Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

Its all very convenient. Black boxes will never be recovered because of the movement of debris and time lapse since the craft went down. If it did!
So we will never likely know the truth. So speculation abound!
I suspected Hyjack of some kind and I still do because of the logistics of this incident and because they claim the plane went down in
the worst place possible (depending who you are in this game).
It all appears like a well directed script.
The plane happens to turn as it did and that sets it on a course to the worst spot possible in the region that happens to guarantee a
delay in finding wreckage and never finding the black boxes.
Accident maybe...but not bloody likely given the shinanigans of this extraordinary affair!
It appears that a mission was successful in some way to someone.
RIP victims and my condolences to the families.

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now they are saying some families didn't even get the text message that it was definite that their family members are dead, some of them saw it on the tv first....

whatnext21
This happened to today with another flight from Kuala Lumpur to China, not sure of the make of the airplane or if the issue is related?

RSOE EDIS

A Malaysia Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur to Incheon Airport in Seoul was forced to make an emergency landing in Hong Kong last night after an electricity generator failed. Flight MH066 took off from the Malaysian capital at 11.37pm on Sunday and landed at Hong Kong airport at 2.53am Monday morning. Hong Kong's Civil Aviation Department confirmed the aircraft had experienced problems with its generator. A statement from Malaysia Airlines said: "Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH066 from Kuala Lumpur to Incheon on 23 March 2014 was diverted to Hong Kong due to an inoperative aircraft generator which supplies normal electrical power. "However electrical power continued to be supplied by the auxiliary power unit. The aircraft was then diverted to Hong Kong for rectification and landed uneventfully. "All 271 passengers from MH066 have been transferred on other carriers. "The return flight MH067 from Incheon to Kuala Lumpur is cancelled and passengers have been transferred on other carriers as well as subsequent Malaysia Airlines flight to Kuala Lumpur."

edit on 3/24/2014 by whatnext21 because: (no reason given)

That was an Airbus A330-300.

RP2SticksOfDynamite
Its all very convenient. Black boxes will never be recovered because of the movement of debris and time lapse since the craft went down. If it did!
So we will never likely know the truth. So speculation abound!
.....

Well it's not over till the fat lady sings, there may still be a blackbox recovered.

DrHammondStoat

RP2SticksOfDynamite
Its all very convenient. Black boxes will never be recovered because of the movement of debris and time lapse since the craft went down. If it did!
So we will never likely know the truth. So speculation abound!
.....

Well it's not over till the fat lady sings, there may still be a blackbox recovered.

Doubt they will admit it even if they find it!

How many days drift from a crash location that is not known? Even with the best calculations you could be 10-50 sq miles or more off.

Also the depths in the IO are a problem.

So I think you can say KGB to the black box evidence either way!

Are you kidding me? Malaysia used text messaging to tell the families that their loved ones were dead?

How can they even be sure? Wasn't there just a recent story of a guy surviving alone out in the ocean for nearly a year? How can they be positive there are absolutely no survivors? You would think they would have learned a thing or two about assumptions by this point.

Sadly, the 'end' of many families lives as they knew it...all deduced from satellite images as murky as ever. Very cold and tacky way to let the families hear first.
I wonder if they'll ever get to the possible debris, here on these murky images above the water...maybe only a few hundred miles from where they are now. Who knows...

I can't wait to find out what actually happened in another 10 years or so.

Did they explain why its showing fly time for 7 hrs' I see they explained the route part....

Prayers for peace...for all of the departeds' loved ones.

Possible scenario:

So the plane flying an hour in, everything fine....then there is an emergency, plane turns right back to land asap, were assuming an hour back to nearest land, but as turned back flying south the passengers and crew go unconscious at some point and instead of landing the plane is flying on auto pilot til the fuel runs out and crashes into the oceans?


Does anyone know if the plane can auto pilot at 12,000 ft altitude.....that would affect the time frame but makes me wonder about the 7 hrs flight time

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So true. It's not what the officials said--it's how and when they said it; it's how many times news was announced (or leaked--at this point, it doesn't matter by whom) and retracted. At a time when trust is needed the most, it has been undermined.

