That claim didn't come in until almost two full days later. Why so long? It's almost like they saw the incident and saw a way to take advantage of it.

Ivar_Karlsen

NoRulesAllowed(Mainly: The fact that the two joysticks are not "synced" so the both pilots do not even know what the other does, and the ABSURD events happening that the aircraft voiced the stall warning when the pilot(s) did the right thing, trying to descend....while the stall warning turned off when they kept trying to ascend while already being in a deep stall at 38.000ft. I would really like to know whether those significant design flaws have been corrected or whether airbus, here the 777 in particular STILL could cause such confusing messages/actions in a stall situation)

ty!

The Boeing 777 have interconnected Control yokes, not sidestics as the Airbus FBW airplanes, move one and the other one moves the same way.

it requires 5,600 feet for landing

Good Luck With that.

Wow I must've been out of it earlier...of course the 777 is a Boeing. As for AIRBUS after the AF 447 accident, did they correct some of those issues? ("Design Flaws" might not be the right word, but you know what I mean).

reply to post by NoRulesAllowed


They corrected the ones that were directly related to the aircraft itself, like the pitot tube issue, with icing. It turned out that the Thales tubes had a tendency to ice up, where others wouldn't.

Zaphod58
reply to post by da pickles

 

They've been searching a roughly 80 square mile area until now, and according to the article it's going up to 100. Which is probably why they haven't found it yet.

Lend any credence to the sighting of debris off the coast of Vung Tau? (That was a fun city in the late 60's and early 70's)

Its another classic case of the magicians hand showing you one thing as the other does something else..

They know full well what's happened to that plane..but instead are focusing on 2 passports to emphasise the terror propaganda to start war with Iran.

If the cabal can bump off 3000 of their own countrymen in 9/11, they won't bat an eyelid at a plane full.

reply to post by rockflier


It may. It's hard to keep up with it at times, with this internet connection.

A terrorist group has taken responsibility for the downing of the plane.

Anyone else hear this?

Some rogue Chinese group no one has heard of.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Bilk22

 

Yes, I'm still standing by the fuel issue. Not to mention all the radars in the area that would have detected an unknown contact originating in the area that the commercial flight disappeared from. But apparently, China has the ability to silence everyone in that part of the world.

Depending on the radars in question, and where they are (not even counting ship based radars) they would have to zig-zag all over the area dodging radars to keep out of sight, or fly low. The chances of not one radar seeing and reporting them are so slim that it's not even funny.

And the chances of Vietnam letting Chinese fighters fly through their airspace, just because they're escorting a civilian plane is laughable. China and Vietnam are not friendly to each other, and no country that isn't closely allied with another is going to allow their military planes to fly through their airspace like that.

What ship base radars would they have to dodge? What radar would they have to dodge period, over open water? You said yourself that Primary would only show a blob and not identify anything other than possibly speed and direction. We know the transponder was inactive just after it went into a "dark zone" or what ever it's called. Coincidence? If the Chinese military were escorting it, who would question it? And if China informed everyone of what was happening who would question it?

OK so we can rule out any issues about not enough fuel to achieve what I illustrated on the map.




Edit: I want to add that Malaysian Air didn't report this plane missing for hours, which further supports my theory, unless of course you have an explanation for that too.

A group that calls itself the Chinese Martyrs' Brigade has claimed responsibility for crashing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which has remained missing after losing contact with ground control at 1:20am on Saturday.

source:

www.wantchinatimes.com...

I'll say it again since it's not even being considered. Egypt Air 990. Suicidal pilot turns off transponders, radios, engines and dives into ocean.

reject
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

They'd have to dump some if they had too much fuel before they could land, right?

As it turns out there's actually an obscure group that's been claiming responsibility, the Chinese Martyr's Brigade.

Obscure Group From Northwestern China, Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade, Claims Responsibility For Missing Malaysia Airline Flight MH370; Authorities Skeptical Of Claim

There's talk its related to the Chinese train incident.

Despite Iranian link, Chinese netizens think MUSLIM UIGHUR SEPARATISTS behind missing MH370

Also, relatives of the passengers say they can hear cell phones ringing when they call them.

Mobile Phones of Missing Malaysia Airlines Passengers Ring

You would think the telecommunications companies would be able to triangulate their location from that.

reject
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

They'd have to dump some if they had too much fuel before they could land, right?

As it turns out there's actually an obscure group that's been claiming responsibility, the Chinese Martyr's Brigade.

Obscure Group From Northwestern China, Chinese Martyrs’ Brigade, Claims Responsibility For Missing Malaysia Airline Flight MH370; Authorities Skeptical Of Claim

There's talk its related to the Chinese train incident.