I guess the real mystery is just beginning.

The odd part IMO, which if aircraft data if ever recovered might answer, is that several theories fit well except for that one piece of what would seem logical data or action that is missing, When it's 99% but the 1% missing is something that just doesn't make sense to not be there is what makes it such a strange event. I suppose it is also what fuels belief in a conspiracy.

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I found it strange ever since they announced the hourly handshakes that they only used the last one when trying to determine the northern and southern corridors. The term 'handshake' in communication protocols implies a low level 2-way communication. At its most basic, one system sends a request to another system asking the other system to acknowledge it's still there and receiving. The other system sends an acknowledgement back.

Distance can be calculated based on the round trip time for the signals. This is the hypotenuse of the triangle. Knowing the height and position of the satellite you can use trigonometry to determine the length of the base of the triangle. That gives you a curve where the radius is that ground distance and the center of the circle is straight down from the satellite. This is approximate, since the altitude of the plane would mean it's not on the earth's surface, the earth's surface is curved, etc. But basically this gives you the curve of the northern and southern corridors they originally showed.

But they had hourly handshakes, so they could have repeated this for each of the hourly handshakes at the same time they did this for the last handshake. I would expect that would have given much better estimates than just doing it for the last point. They could have calculated approximate possible flight paths, not just possible end points. Again, it wouldn't account for all possible variables (such as course changes), but you could get better approximations than just from one time point.

No doppler shifts required, you just need to know the satellite position and the time for each round-trip handshake and you could calculate this with any scientific calculator or even with trigonometry tables by hand. Use a compass and a good map or globe to draw each curve and you're there.

It turns out that they claim to have also been able to tell the angle at which the satellite received the signals (according to the Washington Post 4 days ago). It's not quite clear exactly what they mean. If they mean the angle along each curve, that would give you actual points on each curve for each hourly handshake. But they probably just mean the angle between the hypotenuse and the height of each triangle, which would only slight improve accuracy of the curves.

It's not clear to me what they can calculate from the doppler shift other than relative speed and whether the distance from the satellite was increasing or decreasing. Maybe they are just trying to make it sound like they did complex calculations so that more people won't realize they could have just used basic trig.

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I'm not questioning the data itself, rather the way it's being presented to the masses & the timing of it all!!!

I think some data is timely, some is not.

You can see how part of that happens. Speculation by the news media for air time material and the ever present monetary angle.

Who is more responsible and stands to lose if a) then plane failed by design, the maintenance was poor, a pilot just death wish or an airport has a history of flying questionable passengers.

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Maybe this helped. I think I posted this days ago but in case I didn't

There are three types of coverage related to each Inmarsat satellite.[19]

Global beam coverage
Each satellite is equipped with a single global beam that covers up to one-third of the Earth's surface, apart from the poles. Overall, global beam coverage extends from latitudes of −82 to +82 degrees regardless of longitude.

Regional spot beam coverage
Each regional beam covers a fraction of the area covered by a global beam, but collectively all of the regional beams offer virtually the same coverage as the global beams. Use of regional beams allow user terminals (also called mobile earth stations) to operate with significantly smaller antennae. Regional beams were introduced with the I-3 satellites. Each I-3 satellite provides four to six spot beams; each I-4 satellite provides 19 regional beams.

Narrow spot beam coverage
Narrow beams are offered by the three Inmarsat-4 satellites. Narrow beams vary in size, tend to be several hundred kilometers across. The narrow beams, while much smaller than the global or regional beams, are far more numerous and hence offer the same global coverage. Narrow spot beams allow yet smaller antennas and much higher data rates. They form the backbone of Inmarsat's handheld (GSPS) and broadband services (BGAN). This coverage was introduced with the I-4 satellites. Each I-4 satellite provides around 200 narrow spot beams.

Link

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SwiftBroadband (SB): An aeronautical service, SwiftBroadband is based on BGAN technology and offers similar services. SB terminals are specifically designed for use aboard commercial, private, and military aircraft.

Inmarsat gave the details to Malaysia on Sunday, according to reports.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Inmarsat has told the BBC it gave the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) the new data on Sunday - stressing it needed to be checked before it was made public.

The firm said its latest calculation involved a large amount of data analysis, focusing on a number of factors including the movements of other aircraft.

They compared the satellite data from those flights with flight MH370 and were able to work out it went south.

This is cutting-edge modelling, never tried before. It uses the Doppler effect - which is what makes a police siren sound different from different points.

They had it reviewed by other scientists before handing it over.

As far as they can tell, the plane was flying at cruising height, above 30,000ft. They found no evidence of fluctuating heights being reported.

This is it now - they cannot pinpoint the position any further. They handed this data over on Sunday morning.

It involved an entirely new way of modelling which is why the analysis took some time, the firm said.

Inmarsat senior vice-president Chris McLaughlin said the firm had studied electronic "pings" - or bursts of data - which the plane had sent to one of its satellites.

He told the BBC: "We have been dealing with a totally new area. We've been trying to help an investigation based on a single signal once an hour from an aircraft that didn't include any GPS data, any time and distance information.

"So this really was a bit of a shot in the dark and it's to the credit of our scientific team that they came up and managed to model this."

Mr McLaughlin continued: "They managed to find a way in which to say just a single ping can be used to say the plane was both powered up and travelling, and then by a process of elimination - comparing it to other known flights - establish that it went south."

A spokeswoman for the AAIB said it could not comment on the investigation, but confirmed: "As set out by the Malaysian prime minister, we have been working with the UK company Inmarsat, using satellite data to determine the area on which to focus the search."

Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall, from the University of Southampton, told the BBC: "The algorithms and the techniques [Inmarsat] have applied to try and locate - to within a certain area - where the last transmission was made is really quite phenomenal - but also quite tragic because it does show this plane was heading to an open area of ocean."

He continued: "They've probably crammed almost a year's worth of research into maybe a couple of weeks, so it's not a routine calculation they would ever, ever make.

"They've been looking at all the signals they have, all the recordings they have, and processing that many times over to try and pinpoint where the plane's signal came from. Technologically it's really quite astounding."

'Deep sadness'
But Philip Baum, editor of Aviation Security International Magazine, said the mystery of the missing Boeing 777 jet had not been solved.

"We still believe there was a deliberate act that took place on board the flight deck inside the cockpit that resulted in the aircraft turning and heading south," he said.

"So until we find the black box we're really not going to know anything more."

Mr Razak told a news conference in Kuala Lumpur that work by the AAIB and Inmarsat had revealed MH370's last position was in the ocean west of Perth, Australia.

"This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that - according to this new data - flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," he said.

He added that for the relatives of those on board, "the past few weeks have been heartbreaking. I know this news must be harder still".

Malaysia Airlines said all relatives of those on board had been informed "face-to-face by our top management", as well as by text message.

Boeing said in a statement: "Our thoughts and deepest sympathies continue to be with the families and loved ones of those aboard."

British Royal Navy ship HMS Echo is due to arrive in the area on Tuesday to help with the search.

I'm sorry for the families to hear that Malaysia is officially announcing that the flight crashed in the Indian Ocean.

That sure leaves some unanswered questions. I haven't seen a good explanation (that doesn't include foul play) of how an airliner heads northeast from Kuala Lumpur towards Beijing, makes an unexpected turn to go west-northwest (possibly to try to make an emergency landing due to some on-board catastrophe and possibly programmed on autopilot) but then winds up allegedly crashing into the Indian Ocean west-southwest of Perth, Australia.


SOURCE

Couple questions...

Does this Data show that it's in the Ocean, or that that's the last place it was tracked to?

& can the pings be turned off like the rest of the communication systems?


Peace MH370 xxx

Ideally, a body to autopsy would be great. I for one would like to know what's in the lung tissue of the passengers; chemicals or seawater.

So early on news organizations here in the U.S said the plane was at the bottom of the Indian ocean and that theory appears to be correct. Where did that come from? Pentagon? CIA sources? I honestly forget, but they had the correct info early on.

I still lean towards this as a hijacking. Pilots under duress. Maybe a binary chemical shoe bomb to subdue EVERYONE. If plane would have landed something lethal for first responders - dying pilot's take it as far away from land as possible.