Despite Iranian link, Chinese netizens think MUSLIM UIGHUR SEPARATISTS behind missing MH370

Also, relatives of the passengers say they can hear cell phones ringing when they call them.

Mobile Phones of Missing Malaysia Airlines Passengers Ring

You would think the telecommunications companies would be able to triangulate their location from that.

I call bull s**t*.

You kill one of our clan, we will kill 100 of you as pay back.

Very cliché.

Just throwing this out there, a quick summary of what we know so far:

• The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing

• 16:41, plane leaves Kuala Lumpur

• 17:30, radio contact lost

• 22:30, expected arrival time

• 239 passengers including crew on board

• Travelling at approximately 35,000 feet when it disappeared

• No mayday warnings nor distress signals were reported

• Disappearance was only reported 6 and half hours after

• Disappeared over the South China Sea, south of Vietnam’s Ca Mau peninsula

• Passengers included 153 Chinese, 38 Malaysians, 1 Russian, 6 Australians, 1 Taiwanese, 2 Ukrainians, 5 Indians, 1 Austrian (Christian Kozel - STOLEN PASSPORT), 1 Italian (Luigi Maraldi - STOLEN PASSPORT), 3 Americans, 7 Indonesians, 1 Dutch, 2 New Zealanders, 4 French

• Two passengers used stolen passports belonging to a Italian and Austrian nationals

• The passengers with the stolen passports bought the tickets together – the two ticket numbers are contiguous, indicating they were issued together

• Passengers with stolen passports were reported to have looked like Mario Balotelli (CCTV footage) – Not “Asian looking”

• Tickets were booked by an Iranian contact only known as “Mr Ali” who was looking for cheap tickets to Europe. The travel agent believes Mr Ali is not linked to terrorism (known for 3 years as a long-term business partner) and Mr Ali did not specifically select these tickets himself, he simply wanted a quick, cheap route to Europe

• Five people checked in but failed to board the plane

• 12 and 16 km long oil slick found – but tests have shown it was a type of oil used by ships in the cargo-heavy sea

• 9 countries are involved in the search – 46 ships and 34 planes

• Passengers included 153 Chinese, 38 Malaysians, 1 Russian, 6 Australians, 1 Taiwanese, 2 Ukrainians, 5 Indians, 1 Austrian (Christian Kozel), 1 Italian (Luigi Maraldi), 3 Americans, 7 Indonesians, 1 Dutch, 2 New Zealand, 4 French

• No wreckage has been found, despite potential debris being discovered

• Pilot had more than 18,000 hours of experience, has been employed since 1981

• Weather conditions were good

• The same Boeing 777-200 was involved in an accident back in 2012 where the wingtips was clipped, but was repaired and certified as safe

• Reports of a possible raft were false

• The FBI and Interpol are investigating the possibility of a terrorist attack – but the stolen passports could be due to illegal migration. Terrorist groups have the tendency to take responsibility for attacks immediately after its been done

• It’s been reported that a relative of a passenger successfully made a phone call to one of the passengers and connected but no one answered (Filmed on live TV in Beijing). Others have also been able to do the same

• Shares in the firm are down by 30%, Malaysian Airlines are suffering competition from of low cost carriers

• In 2013, Malaysian Airline System, the firm that operates Malaysia Airlines, reported a loss of 1.17bn ringgit ($360m) compared with a 432m ringgit loss in 2012.

• The Boeing 777 It is regarded as one of the world's safest and most popular jets

• Fitted with ASD-B flight transponder, which unlike a GPS found in a car, broadcasts its location by sending information back to air traffic control EVERY second

• The transponder on the plane is also fitted with an INDESTRUCTIBLE black box recorder and a beacon to continue transmitting its location should the aircraft land in water

reply to post by Bilk22


There are six countries laying claim to the Spratly Islands, all of which have ships in the area. There are patrol vessels off the coasts of Vietnam, and over near Brunei, there are ships such as the Pinckney doing training in the area. There is also the chance of someone picking up the plane and scrambling interceptors to identify it.

Yes, Primary won't tell them that it's the Malaysian 777, but don't you think they're smart enough to trace the course it appeared on, and figure out that "Oh my god, that plane came from the area that the Malaysian flight is missing from!", and then look at a flight schedule, and see that no other flights would be taking that flight path? Or are they not smart enough to even start to put it together.

Jagger
• The transponder on the plane is also fitted with an INDESTRUCTIBLE black box recorder and a beacon to continue transmitting its location should the aircraft land in water.

Since when? Nothing is indestructible, not even the black boxes. A number of them have been destroyed in crashes prior to this one.